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Strauss-Kahn Rape Case 'Close To Collapse'

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posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 10:49 AM
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Originally posted by Maxmars

The man's elite status is the predominately complicating factor here. Otherwise we wouldn't even be discussing this, as there are hundreds of rape allegations pending in the courts right now... and the public seems generally disinclined to debate them.

Perhaps we should trust the justice system (pause for laughter) to determine the actual events.... or will this boil down to a 'settlement' or 'plea bargain?"

Personally, I suspect "political expedience" will factor greatly in the outcome of this case.



Yes, exactly. Nice highlight of the key aspect of the sensational nature of this story.

Now, about trusting the justice system....


I find it very interesting that the NYT article has this info about the maid, and prints a story on it,
with unnamed sources.

Its beyond interesting to re read DSK lawyers words from a month ago.


Lawyers for Dominique Strauss-Kahn, the former International Monetary Fund chief, are concerned leaks could hurt his right to a fair trial and say they have information that could "gravely undermine the credibility" of the hotel maid who has accused him of trying to rape her.

In a letter to Manhattan prosecutors, William Taylor and Ben Brafman complained about New York police leaking information about the case to the media. They said they did not blame prosecutors for the leaks.

"Indeed, were we intent on improperly feeding the media frenzy, we could now release substantial information that, in our view, would seriously undermine the quality of this prosecution and also gravely undermine the credibility of the complainant in this case," the lawyers wrote.www.nationalpost.com...




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posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 10:52 AM
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If it turns out that there is no case against him, I think the Assistant District Attorney should lose his job. Here is what he said at the outset:

"The proof against him is substantial. It is continuing to grow every day as the investigation continues," Assistant District Attorney John "Artie" McConnell told the judge. "We have a man who, by his own conduct in this case, has shown a propensity for impulsive criminal conduct."

www.msnbc.msn.com...

Aren't you supposed to innocent until proven guilty in America?

If it turns out that there is no case against him, look at what they have done to this man's life. It's just wrong.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 10:58 AM
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Well they have her on tape talking to one individual involved in the drug dealing who also is someone who deposited money to her account. So its possible, but improbable, that she is not complicit in the money laundering.

However, her criminal activity doesnt mean at all that she could not be a victim of a crime herself. None of the shady behavior she is being accused of has any direct bearing on the charge she is making against DSK. None of the evidence of her own bad conduct is a smoking gun that she is framing him.

And, we know he does not deny having sex with her, and they only differ on whether or not the sex was consensual.

It really is just a toss up at this point, based on the evidence we have. Both of them have things in their past that make the accusations against them, (him of sexual assault, and her of lying about sexual assault) plausible, but so far, there is nothing that gives anyone any firm ground to discount her, or convict him. Its sadly stuck in he said/ she said land, and I think anyone who pretends there is compelling evidence either way is doing just that. Pretending.

However, because our justice system is skewed in favor of the accused, the accusations against her, or revelations about her character may well mean that he walks free without having to undergo a trial at all. As rape cases are difficult to prosecute anyway, and when the female has bad character which WILL be used against her, while his may be inadmissible, the prosecutors may decide they cannot win a conviction even if he is, in fact, guilty of the crime.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 11:06 AM
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Originally posted by Reaching


Aren't you supposed to innocent until proven guilty in America?

If it turns out that there is no case against him, look at what they have done to this man's life. It's just wrong.


The same is true for the maid but I dont see anyone concerned about what this whole thing is doing to her life. She is being tried in the court of public opinion as well, and if she is telling the truth, a man who raped her may walk free simply because she did some stuff in her own life that makes her less than credible.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 11:13 AM
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Originally posted by burntheships
reply to post by Bob Sholtz
 


I was expecting something, perhaps now that his position is filled, and his opportunity
to oppose is off the table, they decide to cut him loose.

They could put him away if they wanted.
Considering his activites, I am actually suprised he may be freed.


At the inaugural meeting of the Institute for New Economic Thinking, co-founded by George Soros, held at King's College in Cambridge, England where John Maynard Keynes used to reign, Dominique Strauss-Kahn spoke as one of the keynote speakers. As his remarks began, anti-IMF protesters had broken into the hall and hung a banner over the stage in front of two hundred or so surprised economic thinkers and writers. I was in the second row and snapped the picture at the side which I quickly fed to Arianna Huffington who in turn had it up as the lead on Huffington Post in about three minutes.

What followed was magnificent. Strauss-Kahn showed no fear at all of these protesters whom he engaged in discussion. He asked them to make clear their concerns -- to use his stage to articulate their core fears and demands and make this time that they had taken count. Unfortunately, the folks hanging the banner were not those most intellectually in tune with the protest and they ran off after he asked them to speak. I had communication with the protest leaders later and have no doubt that they would have done well in responding to Strauss-Kahn, but the key then is that he actually did think they should be heard and that the elite who had assembled in Keynes' former halls should not forget the voices of those worried about the impact of global economic policy making. It was a powerful moment, deftly managed by Strauss-Kahn.

Strauss-Kahn's latest IMF patient has been Greece, helping it to work through its debt nightmares. Virtually everyone gives the IMF Director high marks for his ability to keep in mind human faces when sorting through and dealing with the tough disciplines wrought by globalization. www.thewashingtonnote.com...


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As usual, SnF

Any time TPTB want you out, it's usually, for rape or child porn found on your computer.
I'm curious on how they would handle Hilary Clintstone if she screwed up.
As far as Strauss-Kahn being released, he probably will, only to die in an aircraft accident, with a bullet wound to the right side of his head (with a pistol in his left hand), and the official cause of death will be listed as a heart attack.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 11:13 AM
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I did feel there was something fishy about the whole story,as you said the damage is done to Strauss.After this kind of scenario is played and replayed over and over it becomes apparent it's a risk you take when you go against the criminals you work for.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 11:14 AM
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New developments in the story:

Strauss-Kahn Is Released as Case Teeters

www.nytimes.com...



The victim's lawyer is now claiming that she is going to wave her anonymity and speak out publicly about her ordeal.

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Some very graphic accounts being relayed by the maid's lawyer but essentially he is saying that it was the maid who came forward with the admission that there were "problems" with her asylum bid.



and



16.49pm BST / 11.49am EST: (UPDATED) Lawyers are now speaking outside the courthouse. This is very unusual that they are doing this in front of the crowds and television cameras rather than in a courtroom. www.telegraph.co.uk...



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 11:18 AM
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The maid's asylum bid claimed she had been raped by soldiers in Africa.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 11:27 AM
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CNN reporting that the housekeeper has been found to have lied on application to come to United States, lied on tax returns to claim extra dependents, lied about a previously claimed gang rape sexual assault that was found not to have taken place, and lied about her income to get into the housing where she currently lives.

They're also saying that she moved on to clean another room before reporting this alleged sexual assault.

I'd say this woman's story is seriously lacking in credibility.

This guy got railroaded out of the IMF. They wanted him out of the way while the Greek austerity measures passed. The day after they passed, he's been released.

There have been plenty of other high end bankers charged with sexual assault that never got this sort of attention from the media, someone wanted this guy out of the way, in a hurry. Now what they wanted has passed, it's okay to let him go.
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posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 11:28 AM
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She can speak out all she want, we now all know she babble lies and that will not change my opinion of a set-up.It seems to me the lawyer is desperate he was hoping to make this case his career-high , pro-feminist type of case and it slowly is becoming his downfall.He ought to try i suppose but it's not good enough


It's clever though, trying to make the public opinion cry,i would have done the same.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 11:30 AM
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Originally posted by Agit8dChop
Credability of the accuser counts for NOTHING when the powers that be want you silenced and out of the picture.

... just ask Julian Assange.


I seriously hope this guy sues the hell out of the City of New York if the case is dropped. Lost a job as head of the IMF, credibility dragged through the mud. I hope he sues for loss of future income, all costs related to this case, and defamation. Could be worth $hundreds of millions or $billions.

New York thinks they have budget problems now? Wait until they have to payout this guy.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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Her lawyer is now saying that she did not know the telephone conversation she had with a convicted drug dealer was being recorded www.telegraph.co.uk...


Classic.

I would love to hear that conversation.
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posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 11:49 AM
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It's starting to sound like her story doesn't have a leg to stand on.

A woman like her is no friend to those who genuinely have been abused and find the courage to come forward.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 12:04 PM
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Originally posted by TWILITE22
After this kind of scenario is played and replayed over and over it becomes apparent it's a risk you take when you go against the criminals you work for.



Indeed. While its interesting to see all of the new developments, the charges against DSK have
not been dropped. There is still a game being played out...

So there are still lots of possibilities. One being as someone mentioned earlier, he
is now free to go about unrestricted. Which opens up the possibilities further harm could
come to him.

We shall see.


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posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 12:05 PM
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Actually, you are judging her current accusations based on her past behavior and trying to say that because she did bad things in the past, she must be lying now too. And thats not a valid conclusion to draw.

And, many of you are being incredibly hypocritical, and are applying a double standard. HIS past transgressions dont mean HE is guilty now, hers dont either. But Im resigned to the fact that very few people here, and in general, actually care about fairness, or justice, or evidence, and would much rather twist the evidence they do have to support whatever conclusion they have already come to.

We just dont, in fact, have enough real evidence in this instance to say one way or the other yet. And we may never, if the charges are dropped and it never goes to trial.

The article Burntheships started the thread with made it seem as if the bank deposits were directly related in some way to this case, which would have been evidence that made it probable she was setting him up, but after some checking, nothing so far in terms of her shady behavior has any direct bearing on this accusation. At all. And really, we are in the same place we were at the beginning. One persons word against the other. The only thing that has changed, is now we have two people of known bad character accusing each other, instead of one person of unknown character accusing someone of known bad character.

It doesnt surprise me that since the majority was willing to believe the worst of her when we knew nothing about her character, that those same people are now willing to continue to believe in his innocence and think the worst of her. Nothing has changed. The people who wanted to believe it was all a conspiracy before, still do. Its not really that surprising.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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Here's the deal......

IMF head, Strauss-Kahn arrested on board a flight for Paris after it was alleged he raped a hotel maid in NY city hotel on May 14th 2011.

Egyptian banker, Mahmoud Abdel Salam Omar is arrested after also being accused of sexually abusing a hotel maid also in a NY city hotel on May 31st 2011.

Connection?

Strauss-Kahn and Mahmoud Omar were close friends!!!

Now from what I gather, Strauss-Kahn was worried about a payment that was to be delivered to the IMF that was guaranteed by the USA in form of 190 tons of gold.....gold supposedly in Fort Knox!

It is also of my understanding that Strauss-Kahn met with a rogue CIA agent who proved there was no gold at Fort Knox. After Mahmoud Omar retrieved the evidence and handed it to Strauss-Kahn, he immediately caught the next flight out to Paris. So after the meeting Strauss-Kahn boarded a flight for Paris....leaving his cell phone in his hotel room so US agents could'nt track where he was. The mistake he made.....he contacted his hotel to forward his cell phone he intentionally left behind to his office or residence in Paris....via the phone in his 1st class seating.

Both Strauss-Kahn and Mahmoud Omar were set up!!!

US to default on it's $14T debt:

www.youtube.com...


The disappearence of the Fort Knox gold.....1975:

www.youtube.com...

Ron Paul....is the Fort Knox gold real? :

www.cnbc.com...



Now am I close enough????????



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 12:29 PM
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Originally posted by Violater1
Any time TPTB want you out, it's usually, for rape or child porn found on your computer.
I'm curious on how they would handle Hilary Clintstone if she screwed up.
As far as Strauss-Kahn being released, he probably will, only to die in an aircraft accident, with a bullet wound to the right side of his head (with a pistol in his left hand), and the official cause of death will be listed as a heart attack.


There are some pretty dark things about this story.

DSK course of defense seemed to take the stance that the sex was consensual.


During a hearing on Monday in Criminal Court in Manhattan, a lawyer for Mr. Strauss-Kahn, Benjamin Brafman, told a judge he believed the “forensic evidence” was “not consistent with forcible encounter.” www.nytimes.com...


His semen was reportedly found on her clothes.


Strauss-Kahn's lawyers said they needed six weeks to assess evidence collected by the US authorities. DNA matching Strauss-Kahn's has reportedly been found in semen on the maid's clothing and on carpet from his hotel room. Experts say the defence will probably argue that any sexual contact was consensual.www.guardian.co.uk...


So, I guess his wife Linda stands by him, as innocent of
rape but accepts that he had consensual sex. Thats dark, well at least IMO.

Now, on to Hillary. Well thats dark too, think about her aid, Abedin who is married to Wiener,
we can compare the spouses reactions.

Now that DSK is free, the story gets real interesting.




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posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 12:40 PM
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and ..not to forget.. he was an threat for mr sarcosy..as president....



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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I try to remain objective. One thing I would ask the maid if I could...

About the bank deposits, what where they for, loans, income, or gift?

And then if I could, I would ask DSK, when your married, and you go about your official
business with behavior like this, how do you think people see you?


The Post reported that Strauss-Kahn attempted to lure two attractive hotel employees to his $3,000-a-night hotel suite -- and later put the moves on an Air France flight attendant following his alleged sexual assault on a maid.

"What a nice a**!" he barked to the attendant, using the lewd French expression "Quel beau cul!" as she prepared the business-class cabin for takeoff last Saturday.

His catcall came just moments before Port Authority detectives hauled him off the plane, the French magazine Le Point reported.
Read more: www.nypost.com...



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 12:46 PM
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Abedin's family has close connections to the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt



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