posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 11:57 AM
Originally posted by CaptChaos
Originally posted by watcher3339
Now, as far as the actual health care goes: the rest of the developed (and a few developing) countries that offer universal healthcare could not get
the results that they do without a private U.S. system. Innovation happens here. And it is expensive. The research and development costs of all the
failed projects get rolled into the cost of the projects that yield results. On one level I am more than okay with that because we do get those break
throughs. And, if you have a good health care plan, you can take advantage of it at a reasonable cost.
But, when those break throughs trickle overseas the U.S. consumer is already covering the cost of the research. So it is much cheaper.
A nationalized payer system: the part that was left out of "ObamaCare" would stop that since everyone would be covered but other than the fact that
it relates to a touch feely thing like health care such an idea is totally anathema to our system, culture, and national identity.
People who run things in other countries can't really want to see that happen either. How would they make their nationalized system work without the
U.S. absorbing the research cost?
I don't know the answer.
What is all this "innovation" and "development" you are talking about? The innovation of hundreds of new wonder drugs every year, untested yet
foisted on an unsuspecting populace? The development of new ways to gouge you on the billing, and mandatory ripoff insurance?
Humans have not changed, nor have the things that make you healthy. As posted above, what has changed is the DIET. You are all eating poison all the
Remember YOU ARE WHAT YOU EAT. This could not be more true. Your entire body is made out of stuff you ate. So if all you eat is McDonalds and other
garbage, YOUR BODY IS MADE OF GARBAGE. Chances are you will get sick all the time. But just pop your wonder drugs that your local pusher, I mean
doctor, pushed on you and you will be fine!
Oh let's be realistic. You want to talk about food, I addressed that and don't entirely disagree with you. But your head is truly in the sand if
you think that is all that there is to life. Is it a part of it? Yes. Certainly. I am an Atkins fan and he said much of what you did and was
ridiculed for it.
However, there are other things that make you sick. There are injuries, broken bones, genetic diseases and disorders. And the U.S. has long led the
way in medical intervention and then the rest of the world copies what we have done. I do believe that vaccines prevent disease. Yes, they sometimes
are catastrophic. That frightens me. But on the whole, "herd" immunity is a good thing.
Machines are a part of innovation too. There are ways to improve eyesight, hearing. There are ways to regain some of what has been lost. There is
surgery to repair and, when needed remove. There are technology innovations to assist in specific diagnosis. There is study of disease and ways to
treat and eliminate it.
If you don't believe in any of those things. If you find all of them worthless, well, you are certainly enttitled to your opinion, but quite
frankly, that would put us in such different places on the issue of medicine in general that there would be no point in our interacting further.
When someone you love is saved by such technology you might gain respect for it.
I have already experienced that and so I already have that respect.