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EPA On Radiation Alert As Fires Reach 50 Feet From Los Alamos Nuke Plant

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posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 05:26 AM
reply to post by Ben81

Just curiouse what you ate in the game Fallout3

posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 05:27 AM

Originally posted by verschickter
reply to post by Ben81

as you can see, they´re just saying everything is ok.... Wonder if their heads roll when it all comes up (in assumption they´re lying to us)

I have learned that when they say its ok .. IT IS NOT
they only release positive statements for strategic reasons
and to protect the economy so they can continu stealing from the mass and fill their pockets
until everything really collapse

Edit for : The Great Day
what i ate in fallout ?? mutant mole rat meat ?

edit on 6/30/2011 by Ben81 because: (no reason given)

posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 05:30 AM
You'd think our government considers the Los Alamos Nuclear Plant important enough to remove every last barrel of toxic waste from the facility when even a hint of problem occurs. In this case it's a raging wildfire that's been creeping toward it for days... Don't we have a National Guard & many reservists for this? Who is managing this place?

I mean didn't anyone see this coming? Jet Stream - O - Rama. The whole of Texas, the Midwest, the South and most of the eastern seaboard for that matter is potentially downwind from there.

Since this is a conspiracy site I want to note that if this gets out of hand, then the nuclear lobby is dodging plumes now.

posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 05:38 AM
reply to post by The Great Day

So is there a water bombers union strike happening now or something?

The only reason fire would get that close to explode the barrels is if they wanted it too.

You have that right!!!

The Ammo dumps at the army bases I was posted at are in underground in bunkers surrounded by chainlink and covered with grass that is grazed by sheep so there is no possibility of sparks.

Sheep graze so close to the ground that it looks like a putting green, adding a few goats takes care of any weeds the sheep will not eat.

The fires in Victoria Australia and in California showed us the importance of firebreaks and clearing brush away from buildings and towns in fire prone areas.

“We’ve lost two people in my family because you dickheads won’t cut trees down…”

...The recent fires in Australia and the loss of life and property were apparently compounded by a draconian policy that prevented people who lived in the fire threat zones from cutting trees and brush near their properties. We witnessed something equally tragic in Lake Tahoe fire in 2007, owing to similar eco driven government stupidity forcing heavy handed policies there. Residents couldn’t get permits to cut down brush and trees, the result was a firestorm of catastrophic proportions.

A family in Australia saw the threat, decided on civil disobedience, cleared a firebreak, and got fined $50,000. They feel vindicated now, because their house is one of the few in Reedy Creek, Victoria, still standing, the only one in a two kilometer radius. Good for them.

The quote from the homeowner that is the title of this entry really does say it all. Here’s the story from The Sydney Morning Herald.

edit on 30-6-2011 by crimvelvet because: added URL for quote

posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 06:45 AM
reply to post by wardk28

...First it was Japan and now two areas in the US, all within 6 months of each other. I wonder what the odds are of 3 nuclear disasters, all in one year. Outside of nuclear war, I don't think anyone could have forseen these events. Just my 2 cents on the topic.....

The question is what reason is there for 3 nuclear disasters. A very simple answer is killing any hope for CHEAP energy.

Think about it.

How can the Elite like the Rockefeller control us and charge huge prices for oil and scare us into poverty with things like "Peak Oil" and the "population explosion" If science proves they are LYING!

Look what happen with Nuclear!

Energy is a prime requirement for civilization. Any where from animal muscle power to oil we depend on energy. We have had the solution for PEAK oil since the 1950's!

If you do a bit of poking around you find the Rockefellers aka Standard oil, funded a lot of the research on the medical problems from radiation poisoning. Also SOMEONE funded all those nuclear protesters here in the US, A Want Ad I saw in the 1985 Boston Globe said "Nuclear Protesters $10/hour"

The result: Everyone is scared to death of Nuclear especially the long term storage problems.

YOU are a SLAVE to the BANKSTERS and they want to keep it that way. Access to cheap CLEAN THORIUM nuclear power is NOT on the Banksters agenda for us so they must whip up fear of nuclear power again even though the reactors in Japan and the USA are URANIUM not THORIUM

Turn over any rock and you find a Bankster/oilman under it. The plan is to cripple and demolish the USA and to do that you starve the country of energy, food and resources.

China is building a Coal plant a WEEK, is currently building 27 new nuclear reactors and mining gold and other metals at a great rate. While our country goes down the tubes. Heck CHINA is mining GOLD here in the USA and RUSSIA is mining URANIUM!!!! yet AMERICAN companies are stopped from mining by the enviro-nuts and the United Nations!!!!!

Again do a bit of poking around we find:

In the 1950s and 1960s, U.S. scientists ignored thorium, and went with uranium because uranium produces plutonium the key ingredient in nuclear bombs. Change.ORG: nuclear energys clean little secret

When Change.ORG, Obama's cheering squad starts promoting nuclear especially abundant thorium the elite sucha as the Rockefellers and the European royal families knew they had a problem.

Enter weather control STAGE left:

Weather control is no myth: Scientists engineer thunderstorms over Abu Dhabi

Discussions of weather control technology used to be limited to the hushed gossip of conspiracy theorists, but it turns out the conspiracy theorists were right (again). Today in Abu Dhabi, scientists have successfully manipulated entire weather systems, causing up to fifty downpours of rain across the Al Ain region the desert nation over the last year.

It's all being accomplished by a team of scientists working for Sheikh Khalifa bin Zayed Al Nahyan, the president of United Arab Emirates.....

An added benefit is grabbing up prime mid west farmland.

George Soros enrolling in 1949 at that famous Fabian Socialist institution, the London School of Economics (LSE), where he studied philosophy and economics is the man buying up US farmland as we write.

As world population expands, the demand for arable land should soar. At least that's what George Soros, Lord Rothschild, and other investors believe.

Look Who’s Buying Up Flood Ravaged Farm Land

Cattle commodities broker Ann writes:

Two HUGE intel leads in my email box this morning from way-back contacts that I’ve had for years, that are actually somewhat connected concepts.

1. File this one under “Now It All Makes Sense”. A Missouri farming and ranching contact just got off a conference call wherein he was informed that the federal government is sending out letters to all of the flooded out farmers in the Missouri River flood plain and bottoms notifying them that the Army Corps of Engineers will offer to BUY THEIR LAND.

Intentionally flood massive acreage of highly productive farmground. Destroy people’s communities and homes. Catch them while they are desperate and afraid and then swoop in and buy the ground cheap. Those evil sons of bitches.

2. Speaking of evil sons of bitches, George Soros appears to be “investing” in farmground through the same puppet company that he used to get into the grain elevator and fertilizer business. The company is called Ospraie Capital Management and is buying up farmground in a joint venture with Teays River Investments as a partner. Here is that announcement:....

Couple this with the Food "Safety" Modernization act and you will see a mass exit of independent farmers in the US as Monsanto (now buying up ORGANIC FARMS) Smithfield and others move in.

In the words of Henry Kissinger:

Control oil (energy) and you control nations; control food and you control the people; control money and you control the world

More info on Thorium (a different chemical element than uranium)

The Basics
.... This thorium fuel cycle carries with it a number of important natural properties some of which contrast sharply with the uranium fuel cycle:

-At no point in the thorium cycle – from mining to waste – can fuel or waste products be used as bomb material in any way;

-The thorium fuel cycle is inherently incapable of causing a meltdown according to the laws of physics; in nuclear reactor parlance, the fuel is said to contain passive safety features;

-Thorium-based fuels do not require conversion or enrichment – two essential phases of the uranium fuel cycle that are exceedingly expensive, and create proliferation risk;

-Thorium fuel cycle waste material consists mostly of 233-uranium, which can be recycled as fuel (with minor actinide content decreased 90-100%, and with plutonium content eliminated entirely);
-Thorium-based fuels are significantly energy efficient;

-Thorium fuel cycle waste material is radiotoxic for tens of years, as opposed to the thousands of years with today’s standard radioactive waste;

-Thorium fuel designs exist today that can be used in all existing nuclear reactors;

-Thorium exists in greater abundance and higher concentrations than uranium making it much less expensive and environmentally-unobtrusive to mine;

These facts have many serious implications for the efficiency and security of energy delivery in the United States, and the world. SOURCE

A Chronology of Nuclear History

Reintroducing Thorium: Chem & Eng News

...Even smaller reactors might be built.... In the future, personal vehicles may be powered by the slow burning of thorium,....

Thorium is an interesting element and has uses other than as a nuclear fuel by the way.

From some of my very recent reading from better sources:

World Nuclear Assoc:

....Thorium continues to be a tanatalising possibility for use in nuclear power reactors, though for many years India has been the only sponsor of major research efforts to use it. Other endeavours include the development of the Radkowsky Thorium Reactor concept being carried out by US company Thorium Power (now Lightbridge Corporation) with Russian collaboration.

In mid-2009, AECL signed agreements with three Chinese entities to develop and demonstrate the use of thorium fuel in the Candu reactors at Qinshan in China. Thorium-232 (Th-232) decays very slowly (its half-life is about three times the age of the Earth) but other thorium isotopes occur in its and in uranium's decay chains. Most of these are short-lived and hence much more radioactive than Th-232, though on a mass basis they are negligible....

Thorite (ThSiO4) is another common mineral. A large vein deposit of thorium and rare earth metals is in Idaho.

The article then goes on to explain how Thorium is used as a fuel

Thorium as a nuclear fuel

Thorium, as well as uranium, can be used as a nuclear fuel. Although not fissile itself, Th-232 will absorb slow neutrons to produce uranium-233 (U-233)a, which is fissile (and long-lived). The irradiated fuel can then be unloaded from the reactor, the U-233 separated from the thorium, and fed back into another reactor as part of a closed fuel cycle. Alternatively, U-233 can be bred from thorium in a blanket, the U-233 separated, and then fed into the core.

In one significant respect U-233 is better than uranium-235 and plutonium-239, because of its higher neutron yield per neutron absorbed. Given a start with some other fissile material (U-233, U-235 or Pu-239) as a driver, a breeding cycle similar to but more efficient than that with U-238 and plutonium (in normal, slow neutron reactors) can be set up. (The driver fuels provide all the neutrons initially, but are progressively supplemented by U-233 as it forms from the thorium.) However, there are also features of the neutron economy which counter this advantage. In particular the intermediate product protactinium-233 (Pa-233) is a neutron absorber which diminishes U-233 yield.

Developing a thorium-based fuel cycle

Despite the thorium fuel cycle having a number of attractive features, development has always run into difficulties.

The main attractive features are:

* The possibility of utilising a very abundant resource which has hitherto been of so little interest that it has never been quantified properly.
* The production of power with few long-lived transuranic elements in the waste.
* Reduced radioactive wastes generally.
[problems listed]
* Some concern over weapons proliferation risk of U-233 (if it could be separated on its own), although many designs such as the Radkowsky Thorium Reactor address this concern.

* The technical problems (not yet satisfactorily solved) in reprocessing solid fuels. However, with some designs, in particular the molten salt reactor (MSR), these problems are likely to largely disappear.

Much development work is still required before the thorium fuel cycle can be commercialised, and the effort required seems unlikely while (or where) abundant uranium is available. In this respect, recent international moves to bring India into the ambit of international trade might result in the country ceasing to persist with the thorium cycle, as it now has ready access to traded uranium and conventional reactor designs.

Nevertheless, the thorium fuel cycle, with its potential for breeding fuel without the need for fast neutron reactors, holds considerable potential in the long-term. It is a significant factor in the long-term sustainability of nuclear energy....

Further Information

a. Neutron absorption by Th-232 produces Th-233, which has a half-life of about 22 minutes. This undergoes beta decay to form Pa-233 (half-life 27 days), most of which forms U-233 by further beta decay. Around 11% of the U-233 is converted by further neutron absorption to U-235, which is the fissile isotope of uranium used in conventional nuclear reactors. [Back]

b. For utilization of uranium in a typical light water reactor, see section on Material balance in the nuclear fuel cycle in the information page on The Nuclear Fuel Cycle. [Back]

c. Development of the pebble bed modular reactor (PBMR) by the South Africa's Pebble Bed Modular Reactor (Pty) Limited was curtailed in 2010 due to a lack of funding. [Back]

d. Thorium Power (now Lightbridge Corporation, was formed in 1992 to develop Radkowsky's nuclear fuel designs, which would not produce weapons suitable plutonium in nuclear waste. In April 2007, the company formed an alliance with Red Star nuclear design bureau in Russia to take forward the programme to demonstrate the technology in lead-test fuel assemblies in full-sized commercial reactors. In December 2008, Thorium Power became the first US company to sign an agreement with an Indian company (engineering firm Punj Lloyd) following the finalization of the US-India nuclear trade agreement. The company changed its name to Lightbridge Corporation in September 2009. [Back]

Going on to Lightbridge Corporation: [LARGE GRAIN OF SALT????]

About Thorium

* Thorium is a naturally occurring, slightly radioactive metal, and it has been considered as an alternative nuclear fuel to uranium.

* Unlike uranium, thorium is non-proliferative: The key advantage of the thorium fuel cycle is that it does NOT produce
plutonium and is non-proliferative for that reason.

* The energy contained in one kilogram of thorium equals that of four thousand tons of coal.

* The energy stored in the earth's thorium reserves is thought to be greater than that available from all other conventional (fossil) and nuclear fuels combined.

* Thorium is cheaper and more abundant than uranium (approx three times more abundant in the Earth's crust than all
forms of uranium combined).

* The thorium fuel cycle produces less radioactive waste than uranium (1,000 to 10,000 times less than in conventional

* Unlike natural uranium where only the 0.7% sliver of isotope 235 is fissionable, thorium is fully used in the fuel cycle.

* Unlike uranium, thorium can burn plutonium waste from traditional nuclear reactors with additional energy output.

* Unlike uranium, thorium is not suitable for the production of weapons-grade materials.

* Global reserves of thorium (India, Australia, Norway and the U.S. possess the largest reserves) could cover the world’s energy needs for thousands of years.

AND following that sites suggestions:

Key Attributes of Lightbridge’s Thorium-Based Advanced Nuclear Fuel Designs:

* Once-through fuel cycle based on patented seed and blanket fuel assembly design that efficiently utilizes thorium – no reprocessing of used fuel needed to take advantage of thorium (fissile isotope U-233 bred from thorium is burned in situ providing up to one-third of total reactor power output)
* Full compatibility with existing light water reactor designs (no major reactor modifications required)
* Enhanced proliferation resistance of the used fuel (no weapons-suitable material in used fuel and increased fraction of even Pu isotopes)
* Reduced natural uranium requirements (up to 10% natural uranium savings)
* Reduced volume (up to 40% reduction) and long-term radio-toxicity (up to 90% reduction) of used fuel
* Improved fuel cycle economics (cost competitive on the front-end with significant cost savings expected on the back-end)

Lightbridge’s Thorium-Based Seed-And-Blanket Fuel Designs Lightbridge's patented seed-and-blanket fuel assembly consists of two sections: (1) the central region called the seed that is surrounded by (2) fuel rods in the outer region called the blanket.

The seed incorporates proprietary all-metal fuel rods which differ from conventional fuel rods and offer certain reactor safety and cost benefits. The seed rods are comprised of a zirconium-based alloy produced using a co-extrusion fabrication process.

The blanket is comprised of thorium-uranium oxide pelletized fuel rods similar to that of conventional fuel rods presently used in commercial light water reactors. The main difference between the blanket fuel rods and conventional fuel rods is the material contained in the pellets: thorium-uranium oxide (Th,U)O2 mixture in the blanket rods vs. uranium oxide (UO2) in conventional uranium fuel rods.

Within the thorium-based fuel product family, we currently have three types, or variants, of thorium-based fuel designs in various stages of development. The first is designed to provide reactor owners/operators with a proliferation resistant fuel technology that will not generate weapons-usable plutonium in the spent fuel. The second is designed to dispose of reactor-grade plutonium that has been extracted from spent fuel from commercial reactors. The third is designed to dispose of weapons-grade plutonium that is stockpiled in Russia and the United States.

Uranium-Zirconium Metal Seed and Thorium-Uranium Oxide Blanket Fuel Design
Lightbridge’s primary thorium-based fuel design incorporates δ-phase uranium-zirconium metal fuel rods in the seed region and thorium-uranium oxide fuel rods in the blanket region. This fuel design offers enhanced proliferation resistance, a significant reduction in used fuel volume and weight (up to 40% and 70%, respectively) and reduced long-term radio-toxicity (90% reduction) of used fuel. The fuel design also provides improved fuel cycle economics, particularly on the back-end. In some earlier technical publications, this fuel design has also been referred to as Radkowsky Thorium Fuel or RTF....

posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 10:39 PM
I am surprised this thread isn't getting more action...maybe we are all Fukashima'd out.

Any updates?

posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 11:16 PM
Personally I believe the PTB want people to be afraid to come to NM since the Dulce shaft can only hold so many elites!

When the New Madrid blows and California becomes an inland sea, trust me, New Mexico will be safe!

Darn those Elites, but we have them foiled, we will just be sitting here when they come crawling out! LOL

posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 11:40 PM
20,000 to 30,000 barrels of nuclear waste, stored above ground, in fabric tents.

That's right up there with some of the dumbest things a person can do.

Watchdog group Concerned Citizens for Nuclear Safety said earlier this week that the drums were awaiting transport to a low-level radiation dump site elsewhere in the state, but Los Alamos County Fire Chief Douglas Tucker told Reuters on Tuesday that none of the drums would be moved.

“It is safer where it is,” he said.

LOL. This situation isn't funny by any means, but seriously... How do these people get their jobs?

posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 01:01 AM
reply to post by drsamuelfrancis

No one was online then and was pretty late. They all seemed to be aware anyway and most had evacuated out to Albuquerque and Santa Fe. They all know but there isn't much you can do when you have no where else to go ya know.

posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 01:15 AM
Maybe they didn't have time to get all those barrels of plutonium out of there because they've been too busy moving all of the nuclear warheads ?

Priorities, priorities...

posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 01:15 AM
reply to post by Ben81

I already have this thread going

posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 01:38 AM
Great, my house just burned down and all my masks and Radiation protection with it. Back to survival 101. I will keep an eye on this thread. This was unexpected.

posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 02:10 AM
I don't know, but looking at were they store the contaminated artifacts, there doesn't seem to be a lot of fuel to keep the fair burning those facilities down. It looks like a pretty defensible position for containing any threat there might be from a wildfire standpoint. But we'll see! If the Feds do manage to scre this one up, the LAWSUITS will be unreal!. Additionally, you'd think they would have buried that stuff after the last close call they had with a wildfire. Google Earth gives a pretty good view of the storage facilities.

posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 03:36 AM

Originally posted by antar
Great, my house just burned down and all my masks and Radiation protection with it. Back to survival 101. I will keep an eye on this thread. This was unexpected.

Your house just burmed down ??
what is your location ??

damn the USA in a yrs never got so many houses being destroyed ..
huge tornadoes .. huge flood situation (even here in quebec) and now we got fire covering so much ground

we really need to prepare .. so many are taking this like a joke
buy reserve of water and food.. the most important things
we depend so much of things that wont be available in any emergency situation

just think .. once the water,electricity and your grocery store have no more food
what will you do ????
thats why we need to at least make provision for WATER and then pack up some food that
in cans or dry out food

good luck to all
sorry for you house if thats true
hope the familly is okay

posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 10:02 AM

Originally posted by antar
Great, my house just burned down and all my masks and Radiation protection with it. Back to survival 101. I will keep an eye on this thread. This was unexpected.

You cant just leave us hanging like this esarc or reality?

let us know

posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 12:23 PM
reply to post by Observer99

The one you are having trouble remembering is the Grand Gulf Nuclear Plant in Mississippi. Wasn't much of a crisis as far as I can tell, but any release of radiation, especially into a delicate ecosystem such as surrounds the Mississippi River, can't be good.

posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 04:59 PM
reply to post by The Great Day

I truly appreciate the question, yes it is very much true, we are all safe but everything was a total, the fire inspector did have some odd comments about my bug out gear, and asked what I was doing with the melted M10masks, lol, I told him that I was prepared for anything chemical, biological or nuclear, or was.

He also became speechless when out of the rubble my suitcase filled with RX Tamiflu came rolling out half burnt.
I said that was nothing as I had everything from aspirin to morphine, or did. My medical supplies burned for days literally. Now 12 days later the fires are still burning and we are living in my travel trailer and fighting the flies.

Oh one very funny thing was that with enough canned goods stored for 9 people for 1 year it was comical, the cans were exploding for days I personally saw an entire can of tomato soup go flying all in one blob and peaches spring out and go 10 feet high.

My blow torch made quite the explosion but not as big as the side by side fridge.
I wasnt here when that went but the firefighters said it scared the poop out of them.

There is alot more to tell but I need to take time when the fires die and visit the survival forum as this was so significant and I learned so much, the main thing is that I have always told others the first step in preparedness is in the mind, and I never thought I would have to see the day I would be reminding myself of that fact.

You know one more thing, if I attempted to claim everything for insurance, they would never believe it. So Ill just claim the 'normal' stuff if you know what I mean.

Anyway, not on much right now and just learning how to use a mouseless computer laptop, so talk again in the future.

posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 05:07 PM
reply to post by Ben81

Ah just opened your message, so read my comments above, you are absoloutley right, we have never felt individually as if it will really affect us personally, and thats a dangerous place to be now. You can lose everything but I think being so well prepared also enabled me to be more ready for this even though it left us with nothing and back to square one.

It is not as overwhelming as it once seemd to be as prepared as I was and could be again. It took years to establish a strong base but I fear time is not on my side for the future, so I reprioritize and move forward...

posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 05:24 PM
reply to post by antar

"So Ill just claim the 'normal' stuff if you know what I mean. "

In my humble opinion you seem to have a very well "Documented" claim for ALL of your lost items.

LEAVE nothing out,,

12 cases of "Refried Beans" ain't cheap!

And you have shown Due Diligence in preparing for a disaster which indeed happened.

Very wise of you. In a court of Law that is,, although American Law may differer.

edit on 1-7-2011 by BobAthome because: (no reason given)

posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 05:32 PM
It's a shame there's no drones that can drop 2000 lbs of WATER. Proof we spend too much money on making weapons to destroy each other, instead of making things for the good of mankind. High tech killing machines flying overseas while the people at home watch their lives go up in smoke. Maybe mother nature should be considered a terrorist group, that might swing the priorities a bit.

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