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Originally posted by wycky
I am currently reading finger prints of the gods by Graham Handcock.
It has a lot of good info about the Myans and Olmecs. Whats more intresting though is how many cultures ( think 84 from memory) have almost identical stories of a great flood wiping out most of mankind at the end of a cycle, and then talk of a new begning.
Originally posted by sir_slide
The famous Maya text the Popol Vuh states that the world has been destroyed three times by three great cataclysms and that the current world is the fourth world, thus their calendar begins at the end of the last world (22.214.171.124.0 4 Ajaw 8 Kumk’u) in 3114 BC and ends at the completion of the next cycle which is on December 21st 2012.
If we were to take the Bishops version of events as the truth we would understand that perhaps the Olmec and The Maya civilizations had their origins a great deal earlier than when most archeologists accept.
Perhaps this is why their calendar was so detailed, precise and would make up for how it could possibly span such long periods of time. Is it possible then that the origins of the Mayan calendar date back to an age even before the Olmecs?
One of the Mayan cycles of time mapped out a cycle that took 26,000 to complete and “is the calendar to indicate when the Earth Mother is going to make the big changes.
So the Sun moves “into the ecliptic crosshairs only once every 26, 000 years ” yet the “winter solstice sunrise of 2012 takes place only once in the whole history of the universe” and the Maya were aware of this.
The region of the Milky Way that the solstice sun will unite with contains not only the nuclear bulge of the Galactic Centre (which, by the way is visible to the human eye) but also a ‘dark rift’ feature caused by interstellar dust.
If we look carefully at the history of the planet we can see that “13, 000 years ago (or halfway through the Mayan 26, 000 year cycle) the polar ice caps began to melt and the ocean levels rose dramatically during the next 2000 years which drastically shrank the coasts of most countries and covered many land masses with water ”
If such a global cataclysm had indeed taken place it would make sense that they would have had to have started their civilization again from the very bottom, and rebuild, beginning in “caves until the new ground would have been suitable for agriculture ”.
Some knowledge would have to have been kept sacred and passed on and it seems that the Mayan calendar is this knowledge. “The Chilam Balam of Yucatan asserts that the motherland of the Maya was swallowed up by the sea amid earthquakes and fiery eruptions in a very distant epoch ”. This along with the Mayan legends of the destruction of previous worlds leads one to believe that the Maya may have had their beginnings in the very distant past and that indeed they did inherit their calendar from this distant epoch.
If this is true, then it is possible to assume that the Maya were direct descendants of people from these very near by civilizations.
We know now through modern astronomy that in December 2012 we are “moving out of the age of Pisces and into the age of Aquarius”
Originally posted by SLAYER69
reply to post by sir_slide
Interesting perspective. S & F
This leads one to speculate that their calendar was originally of Olmec origin, as most archeologists agree that it was the Olmecs who had the first civilization in Central America around 1500 BC.
As many of our readers know I've written a few threads on the topic of Sunken Ice Age civilization/culture which we may never fully understand. There are possible Dry "Ice age" coastal location for an ancient Caribbean sunken civilization. [The light colored area in the following image] There seems to be some circumstantial evidence that supports this theory.
There has been some speculation that the "Mississippian Mound Builder" were related somehow to either the Mayan or were an offshoot of the Olmec themselves. The history of the Caribbean would be closely tied to any possible sunken civilization. They are certainly old enough to have been survivors of the period
Ortoiroid people The Ortoiroid people were the first human settlers of the Caribbean...
The earliest radiocarbon date for the Ortoiroid is 5230 BC from Trinidad; the latest date is 190 AD from Puerto Rico.
In North America if we traveled up the Mississippi we find Mound builders who possibly had roots in either the Mayan or even the older Olmec civilizations.
Cahokia kəhoʊkiːə is the site of an ancient Native American city (650-1400 CE) near Collinsville, Illinois in the American Bottom floodplain, across the Mississippi River from St. Louis, Missouri. The 2,200-acre (8.9 km2) site includes at least 109 man-made earthen mounds. Cahokia Mounds is the largest archaeological site related to the Mississippian culture, which developed advanced societies in eastern North America centuries before the arrival of Europeans.
Cahokia was settled around 650 CE during the Late Woodland period. Mound building did not begin until about 1050 CE, at the beginning of the Mississippian cultural period. The inhabitants left no written records beyond symbols on pottery, shell, copper, wood, and stone.. The city's original name is unknown.
A couple of pictures to ponder.
Cahokia North America
Olmec Central America
Does anybody remember the following image? It caused quite a stir when it was first released. It shows the destruction of a civilization from a tremendous volcanic eruption followed by flooding. Could this depiction and the Olmec ruins be proof of that titanic destruction?
Most if not all the major Olmec stone carvings that survive to this day show massive amounts of damage in some form. It has been speculated that the damage was caused by rivals or later cultures defacing their work. My question is this. Wouldn't it have been easier to have chiseled off the inscriptions and carvings than trying to break them apart?
I theorize the reason why these stone carvings were heavily damaged and strewn throughout the jungle is possibly due to some form a titanic destructive force leaving only these few sculptures. Maybe a huge Volcanic eruption followed by a huge tsunami could have ripped apart ancient temples and flung them all over the surrounding area. Pure speculation on my part.
(p. 91) In such cases, slaves were usually purchased and after a variety of rituals were anointed with blue dye and either shot with arrows through the heart or held on an altar while the priest swiftly removed the heart using a ceremonial knife. In either case the heart was presented to the temple idol, which was also anointed with blood. (pp. 48–49) According to Bancroft, one tribe sacrificed illegitimate boys twice a year, again by removing the heart, but collecting the blood in a bowl and scattering it to the four cardinal compass points within the temple.