How Islam forces women by using gang rape and beatings!!

I like how the target here is Islam, whe many other religions are guilty of pretty much the same exact thing. How many Christian cults use sex and manipulation to control their members? I've heard of a great deal of small groups in the midwestern United States that use this technique.

I am not deminishing the occurances in the Muslim community at all If this has happened, it must be put to a stop. But I think that we need to focus less on specific religions and more on the fact that is happening and that people are being mistreated.

There will always be people that commit terrible acts. We must not blame Islam or any religion for what these people are doing, because it is not the religion that is creating these problems, it is the attitude with which they are raised. When one is raised to believe that women exist specifically to serve and obey them, isnt it only natural that they become angry and even violent when they see women not 'doing the right thing'?

There is no justification for these acts and they infuriate me as a woman, a feminist and a human being. But limiting this occurance to one specific religion is, in my opinion, ignorant.

reply to post by SFlowers


Thank you for the breath of fresh air in this thread! Finally, some one gets it!

There is no justification for rape in the religious texts of Islam, so it is not an 'Islamic issue.' To say otherwise is an emotional reaction based on no facts at all.

Do all Europeans or Caucasian make basement dungeons for incestual sex slavery?
Does the racism of the Ku Klux Klan stand for all of Christianity?
Does Westboro Baptist Church represent all Christians?
Is pedophillia a Catholic or Christian issue, since so many priests and preachers molest and rape?
Nope, I do not believe so.

Rape happens all around the world, and where ever rape is found, it should be stopped.
I have personally been advocating for the Death Penalty for rape and child molestation.

Of course lighting on fire , acid in the face , honor killing , raping , beating , stoning to death , cutting the ears and nose off and hanging women while forcing women to dress in beekeeper suits because men can't control themselves and keeping women as virtual uneducated slaves happens in all cultures and religions . Wait a minute , no it doesn't .

Islam does provide permission to rape . In most Islamic countries a woman who is raped must provide 4 witnesses to the rape , which will be the rapists that she has identified . No one else dares testify . Of course the rapists will get off because they are males with the same story for the Islamic court . She'll likely face gang rape again at the police station . Now the women gets charged with adultry for enticing them men in the first place and can be stoned to death or hung , and that's what happens . She enticed the poor dear boys and she pays for it .

Amnesty International speaks of the epidemic of brutal gang rapes in Islamic prisons , in particular , Iran , in particular among political prisoners like all of the university women who rose up and protested in the streets about a year and a half ago . Islam provides for temporary wives and a wife may not refuse her husband . The prison guards in Iran want to make sure they are on the right side of Allah even though they may be married so they'll bring the prison Imam in . He'll provide a temporary wedding between the guards and their victims and then the gang raping starts . All legal because an Imam blessed the temporary marriage .

Anybody notice the lack of women in Tarir square in Egypt when Mubarak was taken down ? Sure you can find some in the crowds in very narrow tight pictures . A million men and 200 women . The vast majority of Egyptian women were told to stay home by men and it's the women that absolutely fear an Islamic theocracy in Egypt because if that system arrives the situation of women becomes much worse .

Originally posted by GenerationXisMarching
links or it didnt happen, just too well timed with the recent lame stream media reports of gadhafi doing this too.
sounds like an attack against muslims, but only because you claim that the religion is their guise for doing this. you can say that turd doesnt look like a turd, but does that mean it isnt?

religion gets corrupt, that happens because religion gives POWER why can people never understand this concept? you dont blame all the systems that brought them to power, but by god, since the ones at the top are corrupt we should bring the whole damn religion down. i listen to both sides, but this just sounds like a bad argument

women are made to feel less powerful, it happens, once their rival attains power they dont wanna lose. just drop the whole tribal argument "coming to a town like you " and you sound a little more human.

what are your thoughts? you raise th issue with your spin, but how would you undo the corruption that has been taught the last few generations? how do you do that? figure that out and you wont care that they are spreading, because they will be like you

careful what you wish for, you are getting it now.

EXACTLY!!!
not saying it never happens, but i have noticed the trend in MSM lately, that "undesirables" are always branded with corrupt sex or sexual crimes in order to spur hate in the rest of the world and gain support for action against the accused. Wasnt Julain assange accused of sex crime? ghadafi, and the most laughable was the unending media mention of the stash of porn found in the bin laden complex - or wait, was it a mansion? never mind. Point is, i lately have been taking it as code when MSM mentions sex acts as a way of telling the world we dont like these people, and this is our way of making you not like them too.
i bet they will round up a few muslim women actresses, pay them for some pretend tears as they tell horrible stories of sexual things done to them - but you cant believe anything anymore from anyone.

Originally posted by Sahabi
reply to post by SFlowers

 

Thank you for the breath of fresh air in this thread! Finally, some one gets it!

There is no justification for rape in the religious texts of Islam, so it is not an 'Islamic issue.' To say otherwise is an emotional reaction based on no facts at all.

Do all Europeans or Caucasian make basement dungeons for incestual sex slavery?
Does the racism of the Ku Klux Klan stand for all of Christianity?
Does Westboro Baptist Church represent all Christians?
Is pedophillia a Catholic or Christian issue, since so many priests and preachers molest and rape?
Nope, I do not believe so.

Rape happens all around the world, and where ever rape is found, it should be stopped.
I have personally been advocating for the Death Penalty for rape and child molestation.

i agree there needs to be harsher punishment, but i dont believe anyone anywhere has the right to pass a judgement of death on anyone. it is not up to us to damn people before their time. God would not have wanted us to take measures like this into our own hands. By ending the life of a criminal, you take away any opportunity that individual has to be rehabilitated, repent, convert, seek God or forgiveness. not to mention a lot of people get blamed for sexual acts that never happened - you would be denying them the chance to redeem their name in future trials if they had been wrongly convicted.
I mean, if you had a serial killer, someone you felt you could never contain in any prison - think Sylar form Heroes here - hen maybe you would have to do things to protect humanity. But rape, while it is an ugly crime, is just not something that should warrant the death penalty. I was raped by a group of men when i was 20. it was not nice, it took me a few months to get over it, but in the end, my only real fear was that they could have given me aids or something. I had nothing conclusive for a case against them due to the drugs they gave me. even if i had, i would certainly not have been advocating for the death penalty. maybe a year. followed by probation. If you feel so strongly that rapists need permanent judgement, why dont you advocate for their castration? that would be an effective solution, and still allow these people to finish out their lives as God intended.

maybe but did you stop to think that IT is culture and not the religion!! this morning in media class i had the same discussion and i will tell you that most men who are in my class are Muslim they were offended understand this is also a problem in India, Indonesia the middle east again this their culture and just for kicks they like to say oh do it coz of religion well it is not!!!!!!!!! every woman has a choice and support she just have to go about it intelligently and bravely just like there is support for Indian women in London who want to escape forced marriages by the way you say Muslim but you did not elaborate their ethnicity coz that is a big help in figuring out what they are like. I am a Muslim girl in London who has to deal with these views from you no (offense intended) and Muslim men!! women have equal rights as men in life and business the only difference is physiology as we get periods but gosh golly they want to hold that against us just like the story of Adam and eve and the apple episode really before who write propaganda please and i mean please however freaked out u are of being brain washed by reading the Quran do research because that is vital for u to learn.
also i have to say i see Somali Muslim women who make their female child of 5!! wear a hijab they aint suposed to until puberty it's all down to ignorance and listening to a teacher with a lot propaganda in the mosque and they do not even have the time to teach themselves further! i see this in my mum but unlike them she and my family are opened minded and i was raised that way so please no disrespect intended research different sources do some investigation be open minded.

peace

reply to post by bandito


Couldn't have said it better....There is a stark difference between the way women in Islamic nations and women in Western nations are treated. But the muslim apologists do not want to see the obvious. Muslim immigration into Europe is creating multicultural conflict within these nations because European law does not oppress women the same way that they do in Islamic nations. Why do you think so many Muslims flee from their Islamic totalitarian governments in the first place? They want to have the freedoms of the west, but they cannot apply it themselves because they've already been indoctrinated to view women as second class citizens or less.

Originally posted by Sahabi

"rape and beat any Islamic woman who does not conform to the ways of ISLAM!!

This is in your Opening Post. This is a freaking oxymoron. Rape is against Islam... but Muslim men rape to make women follow Islam? What? Umm... So... Muslim men are disobeying their religion by raping, but you still label an Islamic rape? Where's the logic?

Rape is NOT sanctioned by Allah, Muhammad, or Shariah.

Sahabi, you're confusing the Koran and Hadith with "Islam". "Islam" is not those two documents, Islam is a religion whose believers' actions are dictated not by their religious documents, but by years of engrained programming. The fact that rape is not in their religious documents is a pointless argument because the vast majority of Muslims don't read said documents anyway. The OP is completely factual as I'm sure you'll find if you set your emotions aside for a moment and do a little research. This is a VERY serious ISLAMIC problem that the majority of male Muslims have no interest in reforming. Also look into "female genital mutilation" and prepare to be shocked and disgusted. This is specifically a Muslim practice, it's unheard of outside of Islam. The Muslim leadership have even condemned the practice, yet it continues in the Muslim community unabated.

Originally posted by Truth_Hz
Do you have any proof the "all the rapes were commited by non-western immigrants"?

Or are you basing your argument around a youtube video that has been uploaded by a complete right wing bigot from australia, not norway, who has 173 videos, every single one of them anti muslim.....

I live in Oslo, I've watched the news first hand and I know two women who were raped by MUSLIM men.

Originally posted by Sahabi
Do all Europeans or Caucasian make basement dungeons for incestual sex slavery?

But even if European or Caucasians did, they're not in YOUR country subjugating your women to it.

Will the ignornat please read my ORIGINAL post as to what this thread is about.

1) Muslim men raping their women and other non muslim women
2) This is in OUR countries as I stated. They come here. Come to OUR countries.
3) They bring this mentality that is not CULTURE but barbaric grossness.

For the guy Shabibib, you keep harping on about the Koran. I do not care about the Korna as it is only a collection of bits of paper.

RAPING of women is beyond some silly fabricated book. Raping in gang form is a form of control and power and sexual deviancy.

The biggest problem in France's immigration communities IS MUSLIM men committing these horrendous crimes against innocent defenseless women.

Muslim men DO THIS.

READ the book and try to refrain from bringing up the Koran (fictional book in my opinion) I never mentioned in my original post. The Koran is besides the point, in fact in relation to this thread its garbage!!

Originally posted by laiguana
reply to post by bandito

 

Couldn't have said it better....There is a stark difference between the way women in Islamic nations and women in Western nations are treated. But the muslim apologists do not want to see the obvious. Muslim immigration into Europe is creating multicultural conflict within these nations because European law does not oppress women the same way that they do in Islamic nations. Why do you think so many Muslims flee from their Islamic totalitarian governments in the first place? They want to have the freedoms of the west, but they cannot apply it themselves because they've already been indoctrinated to view women as second class citizens or less.

Very well said.

I like the way you put your point across!!

What is Islam? Islam is the religion of Allah, as described in the Qur'an and by Muhammad. Islam says men may only have sex with their wives or their slaves. So this is a CULTURAL problem, not religious.

As I said, I am NOT a Muslim, and I am against Islam.

Deny ignorance and understand rape is a GLOBAL phenomenon, and NOT sanctioned by Allah, Muhammad, or Shariah.

Muslim men disobeying their religion to rape... ok, punish the criminals, I would love it! But don't say "Islamic rape" if it is sinful and prohibited by the religion.

How many Catholic Priests have molested little boys? Is pedophillia now a Catholic problem? No. Same difference.

lets work on stopping christianity from leading us into the new crusades first

reply to post by bandito


Out of all the things you just listed, wife beating and stoning to death for adultery are the only Islamically lawful punishments that you have correct. All the rest are done by Muslim men disobeying their holy books.

I do not agree with Islam, but if you bash Islam, bash it for the right reasons such a inequality or slavery.

How many rapists, or criminals, or crazy people commit crimes that are either non-Arab or non-Muslim? LOTS!!!

Islam is NOT a religion truly proclaiming peace or equality, but it does NOT allow rape, rape is a sin.

Once again, Muslims disobeying their religion makes this a CULTURAL issue, not religious.

If a large proportion of people from a Religion commit horrific acts in the name of their Religion then the religion is going to be harmed. Religion is only as strong as its members regardless of its intentions.

Its like the following statement.

Not all Muslims are terrorists, but why are all terrorists Muslim!!


See the twist in perception. same goes with the Muslim men RAPING their women who are Muslim.

Its a crime within a group.

reply to post by TheButcher23


Only muslims rape people, of course. Thanks for bringing this fact to the attention of all.

reply to post by Sahabi


Just for you!!

Qur'an (23:5-6) - "..who abstain from sex, except with those joined to them in the marriage bond, or (the captives) whom their right hands possess..." This verse allows the slave-owner to have sex with his slaves.

Qur'an (4:24) - "And all married women (are forbidden unto you) save those (captives) whom your right hands possess."

Qur'an (33:50) - "O Prophet! We have made lawful to thee thy wives to whom thou hast paid their dowers; and those (slaves) whom thy right hand possesses out of the prisoners of war whom Allah has assigned to thee" This is a special command that Muhammad handed down to himself, allowing himself virtually unlimited sex. Others are limited to four wives, but may also have sex with an unlimited number of slaves

Mohammed allowed himself untold wives and slaves all of whom he allowed himself to have sex with. Having sex with his slaves he readily admits.....therefore he admits RAPE. as a slave is a woman who has been paid for either by dower or by force after he captured them!!


Get YOUR facts right!! Mohammed RAPED women!

Rape is an epidemic not solely relegated to the Islamic community. In Australia we've seen a rapid increase in rape in recent times. It has nothing to do with religion here, it is about a man exerting his power over a woman. In terms of Islamic women being raped in Western countries where is the law in those countries to persecute these men? Perhaps if these women felt safe enough in their new homelands to approach the law without the rape being related to their religion perps could be prosecuted and a message could be sent to these people. Rape is a criminal act let's not make it about religion. Bad people comes in all colors and creeds and rape needs to be fought on a global scale.

reply to post by TheButcher23


Most slave owners were rapists - slaves were property not people that's why slavery had to be abolished.