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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:39 PM
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The topic no one wants to talk about here is greed. My wife and I live very comfortably in about 1200 SF on a 1/3 acre lot, granted at this point we have no children. We have a man in our town, just convicted of fraud, his house is now up for sale, he and his wife were living in a 18000 SF house on 10 acres (of park like property) according to the ad. There are some greedy freaking people in this world, epitomized by the robber barons of the 19th century, however this mindset has continued. One of the reasons this country and this world are in so much trouble. Some of you folks that are backing the rich, really need to ask yourself, how much do you need to survive, or how much do you need to live a comfortable life.




posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:40 PM
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That's because a "perfect socialist society" requires that humans act less like humans, and more like robots.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:43 PM
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Originally posted by Nosred
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That's because a "perfect socialist society" requires that humans act less like humans, and more like robots.
So, you already know what I have in mind and have found it lacking?



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:44 PM
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1. DO NOT TELL ME WHAT TO DO.
2. if your getting entitlements you are not paying into the system thats a fact.
3 .social security is not a income tax
4 medicaid is not an income tax
5 medicare is not an income tax anyone who is currently drawing medicare is taxed from the social security.


give me a break you dont beleive that 74 million arent paying taxes most people just cant fathom that stupidity.

money.cnn.com...





NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Most people think they pay too much to Uncle Sam, but for some people it simply is not true. In 2009, roughly 47% of households, or 71 million, will not owe any federal income tax, according to estimates by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.



your free to have the last word i have had enough stupidity in this thread that people are entitled to others peoples money hell why not



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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there's a big difference between not paying tax and not owing tax. From the way that was written, it sounds like they are saying that they will either break even or get a refund.

that is not the same as not paying any tax. just means that, come April, they aren't paying any more tax.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:10 PM
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Yes, yes I do.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:10 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by BubbaJoe
 


1. DO NOT TELL ME WHAT TO DO.
2. if your getting entitlements you are not paying into the system thats a fact.
3 .social security is not a income tax
4 medicaid is not an income tax
5 medicare is not an income tax anyone who is currently drawing medicare is taxed from the social security.


give me a break you dont beleive that 74 million arent paying taxes most people just cant fathom that stupidity.

money.cnn.com...





NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Most people think they pay too much to Uncle Sam, but for some people it simply is not true. In 2009, roughly 47% of households, or 71 million, will not owe any federal income tax, according to estimates by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.



your free to have the last word i have had enough stupidity in this thread that people are entitled to others peoples money hell why not


Your link does not say anyone got away with paying no taxes.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by Nosred
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Yes, yes I do.
Awesome! I rarely meet someone who knows about my plan. Of course it's not original, It's just rare. What about my particular socialist plan fails? I believe it allows for all ethical ideologies.
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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:13 PM
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Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by BubbaJoe
 


1. DO NOT TELL ME WHAT TO DO.
2. if your getting entitlements you are not paying into the system thats a fact.
3 .social security is not a income tax
4 medicaid is not an income tax
5 medicare is not an income tax anyone who is currently drawing medicare is taxed from the social security.


give me a break you dont beleive that 74 million arent paying taxes most people just cant fathom that stupidity.

money.cnn.com...





NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- Most people think they pay too much to Uncle Sam, but for some people it simply is not true. In 2009, roughly 47% of households, or 71 million, will not owe any federal income tax, according to estimates by the nonpartisan Tax Policy Center.



your free to have the last word i have had enough stupidity in this thread that people are entitled to others peoples money hell why not


First off I did not tell you what to do, I asked you.
You are right, if you are getting entitlements you are not paying into the system, however try licensing your car without paying your property tax.
Regardless of what you believe, Social Security is an income tax, I pay it on every dime of my income, oh but wait if I make over 106K I don't have to pay it, define it for me differently please. If I am self employed I still have to pay it.
There is nothing taken from from my paycheck for medicaid.
For medicare, see the note regarding social security.

I do taxes for a living, please do not tell me that rich people pay too much, and no I am not doing them in the hood, I work for two CPA's, and most of our clients I would classify as wealthy. There are people in this world that need to come out from behind their keyboards, and be educated, and for some it might take a ball bat.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:21 PM
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you owe you pay is the way its suppose to work isnt it? everyone gets tax credits so some people dont have to pay and others have to pay more because other people think they should be.

how many millions americans get tax credits to get to that point where they have no liability and get a refund?

billions of dollars are paid out every year to people who have no liability and still get cash back.

the tax system in america is broken hence the revenue problems everyone pays the way it was meant to be.

all taxes in this country must be uniform no matter the source and it is our corrupt government who gets to decide on who pays and who doesnt.


my biggest beef in this thread is they have no problems telling other people how much money they can have but when someone turns the table on them its a big NO you dont.
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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:39 PM
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Lets tax everyone making over 250,000 / year 90%.
Then when they run out of money. . . . .
Lets tax everyone making over 100,000 / year 90%.
Then when they run out of money. . . .

See a trend here? Socialism only works when the other guy still has money. We can taxtaxtax them evil greedy rich folks all day long. But someday that honey pot is going to run dry.

We need to change the narritive. While everyone is running around worrying about how we are going to pay for everything, no-one is saying, "Stop paying for everything."

Stop spending. Stop the entitlements. Stop the big government meme. Stop the useless projects, the ridiculous departments, the foreign aid grab-bags.

To all you baby kittens out there who cry that you've paid into social security and demand to get your moneys worth, get over it. It's not going to happen. Want that free health care? It ain't going to happen Scooter. Try working hard for a change.

Most people who make over 250,000 a year work their fannies off getting that.

What have you done?



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:47 PM
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Originally posted by Schkeptick
Go ahead, raise the taxes on success. It's one more reason for people to not bother trying, or to leave the USA altogether. We did - and we won't come back by our own choice any time soon. what?
edit on 29-6-2011 by Schkeptick because: (no reason given)

Good riddance to bad rubbish, is what I say.
edit on 29-6-2011 by ldyserenity because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:48 PM
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Originally posted by neo96

i dont care no matter the income you get taxed you dont tax one group and give a free pass to others.

74 million arent paying taxes and if those 74 paid at least 500 bucks that equals 37 billion dollars.

does the us constitution mean nothing to you people you can not tax or steal from a minority to pay for the majority.

get that.

you people have no right to deem how much someone can make and how much more they can be taxed and let ofthers get off scott free.

take someone elses hard earned cash just dont take yours and when there are no more rich because thats what a progressive tax is it keeps eating away until theres nothing left.


edit on 29-6-2011 by neo96 because: (no reason given)


It's pretty simple, when a minority holds an ever increasing majority of the wealth, that causes problems for the rest of the country.

Everyone that earns a paycheck pays some taxes, but I think it's crazy to ask someone that earns around 15K in a minimum wage job to pay income tax. That person is barely even getting by.

But the wealthy have an obligation as far as I'm concerned to pay back some of the money to the country where they live, a country (and the people) that has made it possible for them to earn that income in the first place.

As far as making judgments, as a country and society we have to make judgments on what makes for a healthy and prosperous place for everyone to live not just the few at the top. Although, that hasn't really been the case in the past 30 years or so.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:51 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer Socialism only works when...
I think some of you aren't thinking outside the box. How can a government allow the free market, provide for all who need assistance, and keep taxes down? I think I have a plan that not only empowers the poor and those "lazy" people who think life is about living and not work, it doesn't take from the rich. I think my plan would eventually be so popular with the downtrodden majority, the rich minority would be a moot point.
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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:54 PM
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Originally posted by ldyserenity
Good riddance to bad rubbish, is what I say.
edit on 29-6-2011 by ldyserenity because: (no reason given)


They won't be leaving, but they will continue to find tax loopholes and accounts overseas!


Some people at the top want all the benefits of living in this country but don't want any of the responsibilities that comes with that.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:56 PM
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Originally posted by Nosred
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That's because a "perfect socialist society" requires that humans act less like humans, and more like robots.


I just want a society that keeps greed under control and decent, livable wages for everyone.

I guess that's asking for too much, though.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 11:01 PM
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Originally posted by gentledissident

Originally posted by beezzer Socialism only works when...
I don't think some of you are thinking outside of the box.

Yes, yes we are.



How can a government allow the free market, provide for all who need assistance, and keep taxes down?
Goverrnment doesn't "allow" a free market, except in totalitarian regimes. Why should the government provide for all who need assistance? Isn't that up to the individual? Keep taxes down? Easy. Don't spend so much and don't take so much.




I think I have a plan that not only empowers the poor and those "lazy" people who think life is about living and not work, it doesn't take from the rich. I think my plan would eventually be so popular with the downtrodden majority, the rich minority would be a moot point.


Does it involve work? Honest labor? Personal responsibility?

Do tell!



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 11:12 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer Do tell!
It's an opt in plan. The government gets into the business of necessity. The employees enjoy the perks of trading work for goods at a discount, and a shorter work week due to the efficiency and resources of such a huge organization.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 11:18 PM
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Originally posted by gentledissident

Originally posted by beezzer Do tell!
It's an opt in plan. The government gets into the business of necessity. The employees enjoy the perks of trading work for goods at a discount, and a shorter work week due to the efficiency and resources of such a huge organization.

Who determines necessity? The government?
Trading work for goods? Already exists. It's called money.
Shorter work week? Less money or trading power.
Huge organizations and efficiency don't go together. Take it from someone who has worked for the government for decades.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 11:18 PM
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BTW, what's so great about work? We should be as efficient as possible to maximize our free time. Work is no way to spend our relatively brief period of consciousness before the brain stops working and memory of existence is gone forever.



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