16 year old, who has questions about the Military, and needs help figuring out his future....

reply to post by Gazmeister

And what's that supposed to mean??

That you need to do a lot of reading.

I spent 4 years in the Army and I do not feel guilty whatsoever.

That's why there is the saying that goes: Ignorance is bliss.

So go and take your idiotic comments elsewhere.

Why? Because you can't grasp what I'm saying?

Originally posted by chooselove
why the # would any self respecting ATS'er want to join the military.
What an odd place to even post this question.
Any of you half wit brainwashed ex military who have responded. please take a step back breath, think and then realize your a tool.
feel free to ramble on about democracy or freedom fighting. look at the statistics. google it, im not here to enlighten you.

i'm just posting this cause your uneducated close minded brainwashed views make me sick to the stomach.
you should all be ashamed of yourselves. following orders is the stupidest excuse i have ever heard for mass killing of civilians. you knew what you were doing and ya did it anyway. i hope ya all real proud sempre phi!!! or whatever the # ya say

Btfu
You dont know all of what your talking about.
Yes if you select a mos that puts you on the front line well then your half right but there are still a range of benefits that you get.
However there are many mos that would not put you on the front line like intel specialist or supply or mechanic and you also get good benefits for those. And hey guess what when you get out your going to look better than everyone else that is applying for a job in your field.

Originally posted by chooselove
this thread is fake don't reply!! they are testing ATS

How do you know that, and who exactly are "they" and what are they testing for?

Originally posted by chooselove
why the # would any self respecting ATS'er want to join the military.
What an odd place to even post this question.
Any of you half wit brainwashed ex military who have responded. please take a step back breath, think and then realize your a tool.
feel free to ramble on about democracy or freedom fighting. look at the statistics. google it, im not here to enlighten you.

i'm just posting this cause your uneducated close minded brainwashed views make me sick to the stomach.
you should all be ashamed of yourselves. following orders is the stupidest excuse i have ever heard for mass killing of civilians. you knew what you were doing and ya did it anyway. i hope ya all real proud sempre phi!!! or whatever the # ya say

Ironically it was my service that makes it possible for you to spew this ignorance... you're welcome.

I talk to alot of young kids that "want to join the military" yet have no clue about anything to do with the military.

The two biggest reasons they join is a check and some respect. You have a few years to do some actual research. I suggest you do that before you sign on the line

Originally posted by readytorevolt
I talk to alot of young kids that "want to join the military" yet have no clue about anything to do with the military.

The two biggest reasons they join is a check and some respect. You have a few years to do some actual research. I suggest you do that before you sign on the line

I agree with you here because most young kids that join (including me 15 years ago) have no idea what they want out of life, and the military is an easy out. It is an easy way to get out of small town USA and see the world. It is rare that you will find a 19 year old kid in the military that joined up with a purpose or long term goal.

Originally posted by OptimusSubprime

Originally posted by chooselove

Ironically it was my service that makes it possible for you to spew this ignorance... you're welcome.

edit on 30-6-2011 by OptimusSubprime because: (no reason given)

Ironic Ignorance huh? Your service made it possible for this guy to turn on his computer launch the internet and voice his opinion? I find that hard to believe. The constitution that you and your fellow military boys swore to uphold yet you shred to pieces gave him that freedom.

If anything your service cost him 1/3rd of his paycheck so hes lucky to be able to afford a computer or the internet.

No disrespect intended it just makes me a little sick when the "Pride" level over-reaches its boundries

After reading this whole thread I have collected top reasons to join the military:

1. First-person shooter video games
   
2. 9/11
   
3. TV shows and action flicks
   
4. Cause grampa did it
   
5. College (from which 95% will drop out though)
   
6. To gain important life experiences and survival knowledge
   
7. 9/11
   
8. To see the world
   
9. For feeling of self-worth and need to prove oneself
   
10. Money - cold hard cash
    
11. To be a superhero
    

What you probably get in reality, if you're a normal person:

1. Money which you'll spend on medications
   
2. Phobia to frist person shooter video games
   
3. Burden of killing somene, probably children
   
4. Feeling of guilt for your blown up friends
   
5. Recurring dreams with dead people
   
6. Parents disappointed because you couldn't cope with College
   
7. Everyone disappointed because you can't cope with anything
   
8. Permanent physcal damage, various handicaps
   
9. Addiction to drugs or andi-depressants or alcohol, or all
   
10. Social degradation because you can't "fit in" anywhere
    
11. Continued re-enlistment
    
12. No, or broken family, due to above
    
13. Seeing the world... being destroyed.
    
14. Reading conspiracy forums and pretending everything's fine
    
15. Suicide
    

What you probably get if you're a psycho:

1. Money
   
2. Pleasure of killing somene, probably children, apathy at best
   
3. Recurring dreams with dead people
   
4. Permanent physcal damage, various handicaps
   
5. Continued re-enlistment, successful military career
   
6. No, or broken family, due to being a psycho in the first place
   

But that's just according to this thread. It may be different in reality. Maybe you'll become a general, who knows....

reply to post by LandonFromKY
Okay, I am an ex-marine, although there is some truth to the saying "Once a Marine, Always a Marine". My father, his father etc and now my son has just come out of the Marines and my daughter is headed towards her term after college. It is something you need to do if you can cut it. For lots of reasons, not limited to the experience and shaping of who and what you are in your life; establishing your rights as ...and right to say "I am an American". It is simply something you have to do or don't and be counted amongst these rabble for the rest of your life. That's all I have to say.

reply to post by MajorKarma


If you were really a Marine you'd have referred to yourself as a former Marine.

Busted.

reply to post by LandonFromKY


first. DON'T DO IT!

I have told that same thing to 4 different friends and they didn't believe me. Now they call me everyday saying how much they hate it, how bad it sucks and they wish they would have never enlisted. Thats 4 for 4.

I was in for a about 3 years (short enlistment) and it was the worst experience of my life. I was in Army. Everything those video games and movies show you, not how it is in real life.

If you like standing around all day in the baking sun, being told you'd get off work at 1630 only to realize that was 4 hours ago and your still standing in formation waiting to be released or being yelled at continually for sh-t you did now do or had no control over, then sure, enlist all you want.

Even in "combat" its not like CoD. Its unbearably hot under 50+ lbs of body armor, there is potential for death around every corner, your away from all you love and to make it even worse, your not even working for the United States! You work for the companies who your over there to protect while they build what you destroy.

I would suggest watching a few documentaries on the state of the world since your so young (and I am not demeaning you for your age.)

I HIGHLY recommend you watch Zeitgeist (they are available for free online, just Google Zeitgeist Movies) Also a documentary called Loose Change: 9/11

I used to be proud of what I've done and what I did to "help" my country. But the real enemy does not scream Allah Akbar, the real enemy controls the currency, and in turn, controls you.

BUT

Your 16 so more than likely you wont listen to a damn word I say, just like all of my friends who went in after me. My best advice then, IF you plan to disregard my warnings and enlist. Don't join the Army or Marines. If you have even an iota of intelligence you will join the Navy or Air Force. You get the same college credits and funds, but in the military its all about quality of living.

The Army treats you like sh-t. The Marines treat you worse than sh-t, but the Air Force and Navy (from what I have seen first hand and told by relatives and friends of those branches) is they treat you like a human being, which may not sound like a lot. But when you are treated like property for the first time in your life with the army/marines, you'll long to be treated like a person.

Please do not enlist. It is a false institution and will drain you of everything that makes you, you.

But, as always, its your choice.

But watch those documentaries (ESPECIALLY ZEITGEIST) and think long and hard about what you want out of life and what the Military actually is.

All the luck to you.

Mac

Originally posted by LandonFromKY
Well anyways, i have been thinking about this for years, and years. My grandfather, my great grandfather, and my great great grandfather all were in the military and where in a war. My grandfather was in the korean war, earned the MOH, and Purple Heart, among others. So as the time for me to enlist creeps closer and closer, i was wondering if it would be worth it to Join the Military. Most likely the Army, or the Marines. I have always wanted to go in the Military and every time i play Call of Duty, or watch Jarhead, or a War movie it makes me want to go over there even more. I know it is no ones decision but mine, but i want to get some first hand experiences from guys, or girls who have served. I wanna know what it would be like and stuff. I know it would be nice to join and have my College paid for, not only that but the respect i would get from others, and the satisfaction of serving my country, and keeping my country and family free..

So if you have been in the Military or are currently enlisted, please post on here with your experiences, and whatever else you would like to add!

Thanks!

I'm currently active duty US Army, I have been deployed twice, did 6 month mission in Washington D.C, did a mission at Bush ranch, I came in a few days after 9/11 when I was 17, 27 now. I've also been in the National guard for a little while.

I think the military is a good place to grow up and figure out what you need to do, as well as get funding for college. I personally would recommend joining the Air Force for a few years, as you may find you like it and want to make a career out of it, if you want to go Army, I would suggest maybe doing the 6 year enlistment with the National Guard, 6 years sounds like a long time but its really not, they will pay for your schooling so you could finish a 4 year degree and only have alittle time left to finish out on your contract if you decide you want to go into a different career. I wouldn't really recommend active duty army unless your still trying to build the skills needed to live on your own, and gain that self discipline needed to be an adult, personally I messed off so much in my life as I was younger that I am paying for now later in life, though I have my life somewhat on track now, but its taken awhile because I never took anything seriously. If you learn early in life what you need to do and make sure you do it, things will happen alot earlier in life for you then much later. Stay away from things like hobbies, lesiure activies that take up to much of your time and don't really contribute to your well being and future goals.

reply to post by OptimusSubprime

Ironically it was my service that makes it possible for you to spew this ignorance... you're welcome.

No it's not, get over yourself you condescending *snip*.

Just because you were lullabied into working in the military because you were;

1- brainwashed into believing you were serving your country(as your words demonstrate)
or
2- you did it for the money.

Either way, you were not a soldier you were a mercenary and you sure as HELL did not protect anyone in the US, otherwise the government wouldn't be stripping those you vowed to protect from their rights. But you don't KNOW anything about these things because you are simply NOT SMART ENOUGH to comprehend what the hell is being implicated here.

reply to post by MajorKarma

It is simply something you have to do or don't and be counted amongst these rabble for the rest of your life. That's all I have to say.

Apart from watching out for a religious recruitment campaign going on here I'd watch out for military recruitment as well. No way in HELL can there be so many pro-military people in a place of which the DNA consists of anti-authority particles. I'm not buying it.

reply to post by LandonFromKY


My husband is in the Air Force. After complaining, as does mostly everyone, it has been good to us.
I have had surgeries and all paid for by the military insurance. We just got orders to somewhere else here in Texas, and we just bought our very first house. It's bigger than any of our family member's homes and we're only 22 years old!

His job is a Bio Environmental Engineer. He deals with water, air, asbestos, radiation, chemical spills, etc.

It's a hard job, but he is in the medical group, so we're taken care of. The med group is like the Air Force, of the Air Force, if you know what I mean.

IF you're smart with your money, and in general, the AF will be great for you if you join that branch.

Best of luck to you!

IMO the very best thing you can do to serve your country right now is to educate yourself in-depth on the Constitution and what rights citizens in this nation hold.

Then become a cop.

We desperately need more police who respect the Constitution and the citizens of this nation, and we need those policemen to be actively educating their peers in law enforcement.
If our LE element doesn't wake up and think critically about what they are being conditioned to do to us, they will inevitably become "corporate enforcers" (more than they are now!).

reply to post by Pinkgomo653

I have had surgeries and all paid for by the military insurance.

You do understand that the same military blows up hospitals and children right?

Just so we are clear that you do know your husband is a mercenary and not a soldier fighting for freedom.
It doesn't matter if he's working in labs or shooting kids himself.

reply to post by LandonFromKY


I haven't served myself, but I grew up in military life.

Thing is, when playing those games, your "death" isn't real. In real life, you only get ONE life, no respawn...and being injured can be even worse. I've known several victims of mines, etc., that would rather have been killed.

Of course, there are also good points. You can save money, get grants and loans when you get out, and there is the personal benefit of increasing confidence, making inroads, etc.

Thing about these wars today though, is that they are much different than the kind of warfare your forefathers fought in. The enemy could be a kid on a bike with a grenade for all you know.

And, the Middle East isn't the most pleasant place to live for a while. I lived there for 2 years myself (was a military brat, so went where dad did).

Still, only YOU can make the decision, and evaluate the pros and cons.

This is what the "powers that be" think of the military .......



"Kissinger referred pointedly to military men as "dumb, stupid animals to be used" as pawns for foreign policy. Kissinger often took up a post outside the doorway to Haig's office and dressed him down in front of the secretaries for alleged acts of incompetence with which Haig was not even remotely involved. Once when the Air Force was authorized to resume bombing of North Vietnam, the planes did not fly on certain days because of bad weather. Kissinger assailed Haig. He complained bitterly that the generals had been screamin for the limits to be taken off but that now their pilots were afraid to go up in a little fog. The country needed generals who could win battles, Kissinger said, not good briefers like Haig.

On another occasion, when Haig was leaving for a trip to Cambodia to meet with Premier Lon Nol, Kissinger escorted him to a staff car, where reporters and a retinue of aides waited. As Haig bent to get into the automobile, Kissinger stopped him and began polishing the single star on his shoulder. "Al, if you're a good boy, I'll get you another one," he said."



They have no respect for the military and they think they are just there to be used for whatever their wishes are.

Do not put your loved ones through the heartbreak of going through a death in the family.

DO NOT JOIN THE MILITARY!

There is no need to be a "glory seeker" just because everyone seems to be a hero these days. Since 911 that word has lost it's meaning.

Don't fall for the hype.

I get sick every time I hear of deaths or maiming of soldiers. For what? NOTHING!

Want to be looked up to? Join your local voluteer fire department.

reply to post by Gazrok

Of course, there are also good points. You can save money, get grants and loans when you get out, and there is the personal benefit of increasing confidence, making inroads, etc.

And we have a word for this, not soldiers but mercenaries. Thank you for the assisting point.