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Originally posted by Sauron
reply to post by anonshanks
Sorry but you had appeared off line for the last ten minutes, I have edited you post.
Sauron
Super-Moderator
Originally posted by Seiko
reply to post by anonshanks
Thank you for your reply. I apologize for the brief post before but I feared this thread would get 404'd.
Some on this site have accused anon, lulz, and others of being a false flag to actually help usher in the era of a controlled internet. Do you think the actions of anon might help to bring this to fruition faster then if you'd do no action at all?
now as to the anon motto, doing it for the lolz, whilst fun might actually keep some from taking your side. Humour is whimsical at best. There's no way to predict when something may strike someone funny and they do something that can't be praised.
This country, the u.s. we'll say for now has a fascination with the honourable criminal types, jesse james, bonnie and clyde or so. There's a far chance that if anon stood strong for free speech and rights that they could garner great sympathy towards the cause.
My problem is the perceived notion of the lolz. While I'm not really a buzzkill, I find it makes it hard to predict reasonably where anon might fall on certain issues.
The world is changing. People are waking up to the realization that they have been lied too and suppressed in the name of wealth and power for a few. Who's side are you on? I myself, stand on the side of humanity and the need that we all have deep down inside to live free.
Originally posted by thoughtsfull
reply to post by anonshanks
It seems to me to get to those historical tipping points where real change comes, you need the will of the people on your side, and not just the will, you need their willingness to act as well.
So if I have a question, it would be to ask (not the specifics)
Does the collective have a plan to get the will of the people on their side?
As without it, I don't see what hope scope there is for you to make a positive difference.
Originally posted by anonshanks
irc.anonnet.org port 6667, ssl port 6697.
Originally posted by prof7
Originally posted by anonshanks
irc.anonnet.org port 6667, ssl port 6697.
Are you still actively banning all people who choose to connect to this server through anonymizers? If so why?
And why don't you operate the entire server anonymously behind an .onion or .i2p address and instead make the server and its operator vulnerable to law enforcement by exposing its location?
Originally posted by celticpride
reply to post by anonshanks
I'm glad to hear that your organisation doesn't steal any personal information. I'm not bothered about whether its profit-based or not - those details are none of my business.
I am more than aware that TPTB want to keep their power and/or money by controlling the masses. And that information can be used through wisdom to educate others. I was one of the first people to argue that the internet as a tool to educate is a good thing. Now, I understand that the internet is much more than an educational tool...it allows for social interaction and business opportunities which I see as positive, also propaganda and statistical manipulations which I see as negative.
You call me out to ask 'Who's side am I on?'...well, I'm looking around and I don't see anyone on my side, not TPTB or people who pertain to be my 'friends'. As for 'humanity', apart from the dictionary definition, I don't know what this means. And 'living free' is extremely subjective - I know I can't 'live free'...I've got noone to help me out. So, who's side are you really on? What exactly are you trying to achieve? 'Freedom' of speech is all I've got at the moment
Originally posted by anonshanks
We do not "ban" members that connect through all anonymity software, but we do not allow certain software to be used to connect to the servers.. the most well known being tor. The reason tor as well as some other proxies are unusable is due to the abuse of these programs in the past by a large amount of people.
Originally posted by prof7
Originally posted by anonshanks
We do not "ban" members that connect through all anonymity software, but we do not allow certain software to be used to connect to the servers.. the most well known being tor. The reason tor as well as some other proxies are unusable is due to the abuse of these programs in the past by a large amount of people.
Sorry, I cannot take you serious. You are calling your organization "anonymous" and at the same time instead of encouraging users to execute their right of anonymity you are calling this "abuse" and ban it alltogether. Instead of promoting end encouraging the usage of the tools that are meant to give the people the anonymity you are doing the exact opposite and demand from naive users to leave their IP addresses on a server that will be seized by the FBI every two weeks or maybe even already owned by them.
the name of your "organiztion" is an outright lie. Why don't you call yourself the "pseudonymous" or better yet the "we-have-nothing-to-hide" or "the registered and law abiding"?
You are not "anonymous", not even close, you are a psy-op!
.edit on 27-6-2011 by prof7 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by celticpride
reply to post by anonshanks
Some people don't deserve to 'live free'. Rules are needed to hold those in check. Humans aren't responsible or rational. I could philosophise all day about 'paths'. Thanks for thinking that you're fighting for my rights....it just doesn't equate to much in my everyday life. I'll leave you get on with the other ATSers. TC
Originally posted by celticpride
reply to post by anonshanks
I asked you to leave me alone in my last post, but I guess you aren't too good at taking hints. Don't put words into my mouth, don't pretend to know what I'm thinking, don't speak for me, never try to tell me what paths I WILL take, or not. I'm pretty much sick of that type of abuse. You won't brainwash me...people I used to have some respect for have tried...and failed, miserably. Your actions are proving to me that you don't have my best interests at heart...and that you are quite naive. I bid you good day