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More than one-quarter don’t know who US gained independence from

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posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 07:36 AM
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Every Fourth of July, Americans gather to celebrate the country's declaration of independence from ... um, what country was that again?


www.rawstory.com...
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Interesting isnt it? This is probably why people cant "wake up". People have no idea what this country was founded on. These people have no understanding of the amount of blood that was spilled for the freedom we have. And as they wave their American flag, watch the fireworks and grill out some hot dogs, they will have absolutely no idea why they are standing there. The day has become a glorified excuse to take off work and get drunk.



This 4th of July remember where this country came from. Remember those that lost their lives so that you may be free and understand that that freedom comes with a price. If you were born in this country you are an American. If you came here from another country and are a citizien then you are an American. Take pride in it.




posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 07:41 AM
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We fought the Great Independant War from the Republicans, because they made Jesus steal the Easter Bunny and no-one got an ipod that Christmas.

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Sorry, had to get that one in there. So true (S+F) about people not looking past the open pit bbq to what we are supposed to be honoring.
I, for one, will always be proud, never ashamed to salute the flag and give it the respect that it is due.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 07:45 AM
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Depends on how you look at it.

America didnt revolt against the British as a people. It was the policies of the British at that time being imposed on America.

What were those policies? Settlement regulations, taxes, rubbish currency, quartering by proxy, and even the indiscriminate killing of individuals.

Now, what are Americans living under with their own government?

The same policies.

America never won that war. The ideals of tyranny did.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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The problem is we the people didnt listen to our founding fathers.


God forbid we should ever be twenty years without such a rebellion.
The people cannot be all, and always, well informed. The part which is
wrong will be discontented, in proportion to the importance of the facts
they misconceive. If they remain quiet under such misconceptions,
it is lethargy, the forerunner of death to the public liberty. ...
And what country can preserve its liberties, if its rulers are not
warned from time to time, that this people preserve the spirit of
resistance? Let them take arms. The remedy is to set them right as
to the facts, pardon and pacify them. What signify a few lives lost
in a century or two? The tree of liberty must be refreshed from
time to time, with the blood of patriots and tyrants.
It is its natural manure. - Thomas Jefferson



I believe that banking institutions are more dangerous to our liberties than standing armies. If the American people ever allow private banks to control the issue of their currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the banks and corporations that will grow up around [the banks] will deprive the people of all property until their children wake-up homeless on the continent their fathers conquered. The issuing power should be taken from the banks and restored to the people, to whom it properly belongs. - Thomas Jefferson



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 08:05 AM
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Yes the British were ousted because of their policies and tyrinnical rule. But was it not soon after that the American government then proceeded to ethnically cleanse Native America of its native populace by culling the American buffallo to extinction of which the Native American culture relied upon? That is conveniently forgotten by most Americans.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 08:06 AM
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Agreed. My thoughts are that once Kennedy died, so did America. Why do I think that?????? Because the Tyranny was/is the globalist, and they are controlled and reign from their central banks. Kennedy tried to buck the eurobanks, and create debt free currency.

England, and all of Europe have been chocked to the point of no resistance by globalists, and Europeans don't even seem to be able to hardly complain about their nations being over ran by Islam.

Clinton and his NAFTA? They knew that the immigrant tide would be a result, they don't care, and never did - the are total sell outs to the globalist ideal.

Here's my thoughts on the whole thing, if anyone is interested:
hubpages.com...



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 08:09 AM
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I cannot speak for the rest of Europe but British culture is historically one of compassion. We are proud of free speech and choice to choose your own religion, this is why we have many Muslims as well as other religions in the country. This is not something to be ashamed of, and a hand full of fundementalists should not be allowed to let the govenment use this as properganda to start wars in nations they have financial interests in. Basically anywhere with oil.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 08:33 AM
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Originally posted by michael1983l
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I cannot speak for the rest of Europe but British culture is historically one of compassion. We are proud of free speech and choice to choose your own religion, this is why we have many Muslims as well as other religions in the country. This is not something to be ashamed of, and a hand full of fundementalists should not be allowed to let the govenment use this as properganda to start wars in nations they have financial interests in. Basically anywhere with oil.


Please Ive already had my laugh for the day I do not need another. Compassion? Those 2 wars with America were all about British compassion wasnt it? The inhuman treatment of both Ireland and Scotland throughout the existance of the British Empire was a sign of compassion was it? The British banking institutions that continue to plague this world are a sign of compassion? Please, do not make me laugh. The horror the British crown has inflicted on this world is nothing even close to compassion. British culture? You have no culture. You have a line of inbred self entitled maniacs that rule over you.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 08:39 AM
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I take it you are American, does that not make you a descendant of a Brit? And talking of culture that is a nice lecture from somebody that lives in a nation that has a grand old 600 years of history under its belt and the prodominant history lesson taught in Schools is about Martin Luthor King. britain is a multiculteral society and is tollerant, yes we are not perfect and we have not had a perfect history but was it not Britain that started the cogs in motion to abolish slavery and was it not Britain that stood up to the Nazi's during the second world war to protect an entire race from extinsion whilst the USA stood idly by.

Do not lecture me, get your own house in order first. Are Americans proud of being the first modern civilization to perform mass genocide on its own soil?



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 08:50 AM
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Originally posted by michael1983l
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I take it you are American, does that not make you a descendant of a Brit? And talking of culture that is a nice lecture from somebody that lives in a nation that has a grand old 600 years of history under its belt and the prodominant history lesson taught in Schools is about Martin Luthor King. britain is a multiculteral society and is tollerant, yes we are not perfect and we have not had a perfect history but was it not Britain that started the cogs in motion to abolish slavery and was it not Britain that stood up to the Nazi's during the second world war to protect an entire race from extinsion whilst the USA stood idly by.

Do not lecture me, get your own house in order first. Are Americans proud of being the first modern civilization to perform mass genocide on its own soil?


Yes infact Id say Im atleast 1/4 English considering my grand mother was born in London. But each American is not a direct descendant of a Brit. Point being I was born in this country. I am an American. Interesting though that you decided to bring up the idea of a multiculteral society when it is actually America that proudly holds the largest multiculteral society on this planet. So what exactly is wrong with Martin Luther King? He was a great man. Slavery? Yes, well the Brits were a bit ahead of us on that. I will not deny fact. But to say that you are historically compassionate is a bold faced lie.

Nazis? Yes, we shouldnt have even been involved. If it werent for the Japanese we probably would have sat there and let you folks deal with the problem because it wasnt our war. It wasnt our conflict. It wasnt our business. We were dragged into ww2. Thats the way it was supposed to be. We arent supposed to be playing world police like we are today.

I do not claim America to be perfect. Far from it actually. But I also dont try to pass off bold faced lies as truth such as you attempted to do.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 09:08 AM
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But it is the truth, if we were not a compassionate nation then why does our foreign aide to GDP ration outweigh any other nation in the world including the USA even at a time we are making cutbacks in our own country we are increasing the foreign aide budget. We have displayed our compassion as a nation fighting 2 world wars voluntarily to protect the freedoms of others even when we were outnumbered, out equipped and outfunded by the Germans, the chance of us losing our freedom did not come into question to do what was right and protect others. The USA on the other hand had to wait until their hand was forced. The UK government has pushed through many human rights laws and always speaks out about violations on an international stage.

As for MLK, my point was there is history eternal to US shores and it is world renowned that History taught in US schools is very focussed on history of the USA rather than international.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 09:17 AM
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Im not saying the Brits are all bad or that your country hasnt done some things right. Just dont act like you are completely innocent when you know your own history. Let us not forget about King Edward meeting with Adolf Hitler if we want to talk about ww2. Im sure that had nothing to do with it though. We can say that you were in that war only because you cared.

I agree with you on education. US schools should be teaching not only more of our history but that of the world's history aswell. Education is a huge problem in this nation mostly because its impossible to teach truth to these children.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 09:22 AM
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Originally posted by e11888
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Im not saying the Brits are all bad or that your country hasnt done some things right. Just dont act like you are completely innocent when you know your own history. Let us not forget about King Edward meeting with Adolf Hitler if we want to talk about ww2. Im sure that had nothing to do with it though. We can say that you were in that war only because you cared.

I agree with you on education. US schools should be teaching not only more of our history but that of the world's history aswell. Education is a huge problem in this nation mostly because its impossible to teach truth to these children.


I think we are coming to some sort of similar thinking now. I think what you have mistaken is confusing British people's history of compassion with that of the Governments. British people have always been quite liberal and have often been out on the streets campaigning for important things. What I am saying about British people is that in general they are tollerant. I don't think US people are bad, in fact I quite enjoyed the warmth of its people when I visited your nation. What I am saying is that your Government is bad and it exerts views onto its people through properganda much more than you would expect for a nation that is supposedly built on free speech.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 09:53 AM
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Interestingly enough that number matches up pretty closely to the Tea Party

Probably a whole nother research project
edit on 1-7-2011 by spyder550 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 09:55 AM
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was the Independents against the Indians?



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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The day has become a glorified excuse to take off work and get drunk.


The sad thing is this has become true of almost every holiday, even those with religious origins, they're just excuses to overeat and drink too much.

I don't know who's to blame here, the education system for not teaching these people about our history or just people's poor information retention skills. I'm going with the latter because I remember going over the Founding Fathers at least half a dozen times in school.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 10:41 AM
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Originally posted by michael1983l
But it is the truth, if we were not a compassionate nation then why does our foreign aide to GDP ration outweigh any other nation in the world including the USA even at a time we are making cutbacks in our own country we are increasing the foreign aide budget. We have displayed our compassion as a nation fighting 2 world wars voluntarily to protect the freedoms of others even when we were outnumbered, out equipped and outfunded by the Germans, the chance of us losing our freedom did not come into question to do what was right and protect others. The USA on the other hand had to wait until their hand was forced. The UK government has pushed through many human rights laws and always speaks out about violations on an international stage.

As for MLK, my point was there is history eternal to US shores and it is world renowned that History taught in US schools is very focussed on history of the USA rather than international.


So right now, you guys are compassionately bombing the s#*t out of Libya? Are you compassionately pacifying those Libyans you love so much, voluntarily protecting the freedoms of others? Gaak.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 10:43 AM
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Sad that a lot of Americans don't even know the official story of the revolution. But what about the War of 1812? I don't recall being taught ANYTHING about that in school...

Dig into that one and see what you find....

Those Brits were so "compassionate". They CARED about us.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 10:45 AM
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Originally posted by michael1983l
Yes the British were ousted because of their policies and tyrinnical rule. But was it not soon after that the American government then proceeded to ethnically cleanse Native America of its native populace by culling the American buffallo to extinction of which the Native American culture relied upon? That is conveniently forgotten by most Americans.


This post is wrong on so many levels.

I wouldn't know where to begin.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 10:50 AM
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A quick google soon brings up the facts, or is that sensored in the USA?



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