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British Firms urged to hire UK jobless not foreign workers

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posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 12:39 AM
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British Firms urged to hire UK jobless not foreign workers


www.bbc.co.uk

UK businesses should recruit more unemployed young Britons rather than relying on labour from abroad, the work and pensions secretary is to say.

In a speech in Spain, Iain Duncan Smith will say that if government policy has prepared young people for work, "we need businesses to give them a chance".

Otherwise, he will say, they will be lost to dependency and hopelessness.

Official figures suggest almost 90% of the 400,000 jobs created in the UK in the past year went to foreign workers.

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posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 12:39 AM
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Wow - this sounds more like National Front talk than an actual policy of the sitting Government.

I wonder what would happen in the USA if the Labor Secretary was to make a speech telling American Businesses to hire more Americans and stop hiring immigrants and illegals? She'd be absolutely taken to task by the MSM, hauled up in front of Congress to explain herself, and forced to resign for such a statement.

This is a "Britain for the British" type statement, and from a Cabinet Level Minister of the Sitting Government.

www.bbc.co.uk
(visit the link for the full news article)
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posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 12:40 AM
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.....oops wrong thread
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posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 01:10 AM
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Nice find, im glad people still have the cojones to say what they really think.
I mean why havnt they looked at this such a long time ago,i dont see the point of getting foreigners to work in a country when you already have people in that country ready,willing and wanting to work.if you think about it,having people of the country doing the jobs of the country(how it should still be),even if it does cost more, you will end up finding you get quality produce!, or you can get foreigners from somewhere else and pay them less for more work,but the quality isnt there.
Even tho these days i think even foreigners are being cracked down on to be paid properly.
Then you also got the problem of multiculturalism by bringing all these foreigners, and you can see it throughout history and still today that multiculturalism just doesnt work, not at this day of age anyways, it causes more problems than it solves.Governments are just that concerned about growth,taxes and "booms" these days that its becoming a big problem and causing alot of stress in alot of areas,remember what goes up, must come down, that applies to economys as well obviously.It also makes the people that should have the jobs of the country have less confidence and would probably make them angry as well because their jobs are being taken from foreigners.
Ill tell you what, i know the feeling first hand being born and living here,and work in Australia, whilst all these foreigners take the jobs because of the government, not because "the foreigners get the jobs first and we are lazy", your governments make this stuff happen, again its all about growth,taxes and industry "booms" and probably other agendas.

Australian's should work in Australia
New Zealander's should work in New Zealand
Briton's should work in Britain

Exactly how things were before governments started the multiculturalization of countrys.
Getting foreigners creates a chain reaction of problems that will only get worse between races.

By the way, im not saying that people shouldnt work in other countrys, just that the majority of people of the country/state should be the workforce, not people from around the side of the globe.

Cheers

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posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 04:41 AM
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I'm curious how you come to the conclusion that native workers produce the best quality work product in every case as you seem to suggest.

For example, I'm an immigrant. 9 times out of 10, I would say that I provide a better work product in everything that I do, than non-immigrant workers here.

The world is becoming a global market place. Whether that is good or bad for you on an individual level, the simple fact is that not everybody has the right to a job automatically, it should be earned. Yes, it would be great if everyone had work and was never unemployed, but there are a lot of people out there who are lazy, incompetent or both. I've certainly never had an issue with getting and keeping jobs, regardless of the economic climate.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 04:45 AM
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Don't you feel you are being somewhat hypocritical, especially when you consider your country (Australia) is a fairly new one in the grand scheme of things and was built upon immigration?

Ian Duncan Smith is also a hypocrite. The government recently awarded a £3bn train contract to Siemens of Germany instead of Bombardier who employ 3,000 people in Derby (England), the last remaining train factory in Britain.[1] Clearly they expect employers here to follow a different set of rules to the ones they do.

It seems like the Tory's true colours are finally starting to shine through this muddy coalition.
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posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 05:13 AM
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Originally posted by Inannamute
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I'm curious how you come to the conclusion that native workers produce the best quality work product in every case as you seem to suggest.

For example, I'm an immigrant. 9 times out of 10, I would say that I provide a better work product in everything that I do, than non-immigrant workers here.

The world is becoming a global market place. Whether that is good or bad for you on an individual level, the simple fact is that not everybody has the right to a job automatically, it should be earned. Yes, it would be great if everyone had work and was never unemployed, but there are a lot of people out there who are lazy, incompetent or both. I've certainly never had an issue with getting and keeping jobs, regardless of the economic climate.



sorry, but I'm gonna agree with him on the quality issue. in america since illegals were GIVEN all the jobs internally and the rest outscourced, quality and customer service is trash all around. I can't note a single instance where americans stand back and say, "gee, those immigrants do it better".

as far as the world becoming a global market place, please elaborate how any of that fact benefited anything?? the world economies have been tanking across the board whilst corporation's profit margins skyrocketed off the cheap labor force.

and then you go on to say not everyone is entitled to work, that they need to earn the right?? how about immigrant laborers EARN THAT RIGHT in thier own country. nobody else's country owes people like you a job, if your country is crap, then it's up to you and yours to fix that. now I'm all for immigration if the person fully wants to become a lawful citizen of said country/s and is willing to accept it's cultures and oathes, but from what I've seen so far, it's all BS.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 05:40 AM
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Never said my country was crap, never said I was an illegal immigrant, however in my experience as an immigrant, many of the people in the country I live in and have lived in for a little over a decade now, have very little in the way of a work ethic and a huge sense of entitlement. They think it's fine to call in for no reason, to show up late to work, to do as little as possible while they are there, while simultaneously expecting everyone else around them to work harder to make up for their slack.

That's a quality work product? I don't think so. Not to say that all immigrants are by default better, but there are many cases where they are, with a different sense of what is important, and what doing a good job entails.

I am arguing for a meritocracy, not a situation where simply because you are or are not from a specific place, you deserve a job.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 05:46 AM
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Australian's should work in Australia



There's thousands of Aussies working in the UK and thousands of Brits working in Australia, most seem happy. why should we have to remain in the nation of our birth our whole lives? There's a big world out there/



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 05:47 AM
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The most frightening part of this is that official figures indicate that whilst we have millions unemployed and wanting to work 90% of the 400,000 jobs created in the last few years have been filled by foreigners.

This suggests that we either have a massvie skill deficiency, which is a distinct possibility given the negligence and incompetence of all recent administrations, or, for whatever reasons, employers prefer foreign labour.

I suspect it may be a mixture of both.

Yes, there are spongers, scroungers and malingerers on benefits etc but the vast majority do want to work.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 05:57 AM
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I went to university, got a 2.1 degree and £25,000 in debt. I was then unemployed for just over a year and had to go on a 13 week work placement litter picking parks for an extra £15 a week on benefits. I have literally applied for hundreds of vacancies and not just jobs relating to my degree but also factory and shop work. I managed to get a temporary job which lasted 6 months. I am now unemployed again and I am trying to work voluntary for jobs related to my degree so I can gain experience.

Saying that people native to their country are bad workers is ridiculous and offensive.
When I was doing this 13 week work placement I was working with other unemployed and one of them said he applied to be a fireman and they said he wasn't suitable for the job because he isn't an ethnic minority. This doesn't surprise me because I've read many stories of this kind of racial discrimination, but I suppose it's not racial discrimination if it's a white british is it?

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posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 06:09 AM
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You're paraphrasing what I said. I don't think that people who are citizens are necessarily bad workers, but in the particular country I live in, that is certainly what I see on a regular basis. I think it's offensive to suggest that immigrant workers are taking jobs that could be done better by someone solely on the basis of their citizenship.

I'm sorry you have had a hard time finding work, and I think that affirmative action and requirements are frequently a flawed solution to a flawed problem - but the alternative is to let attitudes like yours prevail, that somehow you are better because you are white and british. The more people think like that, the more it is necessary for affirmative action programs to exist. If people were judged on the basis of merit, on their work ethic, etc, as I would like to see, I think the world of employment and unemployment would even itself out. Ironically, the attitude you're showing is why affirmative action is necessary. If everyone believed as I do, that you should be judged on merit alone, rather than your race, class, or country of citizenship, there would no longer be a need for such programs.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 06:10 AM
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As always chap the nail has been firmly hit on the head.

There is a huge skill deficiency within the workforce as the government has raised the expectation that everyone should attend university instead of focussing on actual trades or real life practical skills.

Also there is a massive catch 22 situation with those that are skilled, especially for those that have just come out of university. You apply for a job and unless you have experience you can't get one, regardless of what grades you got in your respective degree. So your only option is to get on a graduate training scheme which pays a significant amount less than a normal job.

I dropped out of University (as I work better under practical conditions and not sat through theory) and I am now earning a significant amount more than friends from the course are as I have been working for 3 years longer than them and have carved a specialist niche in what I do to make myself, for now, indespensible.

Speaking only from experience the reason, I find, that 90% of the jobs have gone to immigrant workers is purely cost. Why pay extra for home grown talent when you can get someone equally skilled who is willing to work for a fraction of the price as it is three to four times what they would get paid in their own country. It is just good business. Unfortunately it is not good for the economics of the country.

A solution I feel would be to follow what they were suggesting for football teams in the premiership. A company should have at least 60% home grown workforce and be allowed to outsource the rest. If this legislation was to be enforced it would benefit the unemployment rate, the economy and the country as a whole.

Gettin the EU to agree to it on the other hand would be a very tricky situation indeed!



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 07:54 AM
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I'm curious how you come to the conclusion that native workers produce the best quality work product in every case as you seem to suggest.


I dont know what post or thread your looking at,but my post never said that native workers produce better quality products,i suggested that given the opportunity the ready,willing and wanting work force of the country will produce quality products, but only if they are given the chance to do so.



For example, I'm an immigrant. 9 times out of 10, I would say that I provide a better work product in everything that I do, than non-immigrant workers here.


Hmm, you ask me a question like the previous one to something that i didnt say, yet you say yourself exactly what you are saying i said except your saying the immigrant(yourself) makes better quality produce,i never said it, you said it, re-read you post and you will see what i mean,pretty hypocritical if you ask me.



the simple fact is that not everybody has the right to a job automatically, it should be earned.


Correct, i agree with you,jobs should be earnt and not given,but this isnt how it works these days, but it should.



Yes, it would be great if everyone had work and was never unemployed, but there are a lot of people out there who are lazy, incompetent or both. I've certainly never had an issue with getting and keeping jobs, regardless of the economic climate.


As for this, good for you, and i hope you continue to have a good career and not have the work struggles that alot of other people get and have.
Good for you...



Don't you feel you are being somewhat hypocritical, especially when you consider your country (Australia) is a fairly new one in the grand scheme of things and was built upon immigration?


No i dont and you are right, it was built upon immigration,correct and i agree.
But you must of missed the part at the bottom of the post where i clearly state that :



By the way, im not saying that people shouldnt work in other countrys, just that the majority of people of the country/state should be the workforce, not people from around the side of the globe.


If you didnt see it,then now you have, heres Truth_Hz saying it differently :



A company should have at least 60% home grown workforce and be allowed to outsource the rest. If this legislation was to be enforced it would benefit the unemployment rate, the economy and the country as a whole.




"gee, those immigrants do it better"

Cant say ive every heard or said that before either, have any one of you on this thread heard or said that before?
I highly doubt it.



the world economies have been tanking across the board whilst corporation's profit margins skyrocketed off the cheap labor force.

Yep,i agree. This is exactly what you see today.



and then you go on to say not everyone is entitled to work, that they need to earn the right?? how about immigrant laborers EARN THAT RIGHT in thier own country. nobody else's country owes people like you a job, if your country is crap, then it's up to you and yours to fix that. now I'm all for immigration if the person fully wants to become a lawful citizen of said country/s and is willing to accept it's cultures and oathes, but from what I've seen so far, it's all BS.


I completely agree with this!



There's thousands of Aussies working in the UK and thousands of Brits working in Australia, most seem happy. why should we have to remain in the nation of our birth our whole lives? There's a big world out there/


You must of missed this part of my post as well...



By the way, im not saying that people shouldnt work in other countrys, just that the majority of people of the country/state should be the workforce, not people from around the side of the globe.




Yes, there are spongers, scroungers and malingerers on benefits etc but the vast majority do want to work.


Yep,the vast majority that want to work,whether or not they are given a opportunity is a different story tho i guess.
I wish people were given a opportunity more.



I went to university, got a 2.1 degree and £25,000 in debt. I was then unemployed for just over a year and had to go on a 13 week work placement litter picking parks for an extra £15 a week on benefits. I have literally applied for hundreds of vacancies and not just jobs relating to my degree but also factory and shop work. I managed to get a temporary job which lasted 6 months. I am now unemployed again and I am trying to work voluntary for jobs related to my degree so I can gain experience.


Im glad you replyed to the thread SpaceMonkeys,im sorry your system has treated you like that, its not much different over here.



Saying that people native to their country are bad workers is ridiculous and offensive. When I was doing this 13 week work placement I was working with other unemployed and one of them said he applied to be a fireman and they said he wasn't suitable for the job because he isn't an ethnic minority. This doesn't surprise me because I've read many stories of this kind of racial discrimination, but I suppose it's not racial discrimination if it's a white british is it?


Wow mate, you couldnt be any closer to the truth.When is comes to caucasians, we cant be discriminated against because we arent classed as a race,because we dont a specific origin.

A example of this is how other races can call us "white trash" or something along the lines of that and its not classed as racial discrimination because of the fact i mentioned before,where as if a caucasian called another race "(colour of their skin) trash" its classed as racial discrimination,because they are classed are a race, and have a known specific origin.
And that is how it is.



that somehow you are better because you are white and british


No one on this thread said that so i dont know where you got that from.



I think it's offensive to suggest that immigrant workers are taking jobs that could be done better by someone solely on the basis of their citizenship.


No one has said that either,but you said a very offensive statement that i took offensively,im not going to dwell on it tho.You should read posts more carefully.



you should be judged on merit alone, rather than your race, class, or country of citizenship


Now,on that i agree with you.



Speaking only from experience the reason, I find, that 90% of the jobs have gone to immigrant workers is purely cost. Why pay extra for home grown talent when you can get someone equally skilled who is willing to work for a fraction of the price as it is three to four times what they would get paid in their own country. It is just good business. Unfortunately it is not good for the economics of the country.


This is exactly what governments are doing today,no doubt about it.





















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posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 07:56 AM
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this sends out a confused message, on one hand the government are asking British companies to employ brits on the other hand they are keeping silly PC rules that means companies can be prosecuted for being biased when employing people based on nationality or ethnic background.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 08:04 AM
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this sends out a confused message, on one hand the government are asking British companies to employ brits on the other hand they are keeping silly PC rules that means companies can be prosecuted for being biased when employing people based on nationality or ethnic background.


I think governments, are just confused natrually, they dont seem to know what the hell they are doing half the time.
They are just in repetitive cirlces chasing their tails around like a dog,its maddness.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 08:08 AM
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Exactly, if they did this, theyd be had up on racism charges.

The government are also massive hypocrites handed out contract to foreign companies when they could have gone to British ones.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 08:20 AM
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I would just like to make clear as an addition to my post:

I have no care for the ethnic background of the workforce as long as they were born in the UK or have become British Nationals and can therefore command the same pay structures as the rest of the naturalised workorce then they should be included in the 60%.

My problem is with the cheap outsourcing of labour to places such as India, Poland, China etc or the large influx of workers from these or simialr countries for two years at a time or however long their visa is that is keeping the figure at 90% when there is the possibility of giving a national with the same skill set the role instead.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 08:23 AM
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It's a bit too late for that after the UK goverment has allowed the place to be flooded by immigrants in an effort to force wages down.

People may forget we are an island nation but all three main parties are controled by zionists so don't go thinking that voting is going to change a damm thing because corporate profit comes even if they pay no tax.

welcome to globalization, Zionist style.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 08:31 AM
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Kudos to IDS for stating the blatantly bloody obvious


Instead of talking, do something about it...



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