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COINTELPRO: Mind control and Conspiracy Forums like ATS

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posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 05:52 AM
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Anonymous could be the governments attempt to place controls and restrictions on the internet and certain sites.

It is called Problem, Reaction, Solution. Oh no...Sony has been hacked and now Citi bank has been hacked. Government do something about these pesky hackers...

Ok....complete internet scrutiny and lock down. They do have the right to trace your IP address and follow what sites you are visiting.

If you think about it sites like ATS and GLP is a one stop shop for Cointelpro to watch dissidents and possible troublemakers and track them.




posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 06:07 AM
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reply to post by o0pinMind0o
 

If you want to chat about Anonymous there is a thread here where you will be on topic.

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 08:32 AM
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Originally posted by o0pinMind0o
reply to post by Pimander
 


WOW amazing i never thought i would come across this thread but amazingly i was thinking the other day about ATS that it could be manipulated by people like the FBI and throw in false and misleading threads just to throw people off course or just guide people in the wrong direction on purpose someone like COINTELPRO would do such a thing i think they are watching ATS none stop.

very nice thread thanks for posting.



I also came to the same conclusions, an obvious exemple of a possible manipulation, here at ATS is what protoplasmictraveler was victim of 1 month ago, for everyone who witnessed what happened, it was clear that conspiracy theorists who got to close to the hidden secret of TPTB are being manipulated and controled.



posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 08:37 AM
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reply to post by Isaacland
 


I'm sure a sub group of what is called COINTELPRO does indeed keep tabs on ATS and yes there are paid dis-info agents on as here as well, i mean logic would dictate such.


What happened to protoplasmictraveler was it a COINTELPRO type situation or something along those lines?
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posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 08:41 AM
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Originally posted by Isaacland
it was clear that conspiracy theorists who got to close to the hidden secret of TPTB are being manipulated and controled.


The only thing that's clear is that we take the Terms and Conditions of the site very seriously, and not all of our members understand that, sometimes until it's too late. The rest is conjecture and opinion, which in this case, happen to be false.

Don't deliberately post false info, don't plagiarize, be civil, remain on topic, no porn, gore, hate speech, hacking "how to", dope talk, or overall site disparagement. That's about it. Do that and you can get as close to any TPTB secrets you care to. Fail, and you're gone. It really is that simple. Although those who are unable or unwilling to do those simple things will of course, generally attribute their dismissal as something else. If you're unable to understand the rules enough to follow them, it isn't much of a stretch to see how you're still clueless about it after the hammer falls.



posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 08:55 AM
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reply to post by yeahright
 


i hope you're right but understand that for us, standard members, it's legitimate we can ask our self questions, i mean after all...., we are in a conspiracy site...



posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 09:05 AM
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You can ask yourself whatever you want. Bear in mind, those questions about this site specifically have been done ad nauseam, and are readily available and discoverable using the Search function. I recommend searching ATS COINTELPRO, for example.

What I've never understood is why anyone who thinks we might be, would even be here. You're not doing yourself any good, and certainly if that's the mind-set not going to do us any good either.

Reference the T&C-


24) Right of Community Management. This is a privately owned discussion board community. TAN reserves the right to take action against any member, or member Posting, which is deemed to be devoted purely to disruption, represents behavior contrary to community building, or in cases where the content is contrary to the core ideals of the Websites. This action may include removal of your Posting and/or complete banning of your username and IP address. TAN reserves the right to eliminate or edit any content deemed inappropriate for the discussion boards, news network or any affiliated sites. TAN reserves the right to establish limits on topics that may be discussed if, in their opinion, the discussion of those topics attract an audience that is counterproductive to maintaining the ideals set forth in the Terms and Conditions of Use and the Terms and Conditions of Membership.


False accusations about the site, and that's exactly what suggesting ATS is complicit in COINTELPRO are, aren't taken lightly and frankly we're not going to supply the resources for someone to drag us through the mud. Questioning is understandable, and has been done to death (again - do the search). Specific accusations are something else entirely.



posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 10:38 AM
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Originally posted by yeahright
False accusations about the site, and that's exactly what suggesting ATS is complicit in COINTELPRO are, aren't taken lightly and frankly we're not going to supply the resources for someone to drag us through the mud.

What on Earth are you getting so worked up about?

I have quite clearly stated that I don't think ATS is a COINTELPRO operation. It might be but I doubt that it is.


Originally posted by Pimander

Originally posted by TheUniverse
reply to post by Pimander
 

ATS could possibly be COINTELPRO. I know i will be blasted for speculating this but it is only speculation and conjecture.

As I have indicated already, I do not think that a site has to be controlled by an intelligence agency for it to be used as a platform for operations.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

And again here.

Originally posted by Pimander
I am not accusing all the mods and owners of being in on some plot. They don't have to be.
www.abovetopsecret.com...

However, I have provided ample evidence that intelligence strategists have planned to and are almost certainly operating on forums like ATS. The staff of the site do not even have to be aware of it - which means that saying there is no intelligence activity on this site is also speculation. In fact, you might believe it isn't happening but that is ONLY your opinion and worth no more that any other members.

By the same token, the member you are arguing with is entitled to their opinion - which is backed up by some interesting evidence but not proof. Again - that opinion is worth at least as much as yours unless you have some evidence that contradicts my own.... I don't see you presenting any.


The fact that this thread has been heavily flagged must tell you something. My guess is that a lot of members have a hunch that these forums are used covertly which is why there is so much interest. I have just put the idea on a firmer but, perhaps, less hysterical footing? The readers can be the judge of that.

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posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 10:54 AM
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Originally posted by Pimander
What on Earth are you getting so worked up about?


Worked up? Hardly. I was addressing specifics, which is apparent to anyone who reads the posts. The thread's still here, isn't it? What are you so worked up about?



posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 11:04 AM
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Ooops! On second read, perhaps you weren't getting worked up. How embarrassing.


Sorry.


When I scanned the posts I got the idea Isaac was being unfairly flamed. Silly me.

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P.S. You can't remove it now cos you posted on it

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posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 11:24 AM
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Originally posted by yeahright
reply to post by Isaacland
 


What I've never understood is why anyone who thinks we might be, would even be here. You're not doing yourself any good, and certainly if that's the mind-set not going to do us any good either.


its only speculation, just seems a site "like" this would have people that would create topics that would keep people off track.


Originally posted by blazenresearcher
Anonymous could be the governments attempt to place controls and restrictions on the internet and certain sites.

It is called Problem, Reaction, Solution. Oh no...Sony has been hacked and now Citi bank has been hacked. Government do something about these pesky hackers...


if i were in control i would have my own people create problems and already have a solution in hand. that will keep other skeptics buzy.



posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 11:31 AM
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Originally posted by Isaacland
here at ATS is what protoplasmictraveler was victim of 1 month ago

Oh... you have inside knowledge as to the behind-the-scenes reasons for a member being banned? Do tell.




for everyone who witnessed what happened, it was clear that conspiracy theorists who got to close to the hidden secret of TPTB are being manipulated and controled.

How was he being manipulated and controlled?

And if you believe something nefarious happened, can you explain how is it that, if he "got too close to the hidden secret of TPTB," none of his posts have been removed?



posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 11:34 AM
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Originally posted by blazenresearcher
Anonymous could be the governments attempt to place controls and restrictions on the internet and certain sites.

It is called Problem, Reaction, Solution. Oh no...Sony has been hacked and now Citi bank has been hacked. Government do something about these pesky hackers...

Ok....complete internet scrutiny and lock down. They do have the right to trace your IP address and follow what sites you are visiting.

If you think about it sites like ATS and GLP is a one stop shop for Cointelpro to watch dissidents and possible troublemakers and track them.


if i wanted to seriously and secretly communicate anything to anyone, i obviously wouldn't come to a site even closly related to this site.
i would go to innocent discussion sites such as those involved in cooking, vacationing, site seeing, gardening, coin collecting, pet grooming, audubon society, wood working, health blogs...you get the idea. the massive number (in the millions) of these mundane sites, combined with topic-coded messages is enough to keep NSA/DHS busy.

only amatuers and blowhards would use this site for anything of a serious nature involving a national security concern.
plus, you have the public sites that display open hatred and encourage destruction and death to all of us westerners, written in many languages from around the world.



posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 11:42 AM
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Originally posted by blazenresearcher
If you think about it sites like ATS and GLP is a one stop shop for Cointelpro to watch dissidents and possible troublemakers and track them.

That is the blindingly obvious fact that seems to be lost on some people.

In the OP and several other posts, I was also trying to show that - apart from monitoring "dissidents" - there are other less passive uses for theses sites. I hope that isn't entirely lost on you all. The thread is getting longer and less on topic as time passes.
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posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 12:47 PM
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[hide]Damn!! Busted!! Gotta spin it somehow... Think... think...[/hide]

My avatar is a symbol of the Washington monument. Hmmm...

Nope. It's in memory of a very good man, who was incredibly helpful to me both before and after I joined the staff here...

Disinfo-agent? Really? Sorry. I'm much too ignorant to be a good disinfo-agent.

The reality is much more mundane. Just a guy who enjoys voicing/writing his opinion on various matters pertaining to events of interest.

...and yes, it is Washington State. Wouldn't live in the other on a bet. So not East coast.



posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 01:25 PM
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Originally posted by TheBirdisDone
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Very, very dangerous to be dismissive of E4s. Must be Army.
Wasn't this young person who caused a little scandal we call WikiLeaks but a lowly, young, E4? Opps!
Fair share of Air Force E4s with Bachlors even Masters Degrees, good managers look across the spectrum of rank and realize talent isn't pigeon holed. The absolute "go to guy" where I ended up was some GS14 civilian who wore E5 rank on Active. Might want to pay attention to what the "little" guys are up to


You are right as far as it goes, but it doesn't go very far. There are plenty of E-4s with Bachelors degrees. I was one myself. Master's degrees--not so much, unless you can prove it. But that's kind of beside the point. Your average E-4 is a high school graduate who is about 20 years old. They are given plenty of responsibility, but the point is to pay attention to the positions they fill, they're "billets." Like it or not, they are lowest on the totem pole of the NSA heirarchy. That doesn't mean they are not important. In fact, you could make a case that they are the MOST important because they are the ones in first contact with the data.

But these folks are not decision makers in the sense that they are "agents" who attempt to manipulate opinion on forums. The best way to describe them is that they are data collectors. So are their bosses and their bosses bosses. Their 'decision making' amounts to saying, "This may be important" and passing it up. From my perspective that's an important tidbit of information. It is the most likely "contact" that is relevant to this board.

As I understand it there are three specialties at this level. Note that this is publicly available information. It is not classified. You can find it on military recruiting web sites. One is administrative. These are the paper pushers whose concern is security. The second is technical. These guys run the networks and the computers. The third is linguists, the guys who know the languages. I believe Manning was an 'analyst' on the administrative side though he was know to be pretty good with computers. He was not a linguist, for sure.

I don't know what to make of your comment, "Must be Army." The SIGINT facilities are composed of all branches of the service in the same building at the same time. They have all gone to the same joint schools such as the Defense Language Institute in Monterey, California or advanced training such as provided at Goodfellow AFB in Texas. It's not like the Navy keeps to itself on ships. Indeed, contractors are also thrown into the mix here and, once in a great while, you might actually get an real NSA employee. Most of them are not NSA employees. It's just that they work in a facility in which the NSA has a deep interest.

Yes, Manning was actually an E-3. He got busted for fighting. There's a lot of blame to go around at many levels for that incident.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 07:54 AM
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I can't help finding it funny how we have ended up with intelligence insiders making small talk on this thread. I know you aren't talking about COINTELPRO or information warfare propaganda but it is funny.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 01:09 PM
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Originally posted by Pimander
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I can't help finding it funny how we have ended up with intelligence insiders making small talk on this thread. I know you aren't talking about COINTELPRO or information warfare propaganda but it is funny.


Well, I don't consider myself much of an insider, but it eems to me that there is a lot of mis-information about how the NSA works and that these assumptions influence what people think they know about disinformation and COINTELPRO. Once you begin to understand that the NSA is a big listening post employing largely low-ranking military people and contractors as the front line data collectors, then the idea of an organized and sophisticated disinformation campaign against sites like ATS seems less and less likely. I'm not claiming it is impossible, just that it is unlikely. I hope some of the information I have been able to provide here can offer some insight on what they might be doing here and how they might be doing it. My contention is that if there is an NSA presence on this site, it is at a very low level and may not even be conscious. i.e.: It may be automated.

I've noticed that people often argue backwards on ATS threads. In other words, people try to fit statements into their idea of how the world works when they should be using new informastion to figure out how the world works. For example, there is a thread here now about the "Ghost of Flight 401." An L-1011 (el-ten-eleven) crashed in the Everglades many years ago. One of the many casualties was the flight engineer, whose ghost began appearing on airplanes that had salvaged parts from the wreckage. Books were written. There was a movie starring Ernest Borgnine, etc. One of the things this "ghost" said was, "There will never be another crash of an L-1011."

The fact is, there WAS another crash several years later in Texas where over 100 people were killed, including the guy who invented the IBM-PC. The ghost in this case was flat out wrong. That doesn't mean there was no ghost; it just means he was wrong. Except people didn't want the ghost to be wrong, so they immediately began trying to turn his statement around.

They would say, "Well, he actually meant when he was there to protect them, but they took the parts out, so he could no longer do that." But he said nothing about he being part of a protection issue.

"Well, he actually meant another crash that was due to pilot error and the other crash wasn't pilot error." But he said nothing about pilot error.

"Well, he actually meant another Eastern Airlines crash and the other crash was a Delta flight." But he said nothing about what airline.

In all these cases people are trying to put stuff into the original statement, "There will never be another crash" that simply is not there. They're making stuff up.

And that's what happens every time the weekly "Disinfo agent" thread starts up again. There is no evidence. What we DO know about how the NSA operates would seem to indicate that they do not act that way. No one has come up with any evidence at all and, no, you can't just "tell" because you're so smart.

In fact, the "disinfo agent" argument and accusation is a disingenuous one. It is used primarily to contradict someone who doesn't agree with whatever conspiracy is on the table, whether it's 9/11 as an inside job, chemtrails, or alien abductions. Someone says you're being idiotic and making stuff up. Well, then, you must be a disinfo agent. It's just like the racism argument. I profess a dislike of Obama's foreign policy. well, then, I must be a racist.

That kind of specious argument is used so often on these forums that it is almost a cliche now to refer to the "denying ignorance" tagline of ATS and point out that ATS does the opposite and promotes it. It's very likely a thankless job to point this out. I'm probably just wasting my time.



posted on Jul, 1 2011 @ 07:31 PM
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Originally posted by SkepticOverlord

for everyone who witnessed what happened, it was clear that conspiracy theorists who got to close to the hidden secret of TPTB are being manipulated and controled.

How was he being manipulated and controlled?

And if you believe something nefarious happened, can you explain how is it that, if he "got too close to the hidden secret of TPTB," none of his posts have been removed?

Why would getting "too close to the hidden secret of TPTB." result in his posts being removed? This site is about denying ignorance surely?

I thought he was being manipulated by somebody outside ATS? Is there something I missed?



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