What happened to Disclosure and Steven Greer?

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posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 10:00 AM
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You're missing the essential point here..

Greer starts out and it's all very interesting. However, doesn't really have that much new to add to his original information so the invites on to the radio and TV start to dry up. At this point human nature takes over and he start s making up any old bollox, each bit slightly more sensational than the last, cos he loves the lifestyle. It isn't free means.... * I don't do 2 star flop houses these days, its 4 star or above for me from now on and have a car waiting at the airport i don't pay for taxis"

I myself, have turned down several media opportunities and usually, right at the last minute. The reason why is simple. I was promised one thing to get me on board to begin with, 48 hours before the show is due to be aired I am given a list of stuff they knew damn well I would never have countenanced had they been mentioned in the original contact. Things such as , a list of subjects and incidents I am NOT allowed to mention because a certain high profile sceptic has that written into their contract.

Greer has his feet under the table, his nose in the trough and he ain't letting go any quicker than anyone else.
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posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 10:08 AM
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Originally posted by Arbitrageur
He doesn't even claim that delivers over unity, he calls it an "experimenter's kit".


Because that's what it is. A kit for experimenters. It's not a complete ready-to-go system for powering your house, although it could be modded to do that.

Anyway, I don't care what they call it. Does it work, or not? That's all I care about here.

As far as I know, none of us here have tested this thing, so we really don't know if it works or not.




This guy may know some physics but apparently not much electrical engineering, he doesn't seem to know how to measure. It's a measurement error. He's apparently using power formulas which assume sinusoidal waveforms and his waveforms are not sinusoidal. This is a very common error by people who have no idea what they are doing, which is a lot in the over-unity field.


Totally standard debunking tactic - accuse them of measuring it wrong. Been done thousands of times in thousands of different threads. No matter what evidence is shown or who is doing the measuring - they must just be measuring it wrong! Right?




You keep posting this trash, why don't you actually buy it and power your home with it? Because it doesn't work, that's why.


Steven Jones' circuit? That's not a system for powering a house, it's just a cheap little proof-of-principle experiment.

Which you will no doubt refuse to even try, even though you seem to be one of the most qualified members to do so.......



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 01:17 PM
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The initial thought of thread was what about diclosure but it's turned into knock Steven Greer thread. As I have posted here before(which are never even commented on) There is something very strange happening in our skies. If you believe in ET's then anything is possible. But just stop and take a breath for a moment and think what are people seeing in the skies. Very very large crafts ( do not even come with the official line that they are overly large airships) these are structured craft that exhibit no discernable noise, can hover, travel at low speeds and in an instant excelerate to fantastic speeds. Now this is about the disclosure bit. If it's not ET then it has to be us. No one can prove anything because those that know are not going to tell you but that does not stop anyone from speculating. Given the above parameters then we have the technology now to hover large and heavy craft. Is this antigravity? To power these craft must take vast amounts of power which I seriously doubt is nuclear. So what is this stand alone power source? What is the propulsion system that can power a craft from standstill to untold of speeds in seconds? That's what ATS stands for. Above top secret! think on those questions not slag a man off.



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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Originally posted by crayzeed
The initial thought of thread was what about diclosure but it's turned into knock Steven Greer thread.


Actually the question of the OP WAS about Steven Greer and the Disclosure Project


But just stop and take a breath for a moment and think what are people seeing in the skies. Very very large crafts ( do not even come with the official line that they are overly large airships) these are structured craft that exhibit no discernable noise, can hover, travel at low speeds and in an instant excelerate to fantastic speeds.


How do you know they are structured crafts? Have you seen one? Been inside one? What if they are actually CRITTERS... Plasma life forms that are native to Earth and near space? They feed on energy... and are made of energy so can do all those fantastic maneuvers at ease. Won't find any hard evidence because they are energy so leave no trace. Can't take a clear photo because they are simply made of energy so nothing to focus on.

My calculations lead me to believe that 80%ish are such critters, especially the ones seen aimlessly flitting about the skies. 15%ish are our black ops and 5%ish are the true visitors.

There is disclosure for you



Is this antigravity?


No antigravity is wrong thinking. Anti gravity would be an equal and opposite force and they would cancel each other out, most likely violently like matter/anti matter. Besides since there is very little gravity in space, you wouldn't get very far once you were in orbit.

What you need to do is manipulate gravity... to fold space you need MORE gravity not less. You need to make a local gravity well that can warp space.


To power these craft must take vast amounts of power which I seriously doubt is nuclear. So what is this stand alone power source? What is the propulsion system that can power a craft from standstill to untold of speeds in seconds?


You could use HE3 fusion to create the energy needed to power the gravity coils. Its safe and we are close to having it

The Levitated Dipole Fusion Confinement Concept






That's what ATS stands for. Above top secret! think on those questions not slag a man off.


Sorry but Greer sank his own ship years ago. If you want to spend a thousand to go alien hunting at his camp and get pictures of glowing moths that is okay with me... but it has nothing to do with disclosure



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 01:56 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Sorry but Greer sank his own ship years ago. If you want to spend a thousand to go alien hunting at his camp and get pictures of glowing moths that is okay with me... but it has nothing to do with disclosure


But Greer isn't the only player in the "Disclosure" game, not by a long shot. There are lots of other people out there working to disclose things. So why limit the scope of the discussion to yet another Greer hatefest when there's so much other news to talk about?

Like these free energy experiments... but if we go and prove free energy, then that would mean Greer was right, and we can't have that!!



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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Originally posted by cupocoffee
But Greer isn't the only player in the "Disclosure" game, not by a long shot. There are lots of other people out there working to disclose things. So why limit the scope of the discussion to yet another Greer hatefest when there's so much other news to talk about?


Because this thread is about Greer
so to be on topic.... one speaks to the OP question



Like these free energy experiments... but if we go and prove free energy, then that would mean Greer was right, and we can't have that!!


Well I can prove free energy... I put in a wood stove I got from John Lear's mine. Now I use very little gas in the winter.

But we can talk about what you THINK free energy means and there are many threads about it on ATS... but no one has yet proven free energy mainly because no one even can tell me what exactly that means.

Electricity is free energy. It comes from nature... we simply let gravity turn a magnet in a bunch of copper wires and voila FREE ENERGY... put in a windmill in your yard or solar panels and once you cover the initial cost and upkeep, you will have free energy and can even sell the extra to the power company

But what you pay for is the convenience of getting it to your house... and what you pay for is someone to make appliance that you can use this energy on. And none of those people work for free.

When you can define exactly what you mean by 'free energy' then we can talk. Just because Greer uses the term doesn't change anything... because he just picked it up like everyone else did and turns a profit talking about it... yet produces nothing
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posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon
Because this thread is about Greer
so to be on topic.... one speaks to the OP question


And a good part of the witness testimony from Greer's Disclosure Project pertains to "free energy", and the related technologies, so free energy is in fact on topic in any Greer thread.

The OP wants to know what's happening with "Disclosure", well the truth is, there are all sorts of technologies that are being disclosed right now, or are very close to disclosure, and they will change everything. And that's a good thing.




When you can define exactly what you mean by 'free energy' then we can talk. Just because Greer uses the term doesn't change anything... because he just picked it up like everyone else did and turns a profit talking about it... yet produces nothing


Energy that comes into a system from the environment or some external source. More specifically, the energy in the fabric of space-time or "energy from the vacuum".

And yes, it's not really "free", you still have to spend money on R&D, hardware, engineers etc to make use of it, so "free energy" is not the best term for it.



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 02:51 PM
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By free energy is generally meant Overunity.




posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 02:59 PM
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Actually, same problem with that as with the term "free energy".

Technically, a windmill counts as "overunity", since you eventually get more energy back from it than it takes to make it and install it.

"energy from the vacuum" is the best term to use - referring specifically to the energy in the fabric of space.



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 03:19 PM
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No! you are completely off mark. I am not talking about "lights in the sky" or any of the amorphous sightings. There have been thousands of credible witnesses of huge triangular and circular structured craft that are solid things. As so many on ATS you ask for proof and confirmation! If I or anyone had the proof it wouldn't be a secret. These are only my conjectures, my theories and these craft are sure not living entities. The questions were put to try and illicit some possitive feedback not to reject them for your own explaination. The questions still stand. America (probably the millitary complex) has advanced power and propulsion technology that could greatly allieviate the worlds energy and transport problems but through their avarice and obedience to secrecy do not want to release them. If anyone but them try to patent any of these systems I'll guarantee you that they will come out and say sorry we patented that in so and so year.



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 03:33 PM
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The wind is the energy you put in a windmill, it's a very inefficient way to produce electricity.
The Hydrosonic Pump is a good example.

Google Video Link



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 03:36 PM
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Once upon a time it was a fairy tale that men would fly. We do that today.
Once upon a time it was a fairy tale that that you can cook without heat. We do that today.
Once upon a time it was a fairy tale that you could talk to someone on the other side of the world. We do that today.
There is no advancement without imagination. Fairy tales become reality.



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 03:50 PM
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Originally posted by Outrageo
What Happened? I'll tell you what happened: He started drinking his own Kool-aid.

The Press Club in DC catalyst got people excited that here we finally had a serious, educated, articulate, believable, "Dr." that would finally add credibility, leadership, intensity, and main-stream exposure to a subject that desperately needed it. WE needed it! ATS and the dozens of similar forums and venues worldwide were elated. FINALLY - someone comes on the scene that can speak for US, can give a voice to the dilemma and enigma we have been battling, seemingly alone and isolated.

What a disappointment.

Instead, our cause was betrayed. A charlatan replaced our messiah. Instead of a serious inquiry between experts and the government, broadcast to the masses so the truth can be revealed - what did we get? A buffoon who abandoned us, who started talking about his own childhood levitation experiences, "Gay" planets, spaceship rides, and similar silly, ludicrous assertions (try and find a vid of the Greer speech at the L.A. Conscious Life Expo in early 2007, I believe. I posted it on ATS a few times, but Greer Company has YouBoob and other video sites keep taking it back down - you'll appreciate why if you can find a copy).

So then, he made matters worse by turning his once serious, professional discourse and inquiry into a fool's circus, duping as many suckers as he can find into paying him exorbitant "fees" to hold hands in various desert and mountain 'special-secret-spots' while they hummed and sang and took pictures of insects and meditated to the star-people. Oh brother...

Hey Greer: You say you and your love-fest payees meet aliens and see giant ships up-close at your 'ET Ambassador' shin-digs? Great! That's awesome! Wouldn't happen to have a picture would 'ya? Oh -that's right, we need to PAY $1,800 for that privilege. Ok, then how about any ONE of your devotees that have paid the fee. Can we see one of THEIR pictures? No? Why not? Let me guess...

What happened, you ask? Nothing happened. We were duped. Set-up. Made out to be fools. You think some of us feel bad? How do you think all those experts/pilots/military brass he lined up in D.C. feel? Greer probably did more to shutter them up forever than all of the giggling news anchors of the world combined. Thanks for that, Stevie, by the way. Idiot.

As time goes on, I am beginning to suspect that Greer was/is a government disinfo agent, a turncoat, was threatened, or is just plain insane. Pick your poison. Either way - the big losers are you and me. Greer single-handily set the "truth" movement back a dozen years. Every time he opens his mouth now I just want to
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Well what about all those people that he interviewed? what about all the folks from the NPC presentation? What do we do with the information that they provided? Are you saying that the movement just needs a new spokesperson? The information is still out there. The video of the NPC presentation is available on line and is also run occasionally by the history channel or discovery channel. Why does the movement even need Greer ?



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 03:57 PM
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Yeah. When someone like James Fox gets a bunch of witnesses and whistleblowers together for a movie or a press conference, it's good. But when Greer does it, it's bad. Oh well....



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 04:40 PM
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Originally posted by cupocoffee
Yeah. When someone like James Fox gets a bunch of witnesses and whistleblowers together for a movie or a press conference, it's good. But when Greer does it, it's bad. Oh well....


Well lately I haven't seen one whistle blower that has provided the good. Lots of stories to be sure but since Roswell over 50 years ago... not one insider has yet produced any hard core evidence.. ever

Dr Lier claims to have a piece of a saucer but won't let any one else examine it. Most of those whistle blowers on the UFO circuit will pick up any old story and run with it... so they can keep their audience... no matter whether its true or not, just what is popular in the circuit.

A true whistle blower would know about his job and only his job. And once they tell their story that is it. A fickle audience demands more so they find stuff to add, sometimes make it up. In the end they destroy their own credibility and we are left with nothing.

The old timers are now dying off so very soon all we will have left is rumors. And since they caught UFO disease (the need to keep it going) most will be remembered for the fakes they supported, not their original story

You are obviously a Greer supporter. Can you point to one piece of true disclosure that can be verified that came from him or any of his people?



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 04:48 PM
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Originally posted by Regenstorm
By free energy is generally meant Overunity.


Agreed just like 'disclosure' to most people means aliens


But I have the answer to free energy
Just as Tesla figured out and Moray figured out. I just don't know how to implement it yet.

All our electricity that we generate... flows through the system. We use it but few know what it really is. Once upon a time lightning was thought to strike TO the ground... then they thought it went UP from the ground... now we know that a feeler is sent to ground and the real bolt travels up along that path.

Our houses, all our appliances are fed by power lines that carry one side of the charge. The other side is GROUND. Your house is literally plugged into the Earth

So simply run it the other way around... take it out of the Earth. I mean when those magnets turn from the water spinning them from gravity... just exactly where are all those free electrons coming from?



free Energy it's all around you just need to tap it

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posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 04:57 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

You are obviously a Greer supporter. Can you point to one piece of true disclosure that can be verified that came from him or any of his people?


Well why do you think I keep suggesting that we try some of these "energy from the vacuum" experiments?

If one of the experiments turns out positive, that would verify that Bearden, Bedini, Loder, Eugene Mallove and all them were telling the truth.

If the reality of ET life gets disclosed tomorrow, will anything really change? Everybody will still have to go back to work the next day. Everybody will still be struggling with insane debt, insane governments, insane wars, insane pollution....

It's the technologies that will change everything. The technologies are the true lynchpin. And the technologies are where we could make a big difference.



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 05:01 PM
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Originally posted by cupocoffee
Which you will no doubt refuse to even try, even though you seem to be one of the most qualified members to do so.......


Actually I have a whole team working on it and some are real scientists. Even Dr Hal Puthoff stopped by a few times. But so far we are getting further on propulsion drives than 'free energy'


But the thing is disclosure is not about free energy. It is about alien existence and whether or not they are visiting. Free energy does not require disclosure because everything available on it is freely accessible and as you said yourself anyone can do the experiments. And you can bet your last dime that the first inventor who gets a working model is not going to disclose anything until he has the patent (and rights) secured.

Greer's main income is selling Alien Moth hunting trips



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 05:01 PM
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I asked this my self a few weeks ago here:-

www.abovetopsecret.com...



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 05:10 PM
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I was thinking, is it possible to recreate the earth's electromagnetic field on a smaller scale?
Will it be rejected by the earth like magnets when you put the equivalent poles together?
Here's an interesting link about the Nazi UFO technology:
www.zamandayolculuk.com...
(Turkisch/German/English, lots of pics and schematics)
I read your post about how you classify the genuine sightings, I agree on that but I think of those black projects, most of them are German. I think the triangles are US/Russian made.





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