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Flogging someone with a cane causes intense pain and permanent bodily damage. An Australian who was flogged for drug trafficking in Malaysia in the 1970s recalled that the cane "chewed hungrily through layers of" his "skin and soft tissue" and "left furrows" on him that were "bloody pulp."
It's tough stuff and generally considered a barbaric punishment that the 21st century Western world would and should never consider. That makes it a bit startling that there is a new book out by a serious U.S. academic arguing that the U.S. should start flogging criminals. Peter Moskos' In Defense of Flogging might seem like a satire — akin to Jonathan Swift's "A Modest Proposal," an essay advocating the eating of children — but it is as serious as a wooden stick lashing into a blood-splattered back.
(See pictures of the world's most humane prison.)
Despite what you may think, Moskos is not pushing flogging as part of a "get tougher on criminals" campaign. In fact Moskos, who teaches at John Jay College of Criminal Justice, begins not by arguing that the justice system is too soft on criminals, but the opposite. So before you accuse him of advocating a cruel and unusual form of punishment, he offers this reminder; in the U.S., there are 2.3 million inmates incarcerated in barbaric conditions. American prisons are bleak and violent, and sexual assault is rampant.
And, Moskos points out, imprisonment is not just cruel — it is ineffective. The original idea for the penitentiary was that criminals would become penitent and turn away from their lives of crime. Today, prisons are criminogenic — they help train inmates on how to commit crime on release.
Flogging, Moskos argues, is an appealing alternative. Why not give convicts a choice, he says: let them substitute flogging for imprisonment under a formula of two lashes for every year of their sentence.
Originally posted by kyred
reply to post by Lysergic
I would wonder about the mental state of a person who would want to flog somebody. My opinion, NO.
Originally posted by Lysergic
So instead of being locked up give them a spanking?
Originally posted by guessing
reply to post by Suspiria
but your not flogging criminals for punishment.
well, not for real , outside of role playing... right?
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Suspiria
Now, I'm not sure exactly what kind of canings you have endured. But the sort of canes that are made for, er, entertainment purposes? They're actually made limber enough to not cause lasting damage. Same with the riding crop you use on a horse (though those are more stiff, since the horse has hair and thick skin)
Someone beats you with a bamboo or rattan switch or cane, you're going to bleed. They don't need to alter the stick at all; human skin is pretty darned delicate.
Originally posted by Exuberant1
reply to post by Suspiria
Please just stop already.
You are arguing against that which history has provided us ample evidence for; that caning and flogging can cause severe and crippling injury.
Originally posted by Suspiria
I'm just arguing...
Originally posted by Exuberant1
Originally posted by Suspiria
I'm just arguing...
Those three words are quite accurate.
You are just arguing.
Originally posted by TheWalkingFox
reply to post by Suspiria
See the redness caused when you whack someone's ass with your stick? That's damage. Broken blood vessels. Keep whacking, and you cause blistering. Keep whacking, and the blister peels away, exposing the flesh underneath. Most of the blood vessels have been crushed, so not an awful lot of bleeding (as opposed to whipping, which simply rips skin away) but still, raw and bloody enough. A slender enough rod can simply cause the skin to split from the force of the blow - it effectively acts like a knife
if you've never seen these results, then I assure you, it's because you're just not putting the effort into it. Hell, one good hit with a bamboo pole (or any stick, really) is usually pretty able to tear skin.
Michael Fay - remember him, got arrested in Singapore for car vandalism back in the 90's? he was sentenced to six lashes of a rattan cane. These are 1.2 meters long and 13mm thick. Not too different from a hardwood dowel, except rattan is a lot less brittle.
His sentence was reduced to four lashes.
This is what his ass looked like afterwards
So... yeah. Criminal flogging can mess your day up.edit on 27/6/2011 by TheWalkingFox because: (no reason given)