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Over population a problem??

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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 06:16 AM
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So if the elites think there is an over population problem.If so then why do we have a growth based economy.If they really think the world is over populated than why the growth based economy. If they really want to fix the overpopulation problem than redesign the system that is causing the problem the system they created.So fix it!

If an economy doesn't grow it begins to fail. Growth based economy's had there purpose at one point when there was lots of land to settle on and develop. But now things have changed there is less good land to develop on. A growth based economy is also very harmful to the environment. If we don't build we don't grow if we don't grow our economy collapses. The growth based economy has out lived it's usefulness.

So lets kill two birds with one stone get rid of the growth based economy solve two large problems overpopulation and the destruction of the environment.




posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 06:26 AM
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Also the growth based economy encourages planned obsolescence which is a real big problem on it's own.
I have an amplifier from 1970's that I still use today solid state circuitry lasts forever they used it on the moon lander. How many of today's modern amplifiers would i have gone through five or six?
edit on 28-6-2011 by enament because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 06:31 AM
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Your understanding of simple economics and the context of the word "growth" is quite laughable. Your viewpoint would make Stalin proud, comrade.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 06:36 AM
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Growth based economy.



Planed obsolescence.




posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 06:37 AM
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Care to elaborate your opinion?



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 06:53 AM
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Its not a problem , its a challenge. Its one we will meet headon and eventualy overcome. I think the "problem" is to many super rich people owning all the best land. In the end there will have to be a better ballance.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 07:24 AM
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Originally posted by enament
So if the elites think there is an over population problem.If so then why do we have a growth based economy.If they really think the world is over populated than why the growth based economy. If they really want to fix the overpopulation problem than redesign the system that is causing the problem the system they created.So fix it!


I have ideas to fix things...but they do rely on removing power over others in favor of autonomous control over Self. The elite probably don't want to lose Their control over Us - and will resist - but I believe the ideas will work.

Two threads I wrote, one I created the graphic for, and My novella:

The End of Entropy - the foundation - read first

www.abovetopsecret.com...

The Ethical Planetarian Party Platform - the structure

www.abovetopsecret.com...


Here's a simple schematic for drawing on the plenum ("dark"/Zero Point/Radiant/Orgone/...) energy:

www.abovetopsecret.com...


The Abundance Paradigm:

media.abovetopsecret.com...


If an economy doesn't grow it begins to fail. Growth based economy's had there purpose at one point when there was lots of land to settle on and develop. But now things have changed there is less good land to develop on. A growth based economy is also very harmful to the environment. If we don't build we don't grow if we don't grow our economy collapses. The growth based economy has out lived it's usefulness.

So lets kill two birds with one stone get rid of the growth based economy solve two large problems overpopulation and the destruction of the environment.


Oh, do take a look at My ideas! If the ideas reach the tipping point, they will flow into being. Send the links to others - don't have to agree that the ideas will work, just ask others to contemplate the ideas and pass them on for others to contemplate.

We CAN change this planet for the better.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 07:26 AM
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Originally posted by enament
Also the growth based economy encourages planned obsolescence which is a real big problem on it's own.
I have an amplifier from 1970's that I still use today solid state circuitry lasts forever they used it on the moon lander. How many of today's modern amplifiers would i have gone through five or six?


Imagine the reduction in waste if planned obsolescence were eliminated! Imagine if there was no need for money and theft-protection packaging was unneeded, all that waste would be avoided, too.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 07:29 AM
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Originally posted by PhoenixOD
Its not a problem , its a challenge. Its one we will meet headon and eventualy overcome. I think the "problem" is to many super rich people owning all the best land. In the end there will have to be a better ballance.


I link in My post above to My ideas on how We might raise everyOne's standard of living to the level of today's elite. The first step in implementing the ideas is to spread them. [smile]
edit on 6/28/2011 by Amaterasu because: clarification



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 07:30 AM
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Not to mention the over packaging to prevent theft is extremely wasteful.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 07:57 AM
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Its funny they created the problem and now they want to solve it by depopulating us.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 08:10 AM
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Explanation: S&F!

I completely agree and here is why NOTHING will work to change anything very much at all


Monohop society [creasynth.nl]


monohops, The myth of the

'vertical thinking is for using ideas - lateral thinking for changing them'
Edward de Bono

In more than one respect The Brodingnagian way of thinking resembles that of the monohops as described by Edward de Bono.
...- Monohop society was intensely logical. Early in the development of this culture, the sociologists had come to the conclusion that most of society's troubles arose directly from man's ability to attack his fellows and from his ability to run away. The former encouraged aggression, the latter crime. It was agreed that if man's mobility could be reduced at an early enough age society would benefit. Therefore soon after birth the left leg was amputated from each monohop child.

With its usual rapid adaptation, society soon organized itself into a monohop world. Bicycles had but one pedal, right shoes were the only shoes ever made, all staircase were abolished and replaced by lifts and escalators. In short so completely did society become monohop that no one noticed any inconvenience.

Whenever someone suggested that a two-legged society might be preferable, he was not met by hostility but by puzzlement. Why, they asked, should we change?
Everything is running smoothly. Wouldn't we have to go to great expense to make and buy left shoes? Wouldn't our bicycles become useless? And what about unemployment among surgeons and lift-makers? What about aggression and crime - we know there would be a great increase? Besides, can you prove that change would better, have you collected statistical evidence to show that two-legged monohops would be better than the usual variety?
But, said the revolutionary, is it not obvious that a man with two legs can do all that a man with one leg can do - and more as well? That may well be, they said, but monohops are clearly the best suited to this monohop world. We are concerned only with getting our people to hop as excellently as possible (we have exams, you know), not with how much better life would be if we had two legs instead of one. ...-

The monohops only use the logical left brain-half. They refuse to consider the use of both halves because one leg has proved to be the solution to what they regarded as a major problem and once a solution becomes the goal we tend to lose sight of opportunities.

Real problems can never be solved at the level they arose. (C.Jung)


In our planets particular case its an addiction to oil for food through fertilizers , oil for through explosives , oil for to many other things to list ... through petrochemical companies.

Ultimately we pay for the oil with BLOOD in some form and or fashion!


I too have solutions.

Its called compressed air which can lead to exactly the same things I mentioned above such as fertilizer for food [possibly even food itself .. i working on that
] , explosives for whatever
and many other things far too numerous to mention.

The difference is that we can mine the air without to much hassle [windmills] whereas mining oil is far more complicated and dirty and messy etc.


But thats really only required IF we want to stay landlocked to this planets shores alone and play these silly FAKE MONEY games.

There are even old circa late 1950's designs for MASSIVE REUSABLE spaceships [project orion nuclear detonation propulsion... fro 4000 tons to 8million tons of spacecraft] and I have also posted about them on ATS. [use search]

So the ideas to SAVE US ALL are OLD..so what..THEY WILL WORK!

But yeah... people going to complain and say " They took our jobs!
" and .... "wtfh do we do now?
" victim mentality!


Personal Disclosure: Note all the compressed air things can be done locally in your own backyrad btw! Think about it for a bit ok!



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 08:35 AM
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We currently live in a world that feeds its childern with its grandchildren. An nonsustaining economy with a life span dictated by the availability of dwindling resources.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 08:36 AM
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I skimmed through some of you're post links I will check them out in detail later tonight seems interesting.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 09:43 AM
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Good example of a growth economy creating waste destroying our environment.




posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 10:05 AM
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Prosperity Without Growth: Tim Jackson PART ONE




posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 10:06 AM
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The beauty is that earth being a living organism has the capabilities to cleanse itself like it has done before.

"Hey dont take it personally guys". - Earth



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 10:11 AM
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Its funny how all city's depend on a growing population to thrive. And our growth is destroying us with our environment destroying waste.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 10:16 AM
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Yea over thousands of years after we destroy it. Or even a million depends on how bad we destroy it.Fukushima may last a long long time.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 10:16 AM
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Yea over thousands of years after we destroy it. Or even a million depends on how bad we destroy it.Fukushima may last a long long time.




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