Originally posted by inthemass
reply to inthemass
JaxCavelera : ....My post aimed to justify topics like this and point out the multitude of benefits that are to be had from such
inthemass : A good point yet, flawed. If a respectable conversation was to take place then im sure it would be a great discussion
with benefits. What was the title of this this thread?
Just another disrespectful thread. Maybe reworded, we could benefit.
In some ways, I agree with this; that the post title sets the mood for all posts that follow it within a thread. I also think that it's up to those
who post replies in the thread to decide how things play out...
To decide if they are going to roll with the aggression (if any exists) in the Topic's Title or if they are going to make use of the opportunity to
maintain decent debate that's more mature than wild swings at eachother out of spite, trolling and immaturity.
I think on the most part this community has managed to avoid letting the title of the thread ruin a great opportunity. But I do agree that a less
offensive title would suggest a more level discussion.
reply to post by Dezero
It makes me feel more strongly that perhaps the truth lies somewhere in between the 2 being we have these extreme vies of athiests and
christians at both ends.. who's to say that they both aren't right in a sense, just one group is aiming to validate life without the depictino of any
supreme power by explaining out in scientific/maths/historic terms all the who, what, when, where and why questions relating to life whilst the other
side is relying on faith. But they are both essentially aiming to validate our lives here on earth in one way or another.
reply to post by Paul47
I don't believe that God was invented to steal money from the poor, I do however believe that the churches were. They are a great way to organise
multitudes of people into easily managed groups and then brainwash them by taking their pure and innocent fait and twisting it to suit their own
In all essence, wherever you have 1 person leading and the rest following, the ones following are denying themselves their God given right of free
will and thinking as they slowly let their own faith erase and become the same faith as their "leader" "priest" "elder" "whatever you want to label
the guy at the front of the group".
An interesting thing that I've learned is that you grow and develop more when you are speaking/teaching than when you are listening. If you want to
learn how to do something fast. The best way to do it is to try and teach it to someone else and as you are speaking, you'll notice that you are
gaining even more understanding and growing and a very fast rate. This is why effective communication is so important.
Back at uni I remember studying the basic principles of effective communication. Basically, it involves :
- The ability to send messages to a person
- The ability to have that message received
- The ability to then have the receiver send back a message
That last part is most important. How can you get effective communication in a situation where there is 1 person doing all the speaking without
giving anyone else the opportunity to speak back? The church truely is a money harvesting machine invented by men to take advantage of those seeking
the truth. They may not be after money as a primary goal, usually it' driven by greed; greed for power, greed for control and greed to have what is
not rightfully theirs. The most important thing to always remember is that The Church Isn't God.
reply to post by jessejamesxx
I don't think there is anything wrong with having a faith in something, it allows people to make quantum leaps forwards that without proof, you can't
logically make and hey - as long as the people doing this also are aware that they may or may not always get it right first time around, they're no
different than those that rely upon scientific/maths/ "solid" evidense to support their understanding. At the end of the day even that can be wrong
and has been proven to be wrong as we have developed newer technologies that allow us to better understand and construct better foundations to base
new evidential proof on.
Again, the concept of Churches is that if there are so many people who have identical beliefs together, then by the numbers game they must be right.
As you have pointed out in one of your more recent posts in this topic, The attitude that says "Do you feel that you're 'chosen' and that you have
the right religion? That kind of thinking has been around since the dawn of man, and has been one of our biggest downfalls.
Very egotistical, In my opinion of course."
Really is the cause of our demise and it taints what could be a very good thing. IF people could let go of their fears of the unknown, they wouldn't
need to rely on a group of people to base their "faith" upon and to use as a starter-block for their run through life.
The thought that other people are wrong because they are not a part of your church or don't believe exactly what you believe is exactly that :
Egotistical and Segrational...it is the thing that goes against everything that Jesus was seekig to achieve. He wasn't about "helping those poor
unsaved souls who just don't know any better the poor lost sheep".. He was about helping those who wanted to be helped. He may refer to them as lost
sheep, but I think perhaps we have taken that out of context.
(it is my belief that) Jesus was the son of God and for him to refer to those that have no belief in him based on his personal understanding of who
and what God is, that is justified. We are not Jesus so we do not possess that same understaning yet which is why we are all hungry for knowledge to
grow and learn... For us to clasify people we deem to be lost sheep, unsaved, lesser than us .. poor silly ignorant athiests or whatever you would
typically refer to those that don't believe what you believe...
Nothing good can come from this. It fails to helps us really help those that are seeking help and instead stirs up hate and unrest between our
differences...which makes room for exploitation to occur through things like a Church organisation etc..
Again a lot of people will probably find my thoughts on this offensive but these are just my own thoughts and hey should something that strikes true
to my own conscience come along the book of my beliefs is never closed
p.s. sorry for the long post I kinda got caught up in this exciting topic~~~
edit on 29-6-2011 by JaxCavalera because: few extra replies I