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What muslims really think about Terrorism, Democracy and the West

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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by Evanzsayz[/url]
As long as you denounce america terrorists groups, denounce bombings of cities and mass murders of the middle east people...you want to know the real terrorists, turn on your tv and watch there right under your nose. Maybe they wouldnt hate us and they wouldnt be extremeists that wanted to hurt the usa if you guys stopped killing their people


That doesn't make any sense. 9/11 was before Iraq and Afghanistan were invaded.

So if we leave them alone, we can only expect a few airliners flying into skyscrapers?.




posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 06:05 PM
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Anyone can produce a few tables with numbers representing anything they wish.

It means nothing. Every survey, statistic that is offered by different government or civilian departments can be made to look one way or another.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 06:06 PM
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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 06:20 PM
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Originally posted by phatpackage
How many morons try to justify and brush of criticism about his many and extremely young wives with arguments like "It was just the time ...... It's what they did then ...." They are a joke!. All they are doing is glorifying a war mongering perverted pedophile! How many suckers lined up to offer their daughters to him! Bahahahahah!


Muhammad: The Warrior Prophet

www.historynet.com...



The idea of Muhammad as a military man will be new to many.

Yet he was a truly great general.

In the space of a single decade he fought eight major battles, led eighteen raids, and planned another thirty-eight military operations where others were in command but operating under his orders and strategic direction.



He was quite a lad, that Muhammad, for a man who started the religion of 'peace'. He possessed a lot of slaves (including some that shared his bed) and encouraged his men to rape captive women. Nor was he beyond political assassination or executing POWs. Raiding of caravan trains and killing the guards was a run of the mill occurance.

All in all, the Koran, Hadiths and the first biography about him (by a devout Muslim) don't paint a picture of a man of peace at all. The portray him as a blood thirsty warlord.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 06:24 PM
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Originally posted by phatpackage
reply to post by Skyfloating
 



I once heard a quote "Not all Muslims are terrorists but all the terrorists are Muslims" I would say I have to disagree 100%! Northern Irish Nationalists are right up there with the Muslim extremists as being terrorists! No doubt about it! I hope all their supporters rot!


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You absolute ignoramus. I would love to simply mock you because you deserve little more than that.

In the N.Ireland conflict you seem to forget that there is a Unionist Faction involved. I'm guessing your a good ol fashioned White Hooded protestant hopping on the anti-catholic wagon. The British Military has been found to be meddling in the affairs of the north and using the Unionists as a front for the military murder of high value targets.

In fact just recently a spate of violence kicked off in the North caused by the Unionists. While I think that the IRA, Sinn Fein and the Nationalists are little more than petty criminals now - I would not call them terrorists because they were fighting for their independence from a foreign power. The only groups in the North that support the Crown are those that were planted and given land generations ago to settle in "savage Ireland".

I would go on pointing out your idiocy but I think it is sufficient to stop here and await your predicable yet sadly assured reply.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 06:26 PM
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Who realy cares,no one likes muslims



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 06:41 PM
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Originally posted by KDM_Souljah
Who realy cares,no one likes muslims


And there we have it folks..



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 06:47 PM
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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 06:52 PM
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Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine

People always conveniently leave us out of the discussion because the majority of us here denounce terrorism and violence of any kind.

Spoken by a muslim.


So as a Muslim do you renouce Muhammad ordering people to be burnt for not praying?



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 07:01 PM
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Since Osama Bin Laden (Cia Asset Tim Osman) has been dead for nearly a decade ( this corroborated by Benazhir Bhutto and Dr Steve Pieczenik (Tom Clancy's "Dr Jack Ryan) who served under 4 US Presidents and their administrations, AND since Al Qeida is a Zbigniew Brezezinski/CIA creation AND since we have demonized Muslims and the peoples of the Middle East for nearly a century... I'd have to say that your analysis is worth zip, it is Subjective and on the whole FALSE.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 07:04 PM
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This Thread is like Im Watching from FOX NEWS



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 07:06 PM
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Lupe Fiasco - Obama In America, A Terrorist




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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 07:08 PM
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Originally posted by ollncasino

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine

People always conveniently leave us out of the discussion because the majority of us here denounce terrorism and violence of any kind.

Spoken by a muslim.


So as a Muslim do you renouce Muhammad ordering people to be burnt for not praying?


What a load of crap, I know which book you are referring to by Gilbert Hanz, nothing but racial and prejudicial rhetoric - no different to the books bashing Christianity and other religions.

Do your homework, I did and I realised half the crap being spouted on the internet is a lie (what a surprise there). Simply reading something and then jumping up and down in your chair with glee because you think you know something doesn't really amount to much buddy.

Do some actual research, look at the facts and not your single minded narrow focused view of the world as this will only make you a miserable person in the end.

Someone mentioned Australia, funny how so many white Australians are becoming Muslims...surely if it is this horrible religon that teaches people to socialogical psychopaths people must eventually realise and walk away - but the fact is people don't.

True it's in the public eye but only because it's the new enemy at the moment. Once the world has got tired of chasing after the invisible boogy man they will turn to the next religion, Christianity, then Judaism and anything else that teaches people to believe in themselves and something greater and not the athiestic beliefs of serving your government and the leaders.

Religion has sweet F all to do with the problems of this world, it's the people who are so intoxicated on this materialistic world. I am not one to promote religion as I think most religious people are crack heads most of the time but I do believe in something higher than ourselves governing us.

I mean ffs, just take a look at us, humans. We are a dot > . < in the universe. We have amazing videos on youtube now showing the vastness and magnitude of the universe and someone turns around "yeah god made us in his image"...what microscopic and not so significant?....


We are nothing but dust in the hands of the creator.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 07:13 PM
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Mind of Intellect


Dude, your word has thousand legitimate meanings.Even i studied in books , not by google lol.S for U
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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 07:16 PM
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Originally posted by Unity_99
There sure are a lot who make generalizations against those in Islam countries. For those who participated and gave extreme opinions, I can only feel sorry for the heavy programming they are under. Their light and sense of equality is being distorted and bent out of shape by fascist, theocracies and sharia regimes.

I wish Iran had been included, for many there are not happy with their government.


ROSES OF IRAN


Thanks for sharing the video. I think it was very interesting and shows the level of action that needs to be taken. We are all people, and we need to get the rest of the world caught up with us if we are going to make a better world for everyone.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 07:27 PM
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Originally posted by semperfortis
The human war is with extremists, not any one ideology

At least in my opinion

Semper


That is the truth, yet to defend against the dangerous extremists we have to identify who they are.
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On topic -

Since the Islamic Extremists are, or would appear to be the largest threat facing the world at the moment, it's not possible to realistically look at the problem without factoring in radical Islam. We are also on a site where most of the Islamists we see here are obviously of the radical bent. Not all, but more than a few that I assume change their names often.

With 1.5 billion adherents, even if the number of extremists is as low as a couple of percent (from the polls it looks more like 7 to as high as 15 percent) it can create a huge issue for all of the world. No other group poses this great of a threat to the planet; in fact no other comes even close.

Other religions pose no such risk. Islam is unique in this at this time in history. The Theocratic Dictatorships controlled by them make them a huge threat to the entire planet. For instance the people of Iran pose no threat, but they have zero control of their government, a radical Islamic sect controls it.

Burying our head in the sand about the threat and it's source will only make it easier for the extremists, it will put us at a far greater risk in the future.

The World due to insane political correctness has allowed the extremists to grow and increase the danger. Why? Because they have couched the argument in such a way as to not allow you to criticize the extremists by using their version of the Race Card. If you criticize the Terrorist, you must then be a hater of Muslims. Which is of course insane and untrue, but those they wish to control are suckers for it.

Here in the US right now we are seeing an example of how a small radical group, the globalist progressives have taken complete control of our Federal Government. They make up, from what I've read and seen about 15% of the Democratic Party but have complete control of the Party. Same thing is occurring with radical Islam.

Even at the low estimates, we are talking ten or more million extremists hell bent on taking over the world and creating a Caliphate. Knowing that, it simply does not matter that most Muslims are in fact decent peace loving folks.

On top of that, we have elements of the Progressives like the Bill Ayers bunch who for whatever reason are joining forces with radical Islam. It's a no brainier that when the time comes that radical Islam will turn on them. Since many of Obama's people are well known as part of those who believe as Ayer's does, I don't buy they are not acting with the blessings of the White House. Ayers may not be welcome in even Canada, but I'm sure he is on Obama's Christmas Card Short List.

Even Canada had the common sense to see Ayers for who he was and ban him from inside their borders. Most Liberals are not like Ayers even though his ilk have control at the moment. Perhaps that in the end will stop this from getting worse. Sadly though the poor and uneducated who make it possible for the Progressives to hold office, will not anytime soon magically turn into informed Liberals and understand that Obama and company are not actually Democrats, but instead a group who have taken over their Party by deception.

How often have you seen a discussion by the core membership of the Democratic Party about them being usurped by the radical Progressive movement?

We are also now seeing Unions get in on the relationship with radical Islam. Why do you suppose that is?



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 07:37 PM
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Originally posted by solid007
This Thread is like Im Watching from FOX NEWS


Are you then claiming that the radical Islamic extremists pose zero threat? Please expand on that?

The number one victim of radical Islam are the Muslims themselves. What the West has supposedly done to the Muslims, pales in comparison to the slaughter taking place involving Muslim on Muslim violence. Most targets of Terrorist attacks are in fact other Muslims. That is a simple fact and an indisputable one. Sadly some fall for the propaganda from the Terrorists and their sympathizers. Burying their head in the sand is easier than having an adult conversation I suppose.

Some of us are capable of chewing gum and walking at the same time. We have the capacity to seperate radical Islam from the general Muslim population. It's actually quite easy when you let critical thinking take over and set your (childish) hate of anyone with different political views than you aside.

The only people on this planet who should side with or sympathize with radical Islam, are members of it or propagandists working on their side for whatever reason. Of course some do it out of illiteracy and let others do their thinking for them, while being unaware of facts as they would rather someone else think on their behalf. Question is why would any rational person side with them? They would not.
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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 07:47 PM
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Originally posted by Blaine91555

Originally posted by solid007
This Thread is like Im Watching from FOX NEWS


Are you then claiming that the radical Islamic extremists pose zero threat? Please expand on that?

The number one victim of radical Islam are the Muslims themselves. What the West has supposedly done to the Muslims, pales in comparison to the slaughter taking place involving Muslim on Muslim violence. Most targets of Terrorist attacks are in fact other Muslims. That is a simple fact and an indisputable one. Sadly some fall for the propaganda from the Terrorists and their sympathizers. Burying their head in the sand is easier than having an adult conversation I suppose.

Some of us are capable of chewing gum and walking at the same time. We have the capacity to seperate radical Islam from the general Muslim population. It's actually quite easy when you let critical thinking take over and set your (childish) hate of anyone with different political views than you aside.

The only people on this planet who should side with or sympathize with radical Islam, are members of it or propagandists working on their side for whatever reason. Of course some do it out of illiteracy and let others do their thinking for them, while being unaware of facts as they would rather someone else think on their behalf. Question is why would any rational person side with them? They would not.
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The tone of your Text seems contradictory.You Believe every Muslim is terrorist?Your clearly a racial farcards and minor IQ to begin with.I don't have time to correct loosers like U

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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 07:54 PM
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Is it suicide bombers or the deaths of their predominately civilian victims that you abhor ?

`Suicide bombing`s` to my mind smack of desperation- no doubt if such individuals could drop their ordinance from an F16 ......... they would.
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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 07:57 PM
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Say hello to my wise athiest friend





The NON FOX NEWS

The fictional Terrorist

edit on 28-6-2011 by solid007 because: (no reason given)




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