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WikiLeaks document on Gaza blockade puts Israel's flotilla hasbara to shame

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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 08:20 PM
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WikiLeaks document on Gaza blockade puts Israel's flotilla hasbara to shame


mondoweiss.net

As the second “Freedom Flotilla” to Gaza attempts to overcome the various obstacles in its way, the Israeli security establishment is busy trying to confuse people about the economic situation in Gaza. There’s just one big problem with their strategy: a cable written by a U.S. diplomat about the Gaza blockade makes any Israeli propaganda claim about the Gaza Strip moot.

Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barak recently said that the flotilla of ships set to sail to break the Israeli naval blockade was unnecessary because “there is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza.” Similarly, Israel Defe
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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 08:20 PM
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No matter which side of the fence you sit on in the whole Gaza/Israel debacle, surely we can all agree that stopping aid to the deprived children of Gaza is wrong on every level.

A lot of these kids just want to have the necessities they deserve as innocent human beings. Depriving them of the aid that the flotilla's bring, and then trying to skewer the perception of Gaza's depravity by claiming they have the luxury of exporting HD TV's, is social restriction and media propaganda at its most absurd.

mondoweiss.net
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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 08:29 PM
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But you don't seem to understand Hamas can build rockets out of chocolate bars and toothpaste. Kudos to them for having the foresight to enlist MacGyver to their cause.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 08:31 PM
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No matter which side are you on, surely you can agree that if you have a 100% clear way of getting your aid into Gaza (through Egypt's newly opened passage), and you deliberately choose not to use this way, but choose another completely impossible way - trying to break a naval blockade, you do not really intend of getting your aid into Gaza.

Therefore, the claim of stopping aid to reach Gaza is irrelevant.

Not to mention that the flotilla can transfer it's aid through Israel by docking at Ashdod port and having the cargo inspected. But yeah, considering many of you guys see something wrong in an Israeli inspection (whatever..) let's forget this method of delivery. You're still left with the method of passing it from Egypt, and they ignore it and choose the completely impossible way.

Conclusion - this flotilla campaign is nothing but an attempt to obtain bad PR for Israel, and it's working only with people who already hate Israel.



Also, you seem to make the impression that these flotillas will deliver so much aid into Gaza that it will end any crisis instantly. That is wrong and misleading. In fact, the whole fleet together will not bring more than a weekly UN aid that is transported through Israel weekly (50 Tonnes more or less). Stopping these ships will not cause a disaster to anyone but the flotilla organizers.
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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 08:48 PM
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Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
No matter which side are you on, surely you can agree that if you have a 100% clear way of getting your aid into Gaza (through Egypt's newly opened passage), and you deliberately choose not to use this way, but choose another completely impossible way - trying to break a naval blockade, you do not really intend of getting your aid into Gaza.

Therefore, the claim of stopping aid to reach Gaza is irrelevant.

Not to mention that the flotilla can transfer it's aid through Israel by docking at Ashdod port and having the cargo inspected. But yeah, considering many of you guys see something wrong in an Israeli inspection (whatever..) let's forget this method of delivery. You're still left with the method of passing it from Egypt, and they ignore it and choose the completely impossible way.

Conclusion - this flotilla campaign is nothing but an attempt to obtain bad PR for Israel, and it's working only with people who already hate Israel.



Also, you seem to make the impression that these flotillas will deliver so much aid into Gaza that it will end any crisis instantly. That is wrong and misleading. In fact, the whole fleet together will not bring more than a weekly UN aid that is transported through Israel weekly (50 Tonnes more or less). Stopping these ships will not cause a disaster to anyone but the flotilla organizers.
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Israel has no right to blockade Gaza. The Gaza war ended January 18, 2009 when it ended the blockades were supposed to end not to mention Israels presence in Gaza is illegal. Acquisition of territory by military conquest is illegal under international law.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 08:57 PM
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Then write your local politician about that. Why bring this up? Sure, it's illegal. Israel is the devil. Happy now?

The issue here is the fact that these people claim they want to bring aid into Gaza, yet they insist on using a sure way to fail. They don't want aid into Gaza, they want to fail, and try and cause bad PR for Israel.



I stopped caring for people who say Israel is evil LONG time ago. I don't care the slightest. And I can also understand why some people think that way.
You can say all you want about Israel and I won't care - but if you think these activists and their ships are after anything else but making bad PR for Israel you are sorely mistaken. Truth is, the flotilla wouldn't give two sh*ts if Gaza was burning. All they care about is making Israel look bad.

If you support that cause then it's your choice.. just don't mistake and mislead others by saying these folks really do want to help someone, because they don't.
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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:14 PM
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and if you think that the zionists, those butchers controlling mossad & tsahal give a damn about the israeli (jews) you are sorely mistaken as well.

revelation dear israeliguy : they will kill you too. You're in the same boat as the gaza people, but when you will realize it, it might well be too late already. hurry.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:18 PM
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Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
Then write your local politician about that. Why bring this up? Sure, it's illegal. Israel is the devil. Happy now?

The issue here is the fact that these people claim they want to bring aid into Gaza, yet they insist on using a sure way to fail. They don't want aid into Gaza, they want to fail, and try and cause bad PR for Israel.



I stopped caring for people who say Israel is evil LONG time ago. I don't care the slightest. And I can also understand why some people think that way.
You can say all you want about Israel and I won't care - but if you think these activists and their ships are after anything else but making bad PR for Israel you are sorely mistaken. Truth is, the flotilla wouldn't give two sh*ts if Gaza was burning. All they care about is making Israel look bad.

If you support that cause then it's your choice.. just don't mistake and mislead others by saying these folks really do want to help someone, because they don't.
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The flotilla isn't out to cause bad pr for Israel, Israel is more than capable of doing that themselves. My point was the blockade is illegal so why should these ships let Israel inspect anything.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:27 PM
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They could let Israel inspect their cargo, they could transport it through Egypt, or they can set sail here back and forth and cry about us not letting them in.

As long as they choose the latter option, you can't say they really do try to let the aid inside Gaza.
And yes, unfortunately, they do choose the latter, impossible way, and they are only after the bad PR for Israel whether you admit it or not.

It is simply for you to acknowledge it.



Analogy: Your loved ones are sick and they are currently on an island. To that island you have two paths - one safe path, and one with a monster guarding the island. You really want your loved ones cured.
What will you do?
1. Cross the safe path and let your loved ones have the cure?
Or
2. Go to the path where the monster stands, only so it would kick you out so you can go and whine at ATS about how mean the monster is?


I hope you try to understand what I'm saying instead of repeating yourself that the blockade is illegal. It doesn't even matter, we are discussing whether the flotilla is about helping the people of Gaza or trying to make Israel look bad. My analogy answers that question perfectly.
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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:36 PM
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Zioclowns!


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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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Originally posted by galactictuan
Zioclowns!

Thank you for your wonderful input.



Anyway I'll post this here since I've posted the same in a similar thread.

Head of Palestinian Authority prefers unity with Hamas over global aid

In March 2011, there were threats to cut off aid for the PA if it continued to move forward on a unity government with Hamas, unless Hamas formally renounced violence, recognized Israel, and accepted previous Israel-Palestinian agreements. Azzam Ahmed, spokesman for Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas responded by stating that the PA was willing to give up financial aid in order to achieve unity, "Palestinians need American money, but if they use it as a way of pressuring us, we are ready to relinquish that aid."


Makes a normal person think how much needed is the aid if he is willing to give it up only for a unity with Hamas, that would only push him further away from any global legitimacy anyway.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:25 PM
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Collective punishment is a crime against humanity, whether it is implemented through a blockade, or through concentration camps, or through Apartheid rule, all are regarded as collective punishment. Actually what Zionists in Palestine are doing isn't even collective punishment, their activities show clear signs of genocide.

The intention/agenda is very obvious to see, and some Zionist have confessed to the intention/agenda, and that is to wipe Palestinians off that land.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:29 PM
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If Israel wanted to wipe the Palestinians off the map it could've done so in under 5 minutes using less than a squadron of F15s. What stops us from doing that? Anti-Air systems? They've got none. Global opinion? You say we don't care and we do a genocide anyway.

Collective punishment? I think collective punishment is enforcing your iron fist over the entire population and subject everyone to follow your twisted religious way of life that it's only goal is going after the "Zionist enemy" even if that includes sending your first born son to suicide in a club.
If Hamas or any other radical organization wasn't in power, things would've been very easy to deal with.
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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
If Israel wanted to wipe the Palestinians off the map it could've done so in under 5 minutes using less than a squadron of F15s. What stops us from doing that? Anti-Air systems? They've got none. Global opinion? You say we don't care and we do a genocide anyway.


I will reply to you once, because you name makes this reply very exciting.

Uhm, let me clear my throat. Do you think the world just sat back and accepted the Holocaust? Legitimate question? So why doesn't Zionists wipe Palestinians in 5 minutes? Because they know what the world would do to them if they do. The world is already on one side, and Israel + US on the other, even though the genocide is implemented in a very slow pace.

Let me elaborate.

Zionists have killed thousands of women and children in brutal assaults, in the process destroying large % of structures, including schools, hospitals, ambulances etc..

This is done to force people to evacuate.. Then when they leave the land, they have a law set in place which will make it almost impossible for Palestinians to come back.

Blockade is in place to make life unbearable for those who stay through the terror of bombardments, mass bloodshed, and mass destruction. This is also done to squeeze people out, and once they are out, they want to make it almost impossible to come back in.

Simultaneously Jewish only colonies are built, expanding towards the land where Palestinians live, this has been happening non-stop for decades now. The the death and destruction is to force people to flee, to make way for these Jewish only settlements.

Clear trade mark of genocide, but to be fair, Zionists are not the first to have implemented such genocide in order to achieve their colonial ambitions, but they could be one of the few lasts.



Collective punishment? I think collective punishment is enforcing your iron fist over the entire population and subject everyone to follow your twisted religious way of life that it's only goal is going after the "Zionist enemy" even if that includes sending your first born son to suicide in a club.
If Hamas or any other radical organization wasn't in power, things would've been very easy to deal with.
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You can't blame everything on Hamas, infact Hamas is the product of Zionist genocidal attempts, and was picked to govern Palestinians in a free and fair elections.

I don't think it is Hamas which is collectively punishing Palestinians, rather it is Zionists, I thought the whole world was aware of that; that is why I stated that your name makes it more interesting.

The blockade is implemented by Zionists, not by Palestinian Hamas. This is where the distinction between a resisting victim, and the victimizer comes in to play. I have noticed lately that Zionists try to blame the victim for the actions of the victimizers.

Some have the audacity to blame a rape victim for the heinous act committed against her. What is worse than that? What could be worse? Worse is when people justify more rape if the rape victim tries to resist.

That's exactly what is happening in Palestine.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by IsraeliGuy
If Israel wanted to wipe the Palestinians off the map it could've done so in under 5 minutes using less than a squadron of F15s. What stops us from doing that? Anti-Air systems? They've got none. Global opinion? You say we don't care and we do a genocide anyway.

Collective punishment? I think collective punishment is enforcing your iron fist over the entire population and subject everyone to follow your twisted religious way of life that it's only goal is going after the "Zionist enemy" even if that includes sending your first born son to suicide in a club.
If Hamas or any other radical organization wasn't in power, things would've been very easy to deal with.
edit on 29-6-2011 by IsraeliGuy because: (no reason given)


Hilarious that govts like the usa & isreal toss out subjective un-proven terms like "radical organization".. then use them as if its a well known fact. Who decided this?.. wasn't hamas duly elected by the people?.. if so, why cant others respect the will of the people?

I missed the fair open process where facts were separated from propaganda and hamas was declared "radical".. lol, as in like "legally radical"?.. they're a political organization that's un-popular with the globalists assclowns.. anyone the oligarchs dont like gets painted with the stale broad brush of being "crazy" and "extreme"..lol.. as if israels economic terrorism isn't radical.. it's warm'n fuzzy

I've never met anyone from hamas.. although based on the brainwashed GOP & DNC globalists lackeys I've met, I'd say republican & democrat loyalists are more radical.. and scary.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:59 PM
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So more expired medicine and food, broken wheelchairs and junk on it's way to Gaza.....of which Hamas will reject again!



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 11:04 PM
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Originally posted by IsraeliGuy

Analogy: Your loved ones are sick and they are currently on an island. To that island you have two paths - one safe path, and one with a monster guarding the island. You really want your loved ones cured.
What will you do?
1. Cross the safe path and let your loved ones have the cure?
Or
2. Go to the path where the monster stands, only so it would kick you out so you can go and whine at ATS about how mean the monster is?



It is nice to see you make Israel the metaphorical Monster - at last we have something we can agree on! :O)



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 11:07 PM
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NetanYAHOO himself said he was putting the Palestinians "on a diet" and has since let VERY little aid through any route to Gaza.

They live in a walled city with very few checkpoints, some might call it a ghetto, and even more might liken it to the ones the Nazi's use to keep the Jews in.



posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 12:55 AM
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As part of their overall embargo plan against Gaza, Israeli officials have confirmed to econoffs on multiple occasions that they intend to keep the Gazan economy on the brink of collapse without quite pushing it over the edge


Quite a sinister policy when you think about it. Intentionally keeping a society on the brink of collapse in an attempt to weaken the people. Has no one even contemplated that actions like this might actually be provoking retaliation against Israel?



posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 05:45 AM
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Originally posted by Shamatt
It is nice to see you make Israel the metaphorical Monster - at last we have something we can agree on! :O)

It's nice to see that once you are presented a 100% valid analogy the only thing you cling to is the fact that I've put Israel as the monster. I did it for a reason.

This is the same as the flotilla.. their goals and methods are laughable, and they are only out to make bad PR and not to help anyone. As I said - they could care less if Gaza would burn.




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