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A Hypothetical Game (What kind of Government would you make?)

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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 11:58 AM
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So I think most of us can agree that our government has some huge issues and I've been thinking, What could we fix?

What type of government do you think is best...and how would it work?

I'll give a example from something I read on reddit:




Kowzorz 61 points 9 hours ago In my opinion, we're in an age where we could have a 100% democratic government no problem. At least, technology-wise. The question then becomes: Do we want a few to rule us by their will or do we want the majority to rule us by their will. I don't know which is scarier.


I don't agree with this...although I do like the concept. What is the perfect system guys? I'm seriously stumped here.




posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:03 PM
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The perfect government is where it is a true republic in that the people's rights are paramount to anything else. But we will have to have a "socialist" system in place to take care of all basic human needs.....food, water, energy, etc.

No monetary system per se, but a system of bartering for goods and services. Thereby giving no incentive for greed and corruption.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:07 PM
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In my opinion there is no perfect system. You see, once a new form of government goes into play poeple will initially do there best to uphold the new system.

But as years pass by and as new poeple step in they become complacent and thus, the once 'perfect' system isn't so perfect. It is now marred with deficiencies with no urgent action taken to fix it.

There has to be a system of government that keeps poeple and the officials on their toes.

But of course that too will have problems.
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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:07 PM
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A country where a State has more power than the Fed.

Where States can make laws different than the Fed.

Where politicians total net worth cannot exceed 25% of their net worth before becoming a politician. (this would limit people in power who are only in power to gain wealth)

Where all politicians can only server 8 years total.

No infringement on individual choice(does not harm others).

Flat tax.

When politicians break laws their punishment is at least double the private citizen.

More accountability for when authority figures i.e cops, politicians, etc when they break laws.

Mandatory life jail term for manipulating markets and insider trading. All JPM and alike would be in jail right now.

I could go on............



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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I think this is impossible though.

I don't think a perfect government is impossible I just think...well I don't know what I think. lol



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:14 PM
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I think we are a LONG way from it ever happening, but I believe the best system would be one where no human bias can possibly be allowed into the system. That is, a governmental body that regulates economy and enforces laws...all ran by an agreed-upon logic AI computer system that once turned on can never be manipulated by any person, ever. Basically, an artificial God-like system that would ensure fair treatment and equal opportunity for every person on the planet.

Though, the problems associated with actually agreeing upon what the system does would be insurmountable. If humans could ever come together and cooperate in the design of such a system, then the system itself would not be necessary. Basically, no government will ever be perfect, no matter how hard we try, simply because humans are not perfect beings and never will be.

At this point in human history, I think the USA has the closest to a workable system. Though, that is only if the system is actually working in the way it was designed to, which it isn't. The one thing I would change with our current system is this: Allow Congressional representatives to draft legislation, as they do currently, but instead of having the Congress also vote on said measures, put each measure to popular vote. Just an added layer of checks and balances, which our government desperately needs.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:14 PM
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No matter what it will fail. Unless you can accurately detect the Psychopaths amongst us and kill them (preferably at birth).

Psychopaths crave power, normal people don't. Psychopaths are willing to go to any means to get themselves power, Empathetic people are not.

Empathetic people will not try hard enough to get themselves into positions of power, they are just not that interested, they will not step on heads to get to the top.

In any competing system for power the Psychopaths will gain control every time and the world will suffer.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:18 PM
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I think we are a LONG way from it ever happening, but I believe the best system would be one where no human bias can possibly be allowed into the system. That is, a governmental body that regulates economy and enforces laws...all ran by an agreed-upon logic AI computer system that once turned on can never be manipulated by any person, ever. Basically, an artificial God-like system that would ensure fair treatment and equal opportunity for every person on the planet.


I picture this going horribly wrong.

Nice try robot overlord.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:18 PM
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The best Government is no Government. Man can rule himself.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:19 PM
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The most efficient and honest government.

One that uses all its power to move the human race forward, one that utilises all the tech we have to provide unlimited clean power, one that uses and shares all resourses, one that brings hemp back.

Who needs to be greedy, when if the world was running as smooth as it could everyone could have everything they've ever wanted.

I'd just replace the government with some logical people that do logical things.

Those in charge nowadays have no commen sense IMO



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:21 PM
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I like the question. But like so many of the so called threads these days. You fail the guidelines by not giving
enough of your own text. No SnF. Sorry.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:26 PM
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Huh? I wasn't asking for stars and flags?

I'm proposing a fun thinking game that is also relevant to this forum.

To be honest dude acting like you giving SnFs is a gift is kinda odd. :s



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:37 PM
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Ok. I´ll love following this thread. As for first we need to get rid off money system. When everything becomes bussiness the result is what we have now. DISASTER!

The best method we actually have to do proper things with proper results that benefit all of us is scientific method.
No politics involved. In fact politics never ever solved a single practical problem. Technicians and scientists do.
So i figure that a good way to start is copying the way that a group of technicians work when they are facing a new problem to solve. And in the end almost 100 percent of the times they ended solving it.

No politicians, no money, yes technological advances, yes to social engineering... less religion, more human care. The result could be that it must be a joy to born as human being, not a pain in the a....



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:44 PM
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I believe in only two kinds of government.

The most basic one is self-government. Shaming is a powerful restraining force. Set up the basic rules and let people handle justice by themselves. I have read of a short story once (link) that exemplifies a society based on a single rule and nothing more.

The other kind of government I believe in is Aristocracy. Train people to be governors from birth. Give them the necessary knowledge, the necessary life experience, everything deemed necessary for a good governor. Make it a class of citizens whose only obligation is to make all the decisions. Make such class small so they will fear us. This has a hidden advantage. In a democratic system, the enemy is us. How are you going to direct blame and punishment when we ourselves are to blame? The culprit is faceless since it is all of us. However, when you create a class of people responsible for it, you give the culprit a much necessary face that you can ascribe blame to.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:45 PM
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This one's easy:

1. Establish voting/taxpaying centers as ubiquituous as post offices or libraries. These should be on a physically seperate computer network that constantly crosschecks itself to prevent hacking. By "physically seperate" I mean dedicated landlines that only connect to regional centers, which connect to state centers and then to a national center. No general internet access whatsoever, and no wireless either.

2. Expand representation in the House as the Constitution envisioned by expanding the membership to achieve a representative/citizen ratio into something more meanignful than a few million to one. He who "represents" a million people represnts no one but himself and his cronies. This can be accomplished by keeping the current House as the Big Business Chamber (what it essentially functions as now) and creating three new ones: one for science and technology issues, one for health/agricultural, and environmental issues, and one for education, arts and humanities. Any bill passed in one chamber is presented to the full House and must pass before moving on to the Senate, which should be doubled in size.

3. All budgets passed by the Congress are put online in the taxpaying center systems. taxpayers would then allocate their own taxes to those uses they approved of or assign them to the general fund if they are lazy or unconcerned. Once a program's budget is full it is removed from the funding list. Any shortfalls are made up from the general fund at the discretion of the full Congress.

4. If items of national significance come up (like TARP), establish a threshold number of voters who choose to vote to override their Representative's vote is they vote against the Representative's vote. For instance, if more than, say, 40% of eligible voters came out and voted on an issue, AND over, say 60%, voted opposite what their Representative did, then their vote overrrides his or hers. The thresholds need to be fairly high and would require some tweaking to get right.

5. Cap wealth at some emotionally satisfying figure that rewards hard work, effort, and contributions to society while eliminating a source of societal danger: the wealth addicts/sociopaths who don't know when to say when on wealth, and must keep accumulating it no matter what it costs society.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:48 PM
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There are only two types of government

Those that are
absolutely rooted in Freedom

And all the others
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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 01:34 PM
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Kowzorz 61 points 9 hours ago In my opinion, we're in an age where we could have a 100% democratic government no problem. At least, technology-wise. The question then becomes: Do we want a few to rule us by their will or do we want the majority to rule us by their will. I don't know which is scarier.



You do realize this government is a republic, and not a democracy. Every facet of media and information warfare tells you this is a democracy, but it is not.

Why is this not a democracy? Because if 51% vote to kill you, you die. If 51% vote to oppress you, you are oppressed.

In a republic based on GOD Given, inalienable rights for all, the only function of the government is to protect the indivudual from anyone infringing on those rights, and nothing more.

NO

FEMA
IRS
TSA

NO

Red Tape



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 05:18 PM
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A country where a there is no federal reserve

Where States can make laws different than the federal government

Where politicians total net worth at the end of their service must exactly equal their net worth before becoming a politician. (this would limit people in power who are only in power to gain wealth)

Where all politicians can only serve 8 years total.

Ex politicians may not take a lobbying position until they have been a regular citizen for 150% of the time they were a politician.

Where lawyers cannot be involved in the making of laws

Where 4 of the 9 supreme court justices are not lawyers

No infringement on individual choice(does not harm others).

The Fair Tax.

When politicians break laws their punishment is a minimum of 10 years maximum security prison.

More accountability for when authority figures i.e cops, politicians, etc when they break laws.

Mandatory life jail term and forfeiture of all assets for manipulating markets and insider trading.

No anchor babies, no dual citizenship.

Mandatory 4 years of military or public service before being permitted to vote.

You must have the right to vote to become a politician

People on welfare may not vote while on welfare. Maximum of 2 years on welfare in your lifetime.(but during that 2 years you get free job training, free daycare and are paid equal to your states minimum wage)

I could also go on.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 05:45 PM
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Every one thousand people choose one person to represent them. No one stands for election, they are asked to be others representative.

Depending on the size of the country these that are chosen choose a group who are like minded, or geographical similar, and vote a representative perhaps from a thousand. And so on until there are a few left who collectively decide on a course of action for their people.

The balancer to this is continuous referendums of chosen issues that everyone can vote for or against. If more than 50% of voters are against a policy it must be changed. If 500 people of an elected representative raise a complaint or an issue that representative must act upon their wishes and report to the next level.

This complaint is recorded in the continuous referendum as an upcoming issue, and can become a chosen issue if it receives enough votes.

Power to the people



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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a government where obama is not president where pelosi,reid,schummer,frank,dodd,lahey,biden would be fired.

thats the kind of government i want where no lobbys corporate or union exist.

a government for of and by the people and not the trash we called our so called government.

a government that lives within its means a smaller government with very few agencies telling the people how to think and how to act and what they can put in their bodies and what they can do with their bodies.

a goverment where iminent domain doesnt exist a second ammedment as it was first written to have a people as well armed as its own government.

a government that would not allow the tsa gestapo actions

a government that has no patriot act a country that does not make war but has a military for the defense of this nation.

a government that has no department of education that has stupified this nations people/

a government that gets the hell out of the way and let the states defend their own borders.

meh lost my train of thought it was getting to depressing.

peace out.
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