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Loughner lawyers: Stop giving him medication

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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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Loughner lawyers: Stop giving him medication


www.azcentral.com

Jared Loughner's attorneys have asked a judge to stop psychiatrists from forcibly giving Loughner psychotropic drugs until a hearing can be held, claiming hospital staff violated his constitutional rights when he was put under medication.
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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 11:36 AM
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I don't know what to think about this quite yet. For his own defence he needs to be in the best shape possible when the trail starts, but is he such a threat to others that he needs to be possibly forced to take medicaions?

I'd like to know what meds he is taking and who is giving it to him. In my opinion, this has a Mcveigh-type ring to it. Even moreso when you find out that this is an ongoing issue between his lawyers, the courts and those in charge of keeping Loughner locked up.




Last month, Burns ruled that Loughner was currently incompetent to stand trial after two mental-health professionals diagnosed him as paranoid schizophrenic and delusional.

Loughner was sent to a federal hospital in Missouri where he is undergoing restoration treatment.


"Restoration treatment"? Very interesting to say the least.

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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 11:41 AM
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He was already found incompetent for trial.

Story


I doubt this clown will ever see a courtroom...



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 11:45 AM
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That's what I thought, but then why is he undergoing "restoration treatment"?

Insane or not, I think he is going to be tried, convicted and fry for the sake of public opinion.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:01 PM
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You might be right about a trial for the public consumption.

But I have to say....This guy is really a nutcase.

It better be some pretty good drugs to restore this guy.

I have never read more incoherent writings.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:10 PM
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Why is trying an insane person unacceptable but doping the insane person into coma then trying him is perfectly acceptable?
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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:11 PM
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I don't think they can restore him to a coherant state. He's been on a ton of drugs for some time now and these people are just adding to the mix.

If he stands trail, which I believe he will, he will be drooling on himself because of all the crap in his blood.

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Unfortunatly, some people do not have the benefit of completely understanding what is happening to them or why it was wrong to do what they did.

We shouldn't drug anyone if we can help it and we should not prosecute people if they do not have the mental ability to understand what they did. That's not to say they should not be put into a mental facility and such.
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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:34 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
....is he such a threat to others that he needs to be possibly forced to take medicaions?
That shouldn't matter. IF he is a threat to others, then there are many other precautionary methods that could be used to keep others protected. Either always ensure that others are a safe distance far enough away and/or chains and shackles on him, when he is near others.

IF he is a danger to himself, should be the only reason that he would need to be doped up 24/7.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:47 PM
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I agree. If he's a threat to others just leave him locked up. But if he's a danger to himself then
Let him do as he pleases. I believe he has that right.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:56 PM
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Two issues exist - was he competent when he shot those poor people, or was he insane. Is he currently competent to stand trial, or is he insane. - thus the reasons for the drugs to see if he is competent enough to stand trial, which is not linked to the time of the act (sanity/insane).



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 01:09 PM
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Obviously, you do not believe that he deserves a right to a fair trial.

GUILTY!!! Hang him. Why do they keep wasting money keeping him alive?

Other people could use these drugs that he's been taking; and the bed he's been sleeping in; and the blankets that keep him warm at night; and the food that he ingests; and clothes he wears. He could be permanently deleted with just a few of those drugs, along with the pillow that he lays his head on at night.
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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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I think you missed the point.

He should have a trail, and stand trail as Loughner, not the drug-induced man that was forced to take God knows what just to put him in a state that everyone else (not Loughner) deems ok.

Please read into the context and if I have misspoken I would be glad to clarify.

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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 02:10 PM
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Originally posted by sheepslayer247
Insane or not, I think he is going to be tried, convicted and fry for the sake of public opinion.

Well, I suppose I came to that conclusion, from a combination of the 2 comments.
this comment: "tried>convicted>fried."
& "If hes a danger to himself, let him"


Sorry if I took it wrong. I have possibly gotten accustomed to seeing so many comments on here, of people jumping immediately to a guilty verdict, that it has caused me to now jump to my own wrongful assumptions. It just seems like 'presumed innocent until proven guilty' no longer exists.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 04:38 PM
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Loughner knew exactly what he was doing. They are drugging him because they a.) want him to sound even crazier than his posts and b.) so he can't run his mouth and make people think about what he has to say.

I knew that this would happen. Silence those with a voice as to not wake the sheep.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 04:39 PM
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Originally posted by DonnaLynn
Loughner knew exactly what he was doing. They are drugging him because they a.) want him to sound even crazier than his posts and b.) so he can't run his mouth and make people think about what he has to say.

I knew that this would happen. Silence those with a voice as to not wake the sheep.



No, read my post. Its about being competent to stand trial.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 04:58 PM
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He's probably having a fun time all pumped full of psychotropic drugs.

Consider it his brainwashed, government assassin, Tread Stone/Blackbriar, "retirement plan".

Dude was a government mind control assassin, straight up.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by Cryptonomicon
He's probably having a fun time all pumped full of psychotropic drugs.

Consider it his brainwashed, government assassin, Tread Stone/Blackbriar, "retirement plan".

Dude was a government mind control assassin, straight up.



He's a NUT - end of story. He's nuttier than a pecan pie, and unfortunately the liberal socialist have used his actions as a means to curb weapons and magazine capacity.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 09:16 PM
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I don't think this has anything to do with weapon capacity.

This has to do with his right to not accept the medication. He has not been proven guilty of anything yet, although it's quite apparent that he is guilty, and we need to see Loughner as he is without the medication. In my opinion.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 09:32 PM
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If he's not fit for trial, why not just send him to a mental health facility where he has no chance of getting out? It'd save a lot of money trying to give him drugs to sit in a court.

I can understand the victim's families wanting to see him tried and given a proper sentence but if he's really that badly affected then putting him in a secure facility like a lot of other seriously ill criminals have been would suffice.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 10:04 PM
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i think a conditioning process is being implemented. it starts by conditioning people to accept that there exists a state of mind a person can be in that makes it perfectly legal and morally sound to medicate them against their will.

a while back i read on ats a story about a kid who was caught with a couple pounds of marijuana in his car, he was charged with trafficing, but mainly he was also ordered by the judge to be put on medication.

not only is the idea of forced medication being introduced, but also in conjunction with the idea that it can be based completely on the decision of a judge, lawyer or other law enforcement official to put a person on drugs.

again, i can only assume that the population would be so much easier to control if they were on medications. especially those shown to produce docile effects such as lithium, antidepressants etc. that idea must make the men behind the curtains salvate
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