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Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by navy_vet_stg3
Anyone who kills innocents is not a Muslim so anyone who you just named was not a muslim. You know how many people the christians have killed in Rwanda? 800,000
800,000 is a whole lot bigger number than all the muslim terrorists put together. That is only one conflict. Not to mention the killings by hitler.
Manners have eluded you, have they not?
Your mother could have tried a little harder in convincing you that speaking down to people does not make you any better than they are.
Another common mistake you seem to make frequently.
I shall not fret though as arguing with you is rather pointless.
Have a good day.
Originally posted by Zamini
reply to post by Misoir
Also just because you disagree with someone else and their views does not make them ignorant, rather that makes you seem like the ignorant one.
Alright, you have a big mouth, lets deny ignorance together then shall we. I warn you though, no running is allowed.
1- Your OP is based more on an emotionally written blog post(by someone who is most likely a nut case scared of the Muslim boogyman).
2- Your OP implies that this is a bother to other students.
3- Your OP implies that other students are not allowed into the cafeteria and they are forced to stay in class rooms until praying is done.
4- You HAVE NOT read the document yourself, you did NOT think it through before you posted this thread.
And last but not least, the thing that makes me want to just point and laugh at you:
5- You are trying to incite fear amongst Christians towards Muslims.
But anyways, see those 5 points there? That was just the start, lets break it down shall we?
Seeing as how you've posted a bit of the blog post and made it look like such a big issue, lets take the part from the document you so smugly hint to:
The school is providing a venue for the Muslim student´s to have prayers at school on Fridays.
An Imam from the neighbouring mosque comes to our school and conducts the prayers.
Prior to this, students signed out early on Friday afternoons to go to mosque. By staying at school,
valuable instructional time is saved for our students.
Underlined 1: This happens one time a week, not 5, not 10, not 20. ONE.
Underlined 2: This decision was made to keep students in the school, to,
Underlined 3: save the students time.
Lets continue: The students are excused from their classes because they have to pray(freedom of religion), before, they used to have to leave the school premises to pray, now they stay on the school premises to pray. The other students used to sit through their own classes when the Muslim students went to pray, so nothing has changed here, whereas you are implying they are KEPT in classrooms and not let out because others are praying.
Now, if ONLY you had an idea of how much you put your own foot in your mouth I'd be smiling for a week. (going to do so regardless)
You people continuously badger the Muslims as if they are evil and plotting behind closed doors to take over the Christian world. When this article you post, is a shining beacon, of how well integrated Muslims can be.
The school board can now easily observe the Friday prayers, whereas before they couldn't. Less mystery, less fear. However, you can never count out the stupid people. Enter blog poster and the gullible fool who tries to make this big on ATS
(using a Wilders picture in his signature, by god man do you know how stupid it makes you look to have a picture of that guy in your signature? I mean, it must make you a hero towards all these "American Christian Muslim haters"...you kind of prove my point that you people have a target audience...ATS mods should be very wary of this(once again, hopefully one day they will realize).)
Why is a Canadian school bringing in an Imam to lead prayer on Friday for Muslim boys while keeping all the other students out of the cafeteria at that time and in their classes?
It seems that you did not research the document you posted yourself. Ignorance denied.
NEXT PLEASE.
And so what if it was made to keep students in school, why are they holding these prayers within a public school? It can only be acceptable if students of any other religious affiliation were afforded these same opportunities. If they are then I would close this case.
Shabbat is observed from a few minutes before sunset on Friday evening until a few minutes after the appearance of three stars in the sky[1] on Saturday night.
So separating themselves from the rest of the class for their own group prayer is somehow integrated?
If they were truly integrated these students would be with the rest of the students at this time rather than separated.
Yes because we obviously know that there is no possibility of the school faculty that is assinged to observe these prayers are going to raise a red flag if something questionable is said.
Geert Wilders is first of all not even American so most Americans do not know who he is.
Second he is only being smeared because of his speaking out against what he sees as the threats coming from Islam, why should he be treated horribly for bringing up a potentially important issue?
And three why should the mods be wary of people peacefully speaking their mind on ATS? I have just as much right to speak within T&C as you do. If that is something you find intolerable I suggest you ignore my posts.
I was making reference to the many cases of Christian youths trying to organize group prayers on school grounds either before school, at recess/lunch, or after school. These small prayer groups got banned at most public schools.
Originally posted by Zamini
reply to post by Misoir
Had enough I suppose.
Nothing is coming of our back-and-forth so why bother continuing it? You completely disagree with me and I completely disagree with you. We both argued our points so let's leave it at that.
Originally posted by TheButcher23
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
reply to post by navy_vet_stg3
Anyone who kills innocents is not a Muslim so anyone who you just named was not a muslim. You know how many people the christians have killed in Rwanda? 800,000
800,000 is a whole lot bigger number than all the muslim terrorists put together. That is only one conflict. Not to mention the killings by hitler.
You are for ONCE correct and that is why I hate all religions not just Islam. I dislike Jews, Christians and Catholics, Jane, Hindu and Buddhist I am equally harsh to all!!!!!!
Originally posted by Misoir
When their families moved here to the West from overseas they knew how the system was. Any immigrant with an ounce of respect for the host nation would neither expect to be treated any different than the natives nor expect their children to be treated any different. They came here knowing that we have Saturday and Sunday as our days off from work and school, this is not new to them. Any decent human being would assimilate into that rather than try and separate themselves from it.
No school in the west, unless they are strictly schools for Muslim students, should ever have special days off for any people because of their religion. 'But the Christians have it!' yeah the Christians do have a day off here and you know why? Because this is the Western world, we are a civilization built off of Christianity in all forms. If Muslims are so desperate to have a special day off I hear there are around 2 dozen or so countries that can offer them such leisure’s.edit on 7/1/2011 by Misoir because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by THE_PROFESSIONAL
Anyone who kills innocents is not a Muslim so anyone who you just named was not a muslim. You know how many people the christians have killed in Rwanda? 800,000
Originally posted by redrose123
women aren't allowed to share the same restrooms even in their own homes .
Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL
When their families moved here to the West from overseas they knew how the system was. Any immigrant with an ounce of respect for the host nation would neither expect to be treated any different than the natives nor expect their children to be treated any different. They came here knowing that we have Saturday and Sunday as our days off from work and school, this is not new to them. Any decent human being would assimilate into that rather than try and separate themselves from it. countries that can offer them such leisure’s.edit on 7/1/2011 by Misoir because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Misoir
reply to post by THE_PROFESSIONAL
... and? I do not care if Muslims accounted for 50% of the population here in the West my statement still stands. The West is the cradle of Western civilization which has been built on its first Pagan, then Christian, and since the 18th century, Enlightenment roots. Why should we change anything for immigrants who came here voluntarily to our civilization? They live here it is only respectful to assimilate into the new culture which means do not try and make anyone else change their way of life just for them.edit on 7/1/2011 by Misoir because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Misoir
The West is the cradle of Western civilization which has been built on its first Pagan, then Christian, and since the 18th century, Enlightenment roots. Why should we change anything for immigrants who came here voluntarily to our civilization?
They live here it is only respectful to assimilate into the new culture which means do not try and make anyone else change their way of life just for them.