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UCLA criminologist Mark Kleiman says he’s “angry about having much too much crime and an intolerable number of people behind bars.” Kleiman believes America’s astronomical incarceration rate isn’t making us safer.
Originally posted by DrumsRfun
reply to post by thisguyrighthere
The part that stood out to me was the the land of the free has 25% of the worlds prisoners.
Land of the FREE,yet 25% of the worlds prisoners?
My opinion is that prisons aren't there to rehabilitate people.
It should be about teaching people how to be productive members of society,yet its not.
Prison institutionalizes people more then it rehabilitates them.
Originally posted by kro32
reply to post by DrumsRfun
Possibly having substantial freedom causes one to commit more crimes maybe?
I think we should replace prisons with gulag's and make it so miserable nobody want's to come back. Forced labor breeds disipline in my opinion.
Originally posted by Illusionsaregrander
reply to post by thisguyrighthere
The problem with forced labor is that it could have unintended consequences. IE, they might start jailing people just FOR forced labor for more and more petty trumped up crimes. It could be very beneficial for a state to have a free labor force. Much like an argument can be made that privatizing prisons has created an incentive to keep people locked up for longer periods of time. .
Originally posted by barkingdogamato
And of course it serves society to lock up people who can't pay their child support, they have lost their job due to the economy, or lock the guy up who can't pay his back taxes for the same reason.
Bill said Fletcher comes through The Lot several times a day. About a week ago, he spotted Bill and Dottie on a bench on Orange Street. Under the bench was a bottle of vodka. Fletcher slapped them each with a $91 ticket for public drinking—a charge the pair denies.
“According to the US Department of Justice, 30-40 percent of all current prison admissions involve crimes that have no direct or obvious victim other than the perpetrator,” the report shows. “The drug category constitutes the largest offense category, with 31 percent of all prison admissions resulting from such crimes.” Nearly a third of all prison admissions are from non violent drug offenses!
Marijuana arrests accounted for 47.4% of the drug abuse arrests
Clearly, marijuana is an intense focus of police interest and activity; far more, apparently, than the less important crimes occurring at the same time on Wall Street.
Originally posted by thisguyrighthere
Which brings up something from the article. It's about $40,000 a year to keep somebody locked up. Was it a $40,000 crime? Granted, the government has never really been very good at balancing the books but you'd think sooner or later somebody would have stopped the crazy train at that road sign.
Originally posted by The Old American
Punishment for non-violent offenders should be a fine. Something suitably sized to be an "oh crap I'll never, ever do that again because I'll be living on the street in poverty due to that fine" type of thing.
We already have law as revenue source why not make it more profitable?
Punishment for violent offenders should involve something along the lines of "I don't know why this guy wakes up screaming in the middle of the night 'no no please no more!', but at least he doesn't hurt people anymore" type of thing.
and don't worry none about that whole cruel and unusual thang they was only kidding about all that.
The only thing that will empty prisons is making sure people are too terrified to be incarcerated. Well, that and repealing moronic laws.
I think that is called terrorism by some but I think opression is more accurate.Seen some pretty scary opinions lately. Bring on Gulags, peace through terror. That ol' HEMP rag is finally wearing thin enough to shred.Looking a lot like Reich 4.0 lately,eh?
/TOAedit on 29-6-2011 by The Old American because: (no reason given)