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Were the founding fathers of the USA involved in getting us where we are now?

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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:57 PM
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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:57 PM
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the reason america is in the state it is in, is because it has been hijacked by two political parties that hold the keys to every position of power in government.

and on top of that they are fighting for complete control and effectively a dictatorship of america.

what would happen if every seat, governorship, presidency, congress, mayor and municipal government where one party.

that is what each party strives for. complete control of power. the founding fathers were better off outlawing political parties.

and each seat in government held by the people of the district who voted their representatives.

right know you have democrats and republicans flying all over the country claiming residency so their party can have that position in the government.

hillary clinton, a native or arkansas, is a good example. she just flew into new york and became senator.
solely because the majority of new yorkers are democrats.

an native and lifelong arkansawyer shouldn't be representing the people of new york. but in this case it's democrats electing a democrat for power.

i think this goes against the whole spirit of representative government and the intent of the constitution and it is a loop hole being exploited by both parties.

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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:57 PM
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You just gave me my laugh for today! Thanks.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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reply to post by IPILYA
 


Why was Lincoln assassinated then? I heard he ticked off the Illuminati somehow.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:00 PM
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Bubba
It's not that old. It almost reads like a novel. Not like a textbook at all. I hope you can find it and enjoy it.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:01 PM
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Will look at this when I get a chance. Thank you!



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:03 PM
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From the best guess I have it was due to the desire to lift the state of emergency and return the Country to its Nation States status. Lincolns mistake was not making slavery illegal in all States instead of just the South. He was our first black president so you know whos side he was really on.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:05 PM
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By your statement, it is apparent you haven't read the Declaration Of Independence. What is happening now has happened before. Technology is different, the sinful nature of man isn't. The founding fathers wanted to make sure that it couldn't happen here. Not easily. The 2nd amendment is our last resort for keeping us free. To make sure that we had a weapon to fight tyranny. They saw in their own time the problems we are seeing today and they wrote it to fight the same problem. Greed and thirst of power.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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I've seen this quote a good many times on here so I'll share it with everyone.


“Every generation needs a new revolution.” -Thomas Jefferson


The amending process was added so that the Constitution could adapt to the future, and so that the Constitution would not just be an archaic document. This does seem like a very good idea, but those in power have turned this good idea into a way that restricts us further. This isn't true for all amendments that were later added, just a few (one of which was appealed).

I don't believe that when the founding fathers envisioned the future of the country they were making, they didn't see our current state. I'm sure they would call for a revolution, for the government to be sacked, and for amendments to be put into place to further protect the people from the government, and the government from itself.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:41 PM
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Yep. And until the people realize what kind of a mess we are in, we are screwed.

I've been trying to wake people up, but they think i'm crazy!



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:44 PM
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Are you saying Lincoln was part black? I never heard that before.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:47 PM
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His mother slept with one of her husbands slaves and became pregnant making him just like Obama. I will try and get you a link.
 


Abraham Lincoln's mother was having an affair with a black plantation worker and new DNA evidence suggests that she somehow tricked her husband into believing that Abraham was the couples child. Secret love letters unearthed in 2003 reveal that Lincoln's mother was conducting a clandestine affair with a slave named Iemis from a Kentucky plantation.

www.dailysquib.co.uk...
more...
www.africaresource.com...:the-black-presidents-of-united-states-of-america&catid=141:politics&Ite mid=350
fookembug.wordpress.com...

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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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Holy Moly are you serious? The textbooks in our school have always painted him a white man.. well I already know the textbooks in our schools have been doctored.

The education system is the final net they use to catch people who slide through all the little cracks! Making us go to school, just to indoctrinate us! The sooner we start a revolution, the sooner things will get better.

Don't you all worry though, the Illuminati want a revolution in the US. Or at least that's the way it seems. Why else would they be doing all of this? Making the rich get richer, and the poor get poorer, pretty soon people regardless if they know the truth or not are going to get fed up with these liars.

The hackers are already paving the way for the next revolution. I read in an article the other day that the main hacker group that was responsible for all the main hack attacks are done with their hacking.. But you never know if that will spark an unexpected chain of events to happen next, which ultimately lead to the next revolution.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by IPILYA
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His mother slept with one of her husbands slaves and became pregnant making him just like Obama. I will try and get you a link.


Yes, evidence please.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:57 PM
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Originally posted by HolyandClean
It just doesn't make any sense to me. Why would the founding fathers design a perfectly well balanced system, one where we couldn't get enslaved, if they were involved in the illuminati? I know they were all Freemasons, but think about it, Freemasonry must have been something totally different back then. Had to be.
No. Freemasonry hasn't changed in almost 300 years, really. The same things those guys believed are still taught in the lodge. Your mistake is thinking that the Illuminati has anything at all to do with the Masons. The Masons are still fighting the good fight, but they don't have nearly the influence they did 200 years ago, or even 50 years ago.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 11:04 PM
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reply to post by HolyandClean
 


I added it to my last post.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 11:27 PM
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reply to post by IPILYA
 


I was looking for a more high-profile source.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 11:48 PM
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How about ABCs The View...
theview.abc.go.com...
Academia.org
www.academia.org...


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posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 12:19 AM
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The way I look at it is that our founding fathers knew there would be people who would try to take advantage of our liberty's and freedom, because they themselves wanted liberty and freedom (which is why in 1776 we received the perfect blueprint, that granted us these). Now as far as the Illuminati goes, I don't believe in any of that, instead I see offshore banking, the federal reserve, and corporations as the true corruption and evil...but that's just my 2 cents




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