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The Somalia Conspiracy is Real!!!

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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 12:28 AM
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Saw a video a while ago saying a star gate opened in the gulf there and these pirates were the cover up.. Might be worth looking in to the guy being interviewed was exmilitary.




posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 01:32 AM
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Na its a fair comment mate, tbh I wouldnt be suprised if they had an alien base under the water there with loadsa ufos flying out that they were trying to keep secret and especially from the tourists seeing it going on. I suspect its something much more mundane though, piracy is used all over the world for our navy to train and practice as a way to reclaim back some of the massive investment in them (ie stopping theft, illegal drug smugling etc) With such large amounts of piracy it would be a great place to train navys and do oint training ops with other navies as well.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 01:40 AM
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I hate to pop your bubble but the world is run by insurance companies and it is they who say, "no gun crews" on ships. Why? Easy. They don't to be in a position where they might have to shell out money. Worse yet to set a precedent. Businessmen and insurers run the world. Never forget that.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 01:46 AM
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dont think its the fact that the pirates are "only" armed with ak47s and rpgs,if you had ever had either fired at you,you would know although not the latest and best they kinda do the job,but the fact that they dont appear alongside and raise a jolly rodger.they are on your 80 feet high tanker etc.before you know they have approached.
am sure the big shipping companies would gladly arm the crew.guns dont cost much.even the fact that most crews are from less economically developed countries and probably would not scream "health and safety at work"if asked to defend their vessel.but the crew would need to literally double with the amount of lookouts needed.radar doesnt pick up inflatable craft,at least not in civilian circles anyway.so think in general that point is moot.
....however it is a good cover to put navy in the area whether for political or defence reasons.kinda covers quite a large area.to put it simply if someone is walking up and down outside your house with a big stick there is probably a reason why they have picked that location



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 01:53 AM
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Your conclusion is based on the official version of the stories, those who keep an open mind see differently. It still doesn't explain the huge build up, and the fact that since the build up, the pirates have increased their operations, and the boundaries of the operation, which is why I said it looks like something is getting bigger, but covered using the lame Piracy excuse. Then I laid forward some assumptions in to what that "some thing could possibly be", we don't know, that's where the speculation come sin.

As I said before, you don't need the combined force of 27 nation's Navy to fight pirates when all it takes is couple of guards on each cargo ship.

Once again, sounds like a cover up story. It is like the story in New Zealand, the military dispatched a tank to what they called a stand off between an armed man in his own house, and police.

Why would you dispatch a tank against one man lol Those who have closed minds believe it, those who are open to possibilities, think about those possibility.

I think the tank was dispatched for a bigger reason, what ever that reason maybe is up for speculation.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 02:16 AM
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That area of ocean would be a handy 'controlled' rally point if they ever decided to move into the Persian Gulf to hit Iran....

Just a thought....


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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 02:26 AM
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There are images online of the supposed 'stargate' but to me it looks like a dust storm.

www.grt-intel.com...


Image -

www.welcomethelight.com...



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 02:41 AM
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Your grasping at straws OP, seriously. There's no cover up, you can't just arm the crew as their not trained to protect the ships, and weapons laws differ significantly from port to port, so it takes a professional security company to fill that role of putting trained men on the ships with the right weaponry.

Funding for pirates is increasing which is why the attacks are increasing. It's a lucrative business. To say the news stories are just made up to cover up something else is way off the mark, what you hear in the media is only the tip of the iceberg, attacks are happening out there almost on a daily basis. Maritime security is now big business and ex Navy Seals and SAS are taking up a lot of the top positions.
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posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 02:47 AM
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True as that is, the insurance companies are making a loss out there:

www.mb.com.ph...



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 03:19 AM
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Originally posted by confreak
Why this hype about Somali Pirates when the solution is giving the ship crews some automatic weapon to defend their ships.


Well, they do on oil rigs in areas that are prone to pirates.

A great point there.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 03:22 AM
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Originally posted by mb2591
Saw a video a while ago saying a star gate opened in the gulf there and these pirates were the cover up.. Might be worth looking in to the guy being interviewed was exmilitary.


Aaron McCollum is his name, ex Coast Guard.




posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 05:12 AM
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Originally posted by NuclearPaul

Originally posted by confreak
Why this hype about Somali Pirates when the solution is giving the ship crews some automatic weapon to defend their ships.


Well, they do on oil rigs in areas that are prone to pirates.

A great point there.


It's not a great point at all
Ships crews are trained to be seamen, why are people just presuming they know how to handle an automatic weapon? They're trained in the maritime industry, not the security sector.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 06:07 AM
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I would strongly steer anyone away from pursuing any doing this kind of Security work. As I said earlier, I have conducted these Armed transits from Oman to Djibouti and Oman to Columbo. Piracy is VERY real in these areas. These guys aren't great shots but they're not afraid to lay down a hail of bullets to try and stop vessels. Having said that, these security companies don't care that much for your welfare either. I've been stranded in Oman, detained in Sri Lanka and Djibouti, all because the companies can't get their act together to inform shipping agents when we are arriving at our destination port to clear us through Immigration. A couple of guys recently got detained for 5 months and charged with espionage in Eritrea, because they tried to stash away weapons on a nearby island.

I heard all about the Stargate long before I went out there, and I asked around and kept my eyes open for any Elite Coastguard black op dolphin spooks. There's nothing over there.

The closest Navy will respond if you are being attacked, regardless of the Nationality of the vessel.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by 13star
I would strongly steer anyone away from pursuing any doing this kind of Security work. As I said earlier, I have conducted these Armed transits from Oman to Djibouti and Oman to Columbo. Piracy is VERY real in these areas. These guys aren't great shots but they're not afraid to lay down a hail of bullets to try and stop vessels. Having said that, these security companies don't care that much for your welfare either. I've been stranded in Oman, detained in Sri Lanka and Djibouti, all because the companies can't get their act together to inform shipping agents when we are arriving at our destination port to clear us through Immigration. A couple of guys recently got detained for 5 months and charged with espionage in Eritrea, because they tried to stash away weapons on a nearby island.

I heard all about the Stargate long before I went out there, and I asked around and kept my eyes open for any Elite Coastguard black op dolphin spooks. There's nothing over there.

The closest Navy will respond if you are being attacked, regardless of the Nationality of the vessel.


Not all security companies are like you say, though obviously some are. The industry as a whole is constantly improving, and there's a lot more to it now than just putting bodies and guns on board. The mistake a lot of companies have made is the weaponry, using black market arms.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 01:28 PM
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But your conclusion is based on nothing but pure and utter speculation. Be smart there are so many reasonable explanations. NAvies need other navies to train and piracy and counter smuggling is a huge amount of what helps them train as it is better than any simulation.

Gather evidence then form a theory once you have enough where it might sound plausable. Just wildly speculating with no evidence other than 'this doesnt feel right' is what gets us labeled as 'consiparacy nuts'. Fair enough I've just read the official media stories, but you haven't offered any other proof at all, just speculation!

If we just speculated all the time then everything would be an alien base, or HAARP weapon, or time travelers from the future etc. We need evidence to be taken seriously and rightly so otherwise anyone could make any claim based on just a feeling.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 01:42 PM
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Also the companies want ot avoid violence at all costs. A dead crew member would mean loads of compensation and also the pirates board the ships before they are detected which means even a well trained armed crew would have to engage in an awful cqb battle and if they kill or wound any of the pirates then the crew will surely suffer. This would be yet more fallout for the comapnies to deal with. I dont get this thread, there isnt any evidence against the official story at all.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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Also piracy is getting bigger because of the payouts. If you lived someplace where the average wage was a few hundred bucks a year and you could earn millions of dollars by using your seamanship and wepons that are readily available then a lot of people are guna pirate. ITs getting bigger because they use tactics that are hard to detect/prove that they are pirates. The small boats cant be detected at night so boarding a ship is easy. Once on board it is in everyones interests not to resist, at close range untrained men with automatic weapons can overwhelm a trained crew let alone if they are taken by suprise, plus the civiliian seamen dont want to risk death, they artn soldiers and their employer certainly doesnt want the risk of paying millions of dollars compensation to their families.

The most interesting this gets is probably large scale insurance fraud, but I would suggest even that is fairly rare,



posted on Jun, 30 2011 @ 08:00 AM
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Originally posted by clintdelicious
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I dont get this thread, there isnt any evidence against the official story at all.


Same here, if anything the situation is being down played rather than over hyped.



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 01:57 AM
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The Conspiracy got even realer, just in, US has a secret facility in Somalia... Source



posted on Jul, 13 2011 @ 02:01 AM
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Originally posted by confreak
Somali Pirates aren't that well equipped, infact most of them only have automatic rifles, and only some have RPGs. Usually they board massive ships on tiny boats with engines attached to it, but they do have motherships, those motherships stay away so to not get detected.

I believe this isn't a problem, think about it, how many bullets would it take to sink a small boat which the pirates use?

I smell a cover up here, seriously, I do. Why this hype about Somali Pirates when the solution is giving the ship crews some automatic weapon to defend their ships.


I'm almost positive somebody, or a group of somebodies more likely, sat down in a room somewhere and calculated two numbers:

Number A: The cost of the occasional hijack (which, despite the drama, is not really an everyday event)

Number B: The cost of equipping people on board with guns, training them, insuring them, fending off lawsuits from workers who accidently shoot themselves in the foot, etc.

Then they decided that since Number A was smaller than Number B, adopting Number B would impact the company's bottom line.

No conspiracy, just capitalism as usual...


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