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hell, creationism is not even debunked by science.
something set the universe in motion, something set life in motion or is it the same thing?
i'm sorry some don't believe in the FSM, or god or whomever/whatever.
something is there and atheists can't disprove/prove anything.
Originally posted by CaDreamer
If you flip a coin, it doesn't give you a random out come, it is determined.
When you roll a dice, it doesn't give you a random result, it is determined.
When you spin the wheel of fortune, it doesn't give you a random result, it is determined.
if you flip a coin the outcome is random it is not predetermined there is no way to determine beforehand weather it will be heads or tails.
when you roll a die (singular of dice) the result can not be determined beforehand weather it will be any of the 6 numbers on the die ( assuming a six sided die)
wheel of fortune ..again you apparently do not understand the concept of random at all. unless the game is rigged there is no possible way to determine the exact outcome of a spin, your examples are not very well chosen nor is your argument.
Originally posted by confreakThis proves that the Universe was determined to be what it is, rather than the product of random. If the Universe is restarted a million times the results will be exactly the same, unless a conscious being/creator/GOD changes the variables.
A paradox first enunciated by Einstein et al. (1935), who proposed a thought experiment that appeared to demonstrate quantum mechanics to be an incomplete theory. The usual view of quantum mechanics says that a wave function determines the probabilities of an actual experimental result and that it is the most complete possible specification of the quantum state. Einstein et al. believed the predictions of quantum mechanics to be correct, but only as the result of statistical distributions of other unknown but real properties of the particles...
...Bell (1964) subsequently formulated Bell's inequalities, which seemed to be a physically reasonable condition of locality which imposed restrictions on the maximum correlations of the measurements of a pair of spin 1/2 particles formed somehow in the singlet state and moving freely in opposite directions. This inequality can be tested in a laboratory experiment because the statistical predictions of quantum mechanics are incompatible with any local hidden variables theory apparently satisfying only the natural assumptions of "locality," as shown by the predictions of Bell's inequalities.
Originally posted by RoguePhilosopher
Atheism is the only future if mankind wants to live peacefully and survive!
Originally posted by Sunsetspawn
Which brings me to the scientific reality of the situation. At the microscopic level the very idea of determinism breaks down. Hidden variables have been searched for with no success.
Originally posted by Tetrarch42
the Bible it is the source of the Judaism, Christianity and Islam