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Internet Censorship Storm Is Coming, Warns Schmidt

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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 01:22 AM
Oh, I understand content filtering is different. My worry is that content filtering is their "foot in the door", so to speak. Once content filtering is the norm, I wouldn't think it would be too hard for the Government to take it further (i.e. walling).

Australia is currently building this ->

Although it is being run by NBNco, its the Labor Govt's plan & its being funded by taxpayers dollars. NBNco are the contractors. Nice. Finally I'll have fast internet at home. But a network owned by the least popular Government in (I believe), Australias history? Content filtering is a start for them, but once they own this I think they can pretty much do as they please.

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 01:23 AM

Originally posted by SLAYER69
Well it might not seem like much to some but I've already been getting a This video is not available in your country garbage on Youtube etc etc etc. The internet is for the free exchange of ideas and information.

So where is the line between censorship and copy right issues, which is what I find when I see that This video is not available in your country message. Seems ATS is pretty strict on that as well as certain topics you cannot discuss

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 01:56 AM
reply to post by TRiPWiRE

nice info Tripewire, so just for some of the folks, who are behind the on going hacktivist movement,
here is a good place to start the "revolt" against companies and restrictions like this:

like i mentinoed earleir ARIN is for N. amerika:
APNIC - is the Regional Internet Registry for the Asia Pacific region.
Asia Pacific Network Information Centre

that is where network and other info can be found, to deny ignorance, so to say

so when folks like anon/luzsec, or who ever... start making attempts at these folks and other providers,
sites like these are the basis for reconnassaince... addresses, phone numbers, ip addresses, email domain contacts can be assembled, and since these compaines are moving forward with this, i can only assume the
info has already been harvested, and topology of govn't public web sites have already begun to panout the attacks.

not to mention simple info gathering like hitting these sites and getting thier phone / fax numbers and email addresses: from the contact us links: sending 1000s of all black faxes to goverment agencies, and tieing up their phone networks, and taking down, or hacking thier web sites is to be expected im sure...

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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 03:56 AM
Brother ya cant go to jail for what you re thinking.........well er....maybe you can soon.
The ptb already have some very impressive mind control technology and they are busy working the education system to turn out the corporate consumers as fast as people will allow.
In the meantime they are in the testing stages of mindreading software and have made signifigant strides into this field.
Internet censorship is already a fact.
It ties in with what they are doing to produce the citizen of the future.....

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 06:35 AM
reply to post by SLAYER69

There is another possibilty that would take money but the end result would be a private net -

A VPN....

It isnt that expensive to run these days and it would be similar ti an ISP type of business but one that operates on top of current ISP's.

The carrier or provider would only need to charge for access to the VPN with a subscription based serivce or PAYG(Pay as you GO) type of service.

The network is very secure and in many ways can become exclusive and it is very easy to control who can access the VPN.

For anyone that isn't aware or familiar with VPN's -

A virtual private network (VPN) is a secure way of connecting to a private Local Area Network at a remote location, using the Internet or any unsecure public network to transport the network data packets privately, using encryption. The VPN uses authentication to deny access to unauthorized users, and encryption to prevent unauthorized users from reading the private network packets. The VPN can be used to send any kind of network traffic securely, including voice, video or data.

VPNs are frequently used by remote workers or companies with remote offices to share private data and network resources. VPNs may also allow users to bypass regional internet restrictions such as firewalls, and web filtering, by "tunneling" the network connection to a different region.


To me it seems like one of the most effective solutions as Proxies can limit media content and embeded video clips etc.

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 08:04 AM
I have a question for all the people that are talking about starting there on network. Are you going to run your own wires? All th phone companies have to do to stop anyone from sending data over the phone lines to to install filters at the switching stations. Just like putting a DSL filter on your home computer line. I have even seen filters that are used to block fax machine transmissions. Radio networks can be traced and jammed. If they really want to shut it all down they can and there is little we can do about it. So just how is a network to be set up when you can not use radio or the phone companies wires? And that is another problem, if any one does come up with a way you can bet TPTB will be there ahead of you and have already found a way to stop it.

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 08:07 AM
Internet censorship has been with us for some time.

Google has been censoring results here in the Uk for many years now.

When you used to type " tor...." into the google engine it would auto correct and point to "torrent" now you have to type the entire word before you get any links to torrent sites.

Doesnt sound like a biggy but its the beginning of the end.

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 08:11 AM
reply to post by TRiPWiRE

Its good to see others are switched on about the n b n and your right it is a foot in the door, the filter failed miserably with public approval (3 times over 7 years that i know of) and just like the failed Australia card there is more than one way to get what they want.
Apart from the filter Australia needs to get up to network speed with the rest of the world which must be a weakness for the new soon to be rolled out internet already in use by a few officials, one i call skynet (dont think thats what its called (terminator movie)) one that will do amazing things far quicker and better than whats available.
Of course you all will need new computers to be 100% compatible (economic recovery after jobs problem solved) but this time the computer will come with everything you could ever need and a whole lot of impressive goodies all ready and installed(selling point of product,complete with back door access avail to authority), no choice of browser no choice of anything as all serial numbers will be logged to your 100pts of identification and your retina,voice and fingerprint recognition program built in at start up(one time set up only) but it will be able to allow other users with owners permission who you will be legally responsible for and need to report if stolen or broken.
more of concern is the fact that if a major event was to occur that could be economically or socially damaging to a nation or the rest of the world one of the five switches (one for each of the five rings) or several could simply be flicked to off and thats it no one gets in no one gets out forget using your phone to call overseas that will be a yesterday tool available only to armed services etc as a back up,as your new puter can do that with one button and video too.
edit here--put link here- i will have to look through a five foot high pile of paper work (hint keep paper work you never no when) for the link it will take time.

Regarding internet censorship i dont think they are to worried at the moment as this internet is already dead (as far as they are concerned) just takes time to fall and become nothing more than a kiddies defunct electronic online organizer- the focus is on implementing the new one quite a huge task as not to disrupt too many facets eg existing huge corporations, programmers (who are not happy at having to learn a new programming platform)(see new internet explorer for an idea) economics, businesses and consumers etc.
As to when this will occur im only guessing at three - five years at best, the armed forces will play with first get set up,trained and prepared for responses.the rest just depends on companies and programming and communications (companies will still sell their phone product but will be electronic version with mobile remote)(t.v too) till then governments will continue to use this internet to practice and make their mistakes on such as Cyber Storm and all these learnt experiences will be implemented to the next-- public version-- of the internet.
till then we can only prepare and make the most of what we have cause you tend not to appreciate what you have until its gone.
p.s oh when all this is implemented the n b n will be sold to highest bidder time frame for sale was 7-8 years that was 12-18months ago.

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 08:15 AM
reply to post by asset921vector4

The NBN in Au has nothing to do with internet censorship.... It's completly unrelated and whether or not we have FTTP, censorship will still happen on a public net.

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:18 AM
reply to post by SLAYER69

There are MANY things I'd like to say about (and TO!) Schmidt!

Sorry excuse for german blood!


I've been smelling all this coming for awhile.

Stories such as:

"Oh no, super sensitive laptop stolen!" yeah. horse crap.

"Oh no, XYZ Corp main frame hacked". really?

"the secret recipe to the chicken salad was stolen!" Sorry. woody allen reference LOL!

Yall get the point. NO ONE but a total dumbass leaves a "super sensitive" laptop out. I've counted roughly 5 or 6 cases where this happened. From civil govt, to corporate, to military. Horse crap!

The story with Manning just plopping in a disk and just down loading "sensitive" doc's? I dont believe our government is that damn stupid...i hope not anyway. How is a POS enlisted man given access to that stuff? he aint.

Nah. This is just grease for the idiot masses to feed on. Small "false flags".


If any of yall like google but DONT like the snooping, try "Start Page". It uses google via proxy. Nothing to download. Just search.

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:36 AM
Didn't read whole thread yet but

American kids gonna riot for sure if you take away their online games..... and how you gonna censor people chatting in a game? If the connection exist the people will talk and pass info.

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:40 AM

Originally posted by boondock-saint
free internet users are like a wild animal.
Once it gets use to the free taste of blood,
it can never go back to regular dry dog food.

Humans get used to anything when it is done in small steps over a longer period of time.
Most people will sadly not react before it is way too late...

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:43 AM

Originally posted by Paul47
The internet is Pandora box to those who want to sensor information. Our kids will not let that happen. They are the ones who are growing up with it. I as a parent I try to answer all my kids questions as best I can and if I can’t, or am unsure we look it up. They are amazing on their quest for information if they want it. So far censorship of the internet has been week at best, as computers improve and the users become better at using them, Hackers will keep the information flowing and for you guys that do that. Thanks.

They are already passing such laws and already did here in Norway, but did people react?? No, it was hardly even mentioned in the media.

It is YOU who should have to fight since this is happening now and not far into the future.

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:47 AM

Originally posted by juleol
Humans get used to anything when it is done in small steps over a longer period of time.
Most people will sadly not react before it is way too late...

I am afraid you are right and it already is too late. And to add to that it seems that most people can not or will not see that it is even happening at all. I can not believe that all of this is happening in plain view and so few people see it. That is the part of this I really do not understand, how can people not see for them selfs what is right in front of them?

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:51 AM
I've seen the posts in regards to laws forcing ISPs to allow for easy interception of data by governments and law enforcement. I understand the pros in regards to this but doesn't mean they don't abuse the privilege either. I'd like to see the laws that allow the government to censor in the first place. Which exact laws let the government enforce ISP to censor? The solution to this problem is not the proxies, VPNs etc workarounds, the solution is to take away the governments ability to censor... assuming they have it in the first place.

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 09:53 AM
I actually wrote Congressman Weiner a few months back about the importance of an internet free of censorship, in which he replied and agreed (too bad he couldn't keep his Weiner zipped). I think internet censorship issue is an important one that everyone should pay attention to.

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:00 AM
The Schmidt is officially hitting the fan.
This could turn into some messed up Schmidt.
They can't keep us from communicating they can only hope to contain it.

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:30 AM
Your all over-reacting

This isn't as bad as it may seem, it will just mean a consumer move to networks that are more secure and not 'public'.

Telco companies have been selling this (VPN's) to business' for years now. There are many websites that are not publicly available or accessible.

* Corp Intranet / Cloud (Secure)
* 'Tunnelling';

Trusted delivery networks

Trusted VPNs do not use cryptographic tunneling, and instead rely on the security of a single provider's network to protect the traffic.

Multi-Protocol Label Switching (MPLS) is often used to overlay VPNs, often with quality-of-service control over a trusted delivery network.
Layer 2 Tunneling Protocol (L2TP)[11] which is a standards-based replacement, and a compromise taking the good features from each, for two proprietary VPN protocols: Cisco's Layer 2 Forwarding (L2F)[12] (obsolete as of 2009
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) and Microsoft's Point-to-Point Tunneling Protocol (PPTP).[13]
From the security standpoint, VPNs either trust the underlying delivery network, or must enforce security with mechanisms in the VPN itself. Unless the trusted delivery network runs among physically secure sites only, both trusted and secure models need an authentication mechanism for users to gain access to the VPN.

VPN Tunneling

Virtual Private Networks (VPNs) provide secure and advanced connections through a non-secure network by providing data privacy. Private data is secure in a public environment. Remote access VPNs provides a common environment where many different sources such as intermediaries, clients and off-site employees can access information via web browsers or email. Many companies supply their own VPN connections via the Internet. Through their ISPs, remote users running VPN client software are assured private access in a publicly shared environment

The internet is not always public and as a corporation you have a certain right to privacy as long as your activities are not illegal.

I think the entire censorship debate is an over-reaction. It all started because child-porn and offensive websites were being censored and i say good! Those types of sites should be banned, censored and their creators locked up... along with subscribers. Those are the types of sites i would exepct to see banned and censored.

It is along way from strict and complete net censorship though.....

How much money do ISP and Major Telco's make from internet access??

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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:43 AM
I've said many times that the internet is the new Tower of Babel. Our gods don't want us all on one accord and speaking the same language.

posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 10:51 AM
reply to post by Havick007

I'm not sure if your understanding of VPNs is entirely correct. They are meant for securely connecting networks over geographical distances to operate as one. You require authentication on the network you are trying to VPN to. This is not intended for public domains such as the internet. The reason why websites inside VPNs are not available to the public is because they are not meant to be - they are typically inter-company portals for business use.

Even so, your traffic is still routed through your ISP and if the government was able to intercept and decode data through a VPN connection on the ISPs network - then everyone would use them! Anyone running a typical Windows home computer could setup a VPN to their home from anywhere without much of hassle.

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