Well you were doing fine until.....
Originally posted by sir_slide
The famous Maya text the Popol Vuh states that the world has been destroyed three times by three great cataclysms and that the current world is the
fourth world, thus their calendar begins at the end of the last world (184.108.40.206.0 4 Ajaw 8 Kumk’u) in 3114 BC and ends at the completion of the next
cycle which is on December 21st 2012.
Actually, it doesn't seem to give the time of those "cataclysms" -- and I'm not sure they're cataclysms. In one of them, humans (who were
created out of wood) were chased out of their homes by their own pots and utensils and dogs and pigs and drowned and so forth.
If we were to take the Bishops version of events as the truth we would understand that perhaps the Olmec and The Maya civilizations had their
origins a great deal earlier than when most archeologists accept.
Sadly, there's no actual proof of this. Cultures are complex things and cities and civilizations don't just start when a bunch of wandering
tribespeople run into each other and decide to start a new civilization. Each civilization has unique features (the way it buries its dead, the kinds
of foods it prefers, which animals it domesticates, which symbols are sacred and so forth.) The things that remain don't match up with the Bishop's
speculation -- but that's no surprise. He didn't have any artifacts and dig site information.
Perhaps this is why their calendar was so detailed, precise and would make up for how it could possibly span such long periods of time. Is it
possible then that the origins of the Mayan calendar date back to an age even before the Olmecs?
If we go on that reasoning, the calendar I have on my wall right now could go back to the mid Jurassic. It's very precise.
You can't take an object and speculate backwards if there's no evidence for it. Many civilizations put a "start date" on their calendar that
relates to some mythical event (the founding of Rome is a good example. Early Romans didn't keep a calendar and by the time they were calling
themselves Romans and had a state and an empire, they backdated their calendars to what they felt was the time it was founded.
One of the Mayan cycles of time mapped out a cycle that took 26,000 to complete and “is the calendar to indicate when the Earth Mother is
going to make the big changes.
I don't think you will find this idea anywhere in Mayan mythology (which you said you were using) or in the Popol Vuh. It doesn't hold up in the
geologic record, either.
So the Sun moves “into the ecliptic crosshairs only once every 26, 000 years ” yet the “winter solstice sunrise of 2012 takes place only
once in the whole history of the universe” and the Maya were aware of this.
Actually, the "ecliptic crosshairs" huge. It's somewhat similar to you standing in New Jersey and "being in alignment with New York City." You
would be hard-pressed to tell the difference between the rising sun on this year's winter solstice and the 2012 rising sun and the 2013 rising sun.
Check out the "Starry night" program or other astronomical software and see for yourself -- the Milky Way rift is actually fairly sizable when
viewed from Earth.
The region of the Milky Way that the solstice sun will unite with contains not only the nuclear bulge of the Galactic Centre (which, by the way
is visible to the human eye) but also a ‘dark rift’ feature caused by interstellar dust.
Your source there is misleading. The galactic center is huge (like New York City) and the Earth is very small (like you.. or maybe your cat in
comparison to NYC.) Standing so that you're at the same altitude above sea level as New York City isn't going to unite you with NYC. The Earth
bobs and weaves through this position on a regular cycle. It's occurred before and will again.
If we look carefully at the history of the planet we can see that “13, 000 years ago (or halfway through the Mayan 26, 000 year cycle) the
polar ice caps began to melt and the ocean levels rose dramatically during the next 2000 years which drastically shrank the coasts of most countries
and covered many land masses with water ”
Your source is misleading. There were rises in the sea level that took place over thousands of years till we get to today's sea level. But the rise
was between two and five inches per year (and there's records of this in the geology.)
If such a global cataclysm had indeed taken place it would make sense that they would have had to have started their civilization again from
the very bottom, and rebuild, beginning in “caves until the new ground would have been suitable for agriculture ”.
You seem to assume that everyone lived on the coast (rather than the interior) and that they didn't have the sense to walk away from their living
places when the tides started to chew up the land. There's plenty of evidence that homo sapiens was living in the interior of continents up to a
million years ago and that human ancestors were nowhere near the ocean five million years ago.
Some knowledge would have to have been kept sacred and passed on and it seems that the Mayan calendar is this knowledge. “The Chilam Balam
of Yucatan asserts that the motherland of the Maya was swallowed up by the sea amid earthquakes and fiery eruptions in a very distant epoch ”. This
along with the Mayan legends of the destruction of previous worlds leads one to believe that the Maya may have had their beginnings in the very
distant past and that indeed they did inherit their calendar from this distant epoch.
I haven't read the books so I can't say, but I feel I should point out that these books were written in the 1700's
(click link for reference)
They include Arabic recipes (not indigenous ones) and include feast
days for Saints, indicating Christian mythology has intermixed thoroughly with the culture.
I wouldn't rely on them as "pure sources."
If this is true, then it is possible to assume that the Maya were direct descendants of people from these very near by civilizations.
While the premise isn't true, the conclusion is. Mayans didn't drop in from outer space -- they formed around a strong leader from another culture
living in the region who rose to found a kingdom and had a line of successors who kept the kingdom intact. Just as the English are direct descendants
of the Britons that Julius Caesar encountered and those Britons are descendants of earlier people who crossed the English channel during the height of
the Ice Age and before.
We know now through modern astronomy that in December 2012 we are “moving out of the age of Pisces and into the age of Aquarius”
Actually, that's astrology and not astronomy and astrologers (I used to be a professional astrologer) have been arguing about just WHEN the Age of
Aquarius arrived since the 1970's.
And in spite of my seeming snarkiness, you've done a nice job in presenting the topic!