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Originally posted by SFA437
The point I wish to get across to everyone here on ATS is that police officers and deputies come form society and that society as a whole shares in the responsibility for peace officers morphing into "law enforcement" such as we have today.
Originally posted by Kitilani
Originally posted by SFA437
The point I wish to get across to everyone here on ATS is that police officers and deputies come form society and that society as a whole shares in the responsibility for peace officers morphing into "law enforcement" such as we have today.
NOPE!
It is called personal responsibility.
When a cop acts out of line that is his fault, not mine.
Originally posted by SFA437
The point I wish to get across to everyone here on ATS is that police officers and deputies come form society and that society as a whole shares in the responsibility for peace officers morphing into "law enforcement" such as we have today.
We have become less civil as a whole. I think we can all agree on this. We have become impatient, products of the societal push to immediate gratification. We hear the term "respect" bandied about without realizing that it needs to be earned and not just given. Heck in some neighborhoods not giving proper "respect" will get you shot in the face (whatever "respect" means to the banger in question). We have become a more violent society (physically and financially) as the "I'm going to get mine" attitude has pervaded every strata of society from the poorest guy living in a cardboard box to the corporate boardrooms and the highest elected offices.
Keeping all of that in mind, being a peace officer today is MUCH harder than it used to be. It requires dedication, hard work and eating a LOT of crow from society as a whole. Being a "law enforcement officer" is easier- MUCH easier.
So how do we, as a society, make the necessary changes to our police forces to return to where we should be?
My own opinion based on 12 years as a peace officer:
Restore "beat cops". Police officers are isolated from the community in cruisers. While he vehicle is an important piece of equipment there should also be officers walking downtown, getting to know the neighborhood and interacting with the community.
Officer involvement in the community through the Police Athletic Leagues, Explorer programs and community activities like playground construction and graffiti abatement. Suggest to your mayor and town council that officers actually be forced to spend one day a week (paid if necessary) to engage in these activities. Once the officers get to know the people and vice-versa there is going to be a level of respect that is earned that goes both ways.
Solid training by experienced Field Training Officers. Having a good FTO program in place is key. This is where a department can weed out those unsuitable for the job and mold the upcoming officers into being community oriented peace officers versus a badge heavy LEO.
Elect officials such as mayors and councilmen who will back these ideas 110% as the prevailing societal culture is ingrained from the day the officers are children and first exposed to society as whole. There will be resistance to change but with any organization- reform MUST come from the top down. This is the starting point.
Appoint citizen/police review councils where controversial arrests/actions can be reviewed by both civilians and police. Make the proceedings transparent and available to the public. These councils I have found to be TREMENDOUSLY helpful to both the department and the community and show that the concerns of the community are taken seriously and addressed.
Originally posted by Lightrule
Not to be disrespectful, but shut up, just shut up about this already. In an age where almost every employer short of fast food is asking for a degree of some sort, you are not special when your job requires dedication and hard work. Guess what? All ours demand the same, oh yeah and EVERYONE takes flack from the public, ever seen what the cashier at McDonalds is treated like? Doctors and nurses? Lawyers? Garbage men? Lots of people put up with the same garbage not just you. Its not an excuse, deal with it.
Originally posted by Lightrule
3 great ideas. I'd love to also see officers paired up on the beat for safety, then I would like to disarm them fully short of their baton and pepper spray. Like in England, while police cannot see the logic in this it would actually solve a number of problems. Officers that are minimally armed will be forced to think through a situation more carefully, they will automatically have more respect for the person they are dealing with as they know they cannot just point a gun in his face and tell him to lay down. Officers will be forced to communicate clearly their intentions and instructions. Rather than what we are seeing more and more of today... Cops barking orders like the King of England to "Sit down, shut up, stay and obey."
Originally posted by Kitilani
reply to post by SFA437
No.
I do not need to change a damn thing in order for bad cops to stop being bad cops. Bad cops have to stop being bad cops. It is not my job to babysit rogue cops.
Originally posted by thoughtsfull
Sadly it is my humble opinion that a police man (part of my community) does not create the revenue stream a police officer (enforcement officer) does..
Originally posted by Lightrule
How about instead of posting on ATS about what changes should be made you go out there and get yourself featured on the next youtube video as the peace officer that stood for peace by sticking your size 11 boot down a LEO's throat the next time they are caught abusing the law. Then maybe then you could come back here and lay down the respect peace officers card... Just sayin'.
-Lightrule
Originally posted by SFA437
Nobody said you have to babysit anyone... anywhere... ever.
My point AGAIN was there needs to be personal responsibility both within a police department as well as in the community.
The personal responsibility within the department is for the officer to not interfere in the lives of the community unless there is danger to the common good of the community. It is the community's responsibility to elect representatives who will, through authority of their office, ensure that the department they run is run according to the wishes of the community and punish those who cross that line.
If the extent of your involvement in a very serious issue is whinging on an internet forum without doing whatever you can to affect change then you are part of the problem.
Again- nothing was said about you babysitting. Just making that clear.edit on 30-6-2011 by SFA437 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by Lightrule
reply to post by SFA437
So... You are just a peace officer in name, not in action?
We're doomed.
-Lightrule
Originally posted by Kitilani
Yes, you did. You are about to say it again.
Originally posted by Kitilani
To make bad cops stop being bad cops?
Originally posted by Kitilani
That is their responsibility.
Originally posted by Kitilani
Mine is to not break the law.
Originally posted by Kitilani
So your grand idea is that things should be as they are? Cuz that is how it is done around here.
Originally posted by Kitilani
What the hell are you even talking about anymore? Do you know?
Originally posted by Kitilani
The point of your thread is that I need to do my part to make bad cops good. No, I do not.