What muslims really think about Terrorism, Democracy and the West

Originally posted by Athee
Myself I'm Lebanese, ex-christian (now athiest), and I've lived more than half my life in the UAE, a country with a majority of muslims that exceed 90%.

The locals there are amazing people. VERY religious yes, but far from having any sort of extremist views.

That is interesting.

What are your views on the Bangladeshi man lashed 100 times, in the UAE, for having sex with a Filipina maid?

www.dailymail.co.uk...

reply to post by My.mind.is.mine


No, it is YOU who fail, and Ollncasino who is absolutely correct in saying that Islam allows Muslim men to rape any infidel child or woman---even Muslim clerics have openly stated that it is the fault of infidel women for "not wearing a veil"!

Not only that, but our brave soldiers in Afghanistan have been shocked to discover Muslim men raping Muslim boys, all perfectly allowed under Islam, because boys are considered to be "GIRLS" until they reach puberty, so they can be raped accordingly.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
And what about muslims in America?

People always conveniently leave us out of the discussion because the majority of us here denounce terrorism and violence of any kind.


Spoken by a muslim.

Im not conventiently leaving anything out. Id have loved to see the stats on muslims living in the West as well as Saudi Arabia, Yemen, Iran, Afghanistan, among others.

Whats up with your pic? A little suspicious.

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
Didn't even read your post aside from the first sentence, because I AM muslim. It's very obvious if you read ANY of the damn thread..

Is that a rather feeble attmept to avoid having to comment on passges from the Koran/hadiths that show the penalty for homosexuality is death, sex outside marriage is 100 lashes and that Muhhamed (may peace be apon him) ordered people to be burnt to death for not praying?

Originally posted by phatpackage
To all the ATS terrorist sympathisers, go live in these countries and see how much these extremists love you! Go on join the enemy with the hatred they started!

Sonny, If the west weren't sticking it's nose where it didn't belong, terrorist organizations like Al-Qaeda wouldn't exist and this "hatred they started" wouldn't be there. Quit living in ignorance and denial.

reply to post by ollncasino


I edited my post..

Oh, and if you check with the times (5th-7th centuries) I'm sure EVERY culture would punish various crimes by death... That's the way things worked..

Pre-islamic arabs used to bury their daughters alive because they were "useless" in carrying on the family legacy as they had no seed to plant.

That's just the way stuff went back then. You can find a lot of "kill he who ______" in the bible too..

Obviously, your beef is just with islam.

reply to post by ollncasino


I said the PEOPLE of the UAE, not the government. The government is partly Sharia yes, and therefore enforces laws like these, but that was never my point. Everyday people like you and me, that you meet on the street, do not think like that, far from it.

Originally posted by RizeorDie
too bad saudi arabia wahhabis are not included, because they support terrorism 100%.

And America supports Saudi Arabia 100%, there's something for ya.

Originally posted by Athee
reply to post by ollncasino

 

I said the PEOPLE of the UAE, not the government. The government is partly Sharia yes, and therefore enforces laws like these, but that was never my point. Everyday people like you and me, that you meet on the street, do not think like that, far from it.

So lashing a Bangladeshi man 100 times for having sex with a Pilipino maid is alright then?

If the people in the UAE are so moderate, can you give me a link of the people condemning the punishment?

By the way, do you agree with the ruling by a UAE court that men are ALLOWED to beat their wives and young children (as long as they don't leave any marks)?

www.dailymail.co.uk...

Originally posted by ollncasino
Sadly, it is an aspect of Islam that the Koran and Hadiths require Islam to dominate not only religiously but also politically.

Violence, under Islamic doctrine (in terms of the Koran and hadiths), is a perfectly legitimate tactic to achieve that dominance.

The spread of Islam is associated with the spread of religious violence, as a matter of fact.

Islam is not just another religion.

If that were true then the many Billions of muslims would have already waged a full-blown war of violence on the west, wouldnt they?

Originally posted by Tib50
reply to post by Skyfloating

 

What these statistics ignore is the fact that all Muslims are encouraged to practice "taqiyya" deception, which includes every type of lying, tricks and deceit, even pretending to convert to another religion, in order to further the establishment of the Global Caliphate. It is the RELIGIOUS DUTY of EVERY MUSLIM to establish the Global Caliphate and crush all non-Muslims under the jackboot of Islam.

Please take time to read more about the actual beliefs of Muslims, and you will discover that there is no such thing as a "moderate Muslim"---only Muslims PRETENDING to be moderate in order to squeeze more money out of the infidel countries, until the Muslim numbers are sufficiently high to take over the country.

The Religion of Peace.com www.thereligionofpeace.com...

Jihad Watch www.jihadwatch.org...

Im familiar with extremist muslims. Check out my thread Adolf Hitler and the Muslim Brotherhood where I was questioned by "the other side". In this thread I am being questioned by the opposite side.

However, experience and stats and conversations demonstrate that there are Billions of muslims who mind their own Business. "The" muslims dont exist. They do not all have ONE agenda.

Originally posted by Skyfloating

If that were true then the many Billions of muslims would have already waged a full-blown war of violence on the west, wouldnt they?

Let's look at Muslim terorist plots in the US since 9/11.

Since 9/11, in the USA we have had Muslim Americans conspiring to destroy the Brooklyn bridge, a Somali Muslim living in Ohio plotting to blow up a local shopping mall, a cell of 7 Muslims plotting to blow up the New York stock exchange, A US Muslim and accomplice plotting to blow up the NY subway, two NY mosque leaders who plotted to blow up an Indian diplomat with a shoulder fired grenade launcher, a group of 4 Muslims who plotted to blow up National Guard facilities and synagogues in the LA area, 2 Muslims who conspired to blow up the Wyoming natural gas refinery & the Transcontinental Pipeline, a Muslim flying into Chicago plotting to use a dirty bomb in the USA, 2 Muslim men plotting to blow up the US Capitol and Word Bank Headquarters, 7 Muslims arrested for plotting to blow up the Sears tower in Chicago, 8 Muslims arrested for planning to blow up NY city train tunnels, a Muslim man who plotted to set off hand grenades in a shopping mall outside Chicago, 6 Muslims conspiring to attack Fort Dix, New Jersey, a Muslim who planned to set of a TAPT bomb in the NY subway, a Muslim who plotted to blow up a Dallas skyscraper, a Muslim who tried to set off a car bomb outside the courthouse in downtown Springfield, Illinois, 2 Muslims who plotted to murder civilians in US shopping malls, 4 Muslims plotting to blow up “aviation fuel tanks and pipelines at the John F. Kennedy International Airport” in New York City and 4 Muslims planning to shoot down planes with stinger missiles.

creepingsharia.wordpress.com...

reply to post by ollncasino


Your listing of terrorist acts does not prove anything not already shown in the stats in the OP. It is generally accepted and known that there's a lot of violence coming from certain parts of the world.

But looking beyond the distortions of liberals ("islam is a religion of peace") and right-wingers ("muslims are terrorists") , what do we find?

Originally posted by My.mind.is.mine
Oh, and if you check with the times (5th-7th centuries) I'm sure EVERY culture would punish various crimes by death... That's the way things worked..

That's just the way stuff went back then. You can find a lot of "kill he who ______" in the bible too..

I'm afraid that your argument doesn't wash.

How many Christian preachers can you point me to that are preaching hatred towards non Christians?

Yet, the number of Muslim Imams doing so is uncountable.

What are your thoughts on Muhammad ordering people burnt for not praying? Is such an act Islamic or not?

Could you give me your Muslim view on Allah giving Muhammad's men permission to rape captive women in front of their husbands? Have Muslims renounced that passage in the Koran?

Do you agree, as a Muslim, that Muhammad was justified in stoning an adulteress to death, or was Muhammad acting in an un-Islamic manner?

Originally posted by Skyfloating
reply to post by ollncasino

 

Your listing of terrorist acts does not prove anything not already shown in the stats in the OP. It is generally accepted and known that there's a lot of violence coming from certain parts of the world.

But looking beyond the distortions of liberals ("islam is a religion of peace") and right-wingers ("muslims are terrorists") , what do we find?

The most violent religion in the world?

reply to post by Skyfloating


But they HAVE waged violent war on non-Muslim countries, since the very beginning, with Mo's army's sweeping the Mediterranean, offering people this choice: either convert to Islam, pay "jizya" tribute money as slaves, or be beheaded. Mohammed personally beheaded over 600 people in a single day for refusing to convert to Islam. During the Ottoman Empire, for example, the Muslim conquerors forced Christian families in the Balkans to give up their strongest, brightest sons, to be kidnapped, forcibly circumcised, raped and enslaved as "janissaries" (Google "devshirme"). After the whole of Spain was conquered by Muslims, it was only the valiant efforts of a tiny band of Christians, hiding out in the far northern mountains, which kept hope alive for the millions of enslaved Christians and Jewish people of Spain. That tiny band of Christians gradually grew stronger, and began to sweep southwards in the "Reconquista", which took 800 years to finally drive satanic Islam out of Spain.

Why are all the rubbish collectors in Egypt Coptic Christians? Because Christians are treated like dogs, unworthy of any other profession. Even today all over the Muslim world, Muslim men are kidnapping Christian, Hindu, and Buddhist girls for rape, conveniently called "forced marriage" and forced conversion, and their families never see them again. The Jewish women they just mutilate and kill, as they did in India.

It's time people woke up to the true nature of Islam.

reply to post by Burgo


Not that i'm Muslim mate but please don't say "We" you don't speak for me, I know many Aussies who love the Balinese people, What "God" do you believe in???

Personally im on the side of the USA is the terrorists considering those assholes can bomb children, appologise and get away with it, yet if a muslim does it then its evil ... kill them ...blah blah bull# ... go kill Bashir yourself but im guessing ...... lol

Not that i'm Muslim mate but please don't say "We"

You have misinterpreted what has been written. "We" as in those who do not believe in "Extremist" Islam. I was not making a representation for anybody. Just using "We" to define a group who do believe in "Extremist Islam"

I know many Aussies who love the Balinese people

Who said anything about not liking the Balinese? People from Bali are Hindu anyway. Bashir caused great harm to the island of Bali and it must be a real worry for them as well to have people in Indonesia feel the way do about extremist Islam

What "God" do you believe in???

.

None of the Gods portrayed in any of the religions of the world so far.

Personally im on the side of the USA is the terrorists considering those assholes can bomb children, appologise and get away with it, yet if a muslim does it then its evil ... kill them ...blah blah bull# ...

before I even respond to this I have to ask. Who are you saying are the real terrorists? The USA or extremists musilims? It was hard to interpret what you were meaning

Originally posted by Tib50
Mohammed personally beheaded over 600 people in a single day for refusing to convert to Islam.

He was a bit of a lad, Muhammed.

Muhammad gave the order to behead the 800 male Jews of the Banu Qurayza and enslaved the surviving women and children. He kept at least one as his bed mate.

From the Koran:

Quote:

33:26 He also brought down their allies among the people of the scripture from their secure positions, and threw terror into their hearts. Some of them you killed, and some you took captive.

33:27 He made you inherit their land, their homes, their money, and lands you had never stepped on. God is in full control of all things.

The source is The authorized translation of the Koran.

www.submission.org...

A better explanation of what the Suras refer to, see

Quote:

33:26 Those People of the Scripture who allied with the clans (despite having a treaty with you), have been taken out from their forts and strongholds, and panic has struck their hearts. Some of them were killed in the battle and others were taken prisoners of war. (The Jewish tribe, Bani Quraizah had violated the treaty, although another Jewish tribe, Bani Nadir of Khyber had also been among the confederates).

www.quranexplained.co.uk...

A much more comprehensive explanation is that of Ibn Ishaq.

Ibn Ishaq was a devout Muslim historian and was the author of the first biography about Muhammad - Sirat Rasul Allah - "Life of God's Messenger" in 768 AD. He provided details about the episode mentioned in sura 33:26 & 33:27.

www.archive.org...

From page 84 & 85 of Ibn Ishaq's biography about Muhammad

Quote:

"The apostle of Allah imprisoned the Qurayza in Medina while trenches were dug in the market-place. Then he sent for the men and had their heads struck off so that they fell in the trenches. They were brought out in groups, and among them was Kab, the chief of the tribe. In number, they amounted to six or seven hundred, although some state it to have been eight or nine hundred. All were executed. One man turned to his people and said, 'It matters not! By God's will, the children of Israel were destined for this massacre!’ Then he seated himself and his head was struck off...

...Now the apostle distributed the property of the Banu Qurayza, as well as their women and children, to the Muslims, reserving one-fifth for himself. Every horseman received three shares, one for himself and two for his steed, and every foot soldier one share. There were thirty-six horses present on the day of the Qurayza. The apostle dispatched an emissary to Najd with the prisoners, to barter them as slaves in exchange for horses and camels. The apostle of Allah selected one of the Jewish women, Rayhana, for himself, and she remained with him as his slave until she died. He had suggested marriage to her, that she should wear the veil (to separate her from all other persons, as his wives did), but she replied, 'Rather allow me to remain thy slave; it will be more easy for me, and for thee.'"

To lead your life like Muhammad is to lead a perfect life, according to Muslims.

So beheading POWs and enslaving their women and children are acts to be emulated.

Keeping one women as a sex slave would also appear to be part of Muhammads 'perfect' life.

reply to post by Evanzsayz

As long as you denounce america terrorists groups, denounce bombings of cities and mass murders of the middle east people...you want to know the real terrorists, turn on your tv and watch there right under your nose. Maybe they wouldnt hate us and they wouldnt be extremeists that wanted to hurt the usa if you guys stopped killing their people

You fail to see the point that even if there was no conflict they would still hate anyone who does not believe in the extremist brand of Islam they believe in. So in other words there would hatred directed from them to the West anyway! They even dislike moderate Muslims and see them as an insult to the religion! have a look at what extremist Islam says to do with the infidels!

reply to post by MareBellator

Sonny, If the west weren't sticking it's nose where it didn't belong, terrorist organizations like Al-Qaeda wouldn't exist and this "hatred they started" wouldn't be there. Quit living in ignorance and denial.

Denial bahahahahah! Read my posts properly! Even if there was no conflict the extremist Islamics would hate moderate and non muslims anyway. Research and see what they think of Infidels!

Talk about ignorance! You are living in denial about your ignorance it would seem! Bahahahahahah seeing you tried t get personal I had to throw it right back you!