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Obama’s DoD nominee caught in 1-world scheme to cede oceans to U.N.-based international law

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posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 12:13 AM
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Originally posted by mishigas

Sorry, do your own research. Others here have; you're not helpless. Or maybe you are, I don't care either way.

It took me about 10 seconds to get the fact sheet and the initiative. Then the brilliant guy first says "I googled some stuff. but I didn't really know what I was looking for".

I go off to get him links, pro and con, and I come back to find he has insulted me for not being quick enough to please him.


If you don't care, why'd ya start a thread on it? And if you got hold of a fact sheet in 10 seconds, why are you holding back? You really don't care, do ya? Plus you're passive-aggressive to boot! Well, I'll just mosey on along to another thread where the OP really cares about the topic enough to leave his/her ego at the door. Peace & Love to you. (I mean that.)




posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 12:25 AM
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Can anyone here explain to me where in this document the United States would be ceding our water boundary?

Also, International Waters are 12 miles off the coast, not 200. Two hundread miles allows an exclusive economic zone, for fishing or drilling or whatever. One hundred and eighty eight of those miles are considered international waters.

Finally, the United States lays no claim to the worlds oceans, it can't...because they belong to the world. Unless you can point to the exact paragraph in the above document that shows the UN taking control of our 12 mile stretch of sea, I call hyperbolic BS on this thread.



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 02:23 AM
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Originally posted by Senteri

No you are not wrong. There is no such thing as a US ocean. Not anywhere on the planet.



President George Bush Jr. declared the Marianas Trench a "National Marine Park", and banned any country from going below the water line in that part of the Pacific Ocean.

Usually only CONGRESS can declare parts of the world as US Territory. How did a President do it?

Used his GUNZ to declare that part of the Pacific Ocean....a US Ocean.



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 02:46 AM
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I dunno. I am still kinda of busy laughing over the idea of "US oceans." Come on mishiga, tell me which ones those are and I will believe everything else you say.


Just keep looking on the map for "US oceans" since you obviously cannot grasp the idea that the term is not to be taken as a literal name for a body of water. When you realize that, put away the maps and interpret the term in the vernacular.

"US oceans", where are they? Omigod.
:shk:



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 02:55 AM
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Can anyone here explain to me where in this document the United States would be ceding our water boundary?


It doesn't. It is not the document; it is a preamble.



Finally, the United States lays no claim to the worlds oceans, it can't...because they belong to the world. Unless you can point to the exact paragraph in the above document that shows the UN taking control of our 12 mile stretch of sea, I call hyperbolic BS on this thread.


OK. Whatever you said.



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 03:12 AM
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Since the OP wants to be a petulant little tool, here's a link to the initiative in question;

Joint Ocean Comission Initiative

From this, the OP article basically plays Seven Degrees of George Soros.

Interestingly, none of the claims from the article or from its poster are actually true. Go figure, huh? The Joint Ocean Comission was a bipartisan initiative kicked up by the Bush Administration to look at environmental and defense concerns of US shorelines. It makes recommendations based on this scope. It has nothing to do with other nations, much less ceding Us territorial waters to them, or to the UN. Panetta is also not involved in any of the organizations that Mishigas is going on about; at least, not directly, I'm sure he knows a guy who knows a guy.
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posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 03:14 AM
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Panetta worked with the Citizens for Global Solutions (sounds ominously socialistic, doesn't it?
) to create the Law of the Sea initiative, so that would be a good place to start.

The official UN name is The UN Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS). There is an interesting link to a fact sheet there. Here's the intro:


Fact Sheet
The United States and the Law of the Sea
Introduction

The U.N. Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS) is a set of rules for the use of the world’s oceans,
which cover 70 percent of the Earth’s surface. The Convention was concluded in 1982 to replace a group of
treaties adopted in 1958 that were out of date and unfavorable to America’s economy and security.
UNCLOS came into force in 1994, and to date, 158 countries and the European Commission have joined the
treaty. As of yet, the United States has not. The Law of the Sea has been described as the most
comprehensive and progressive protection for the oceans of any modern international accord. It essentially
protects the economic, environmental, and national security concerns of coastal states, as well as
establishes international cooperative mechanisms for resolving disputes on these issues. The convention
also safeguards imperiled marine habitats by strengthening state sovereignty over the enforcement of
resource management and environmental regulations in each state’s Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) up to
200 miles offshore. UNCLOS benefits American business, the American military, and the environment of the
world. We are hopeful that the U.S. will soon ratify the treaty and become a productive member of the Law
of the Sea Convention.


As I said, the more I dug into this, the more I got the impression that the US would be ceding control of the use of the oceans to some international tribunes. No thank you.

An aside: To the member who expressed concern about a lifetime pol being named SECDEF, I agree. But I do give Panetta props for giving the order to go in after bin Laden, since Obama was busy hiding behind Valerie Jarretts' skirt, afraid to give the order.

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posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 03:20 AM
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Since the OP wants to be a petulant little tool, here's a link to the initiative in question;

Joint Ocean Comission Initiative

From this, the OP article basically plays Seven Degrees of George Soros


Thanks for the ( mostly useless) link. Not my fault this place is like the occupants in Cuckoo's Nest sometimes!
Present company excluded, of course.
/sarc

ETA: As for Soros' connection, it's a litle closer than the 7 degrees of separation that you imply.


As WND reported, billionaire George Soros is a primary funder and key proponent of the Global Centre for Responsibility to Protect, the main organization pushing the doctrine. The center includes the World Federalist Movement as one of its members and coordinators.


Doesn't anybody do more than skim read and call for help anymore?:shk:
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posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 03:23 AM
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The UN was also behind a move here to create "marine parks".

It's no different to the WWF. It's about seizing territory.



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 03:24 AM
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Originally posted by mishigas
reply to post by TheWalkingFox
 



Since the OP wants to be a petulant little tool, here's a link to the initiative in question;

Joint Ocean Comission Initiative

From this, the OP article basically plays Seven Degrees of George Soros


Thanks for the ( mostly useless) link. Not my fault this place is like the occupants in Cuckoo's Nest sometimes!
Present company excluded, of course.
/sarc


Actually it's a very useful link.

Granted, not for you, since you're trying like hell to blow smoke up people's asses.

But for people who are interested in knowing what ocean commission Leon Panetta was co-chair of, it's pretty helpful. Also gives a name for the Initiative for people to google and find other sources.

Sorry that your bull# got called, mishigas. Try harder next time.



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 03:33 AM
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Actually it's a very useful link.

Granted, not for you, since you're trying like hell to blow smoke up people's asses.

But for people who are interested in knowing what ocean commission Leon Panetta was co-chair of, it's pretty helpful. Also gives a name for the Initiative for people to google and find other sources.

Sorry that your bull# got called, mishigas. Try harder next time.


Sorry, bunky, but you FAIL. Wrong! As I noted already, the commission was Citizens for Global Solutions, not some Meridian ad.


CIA Director Leon Panetta, President Obama’s nominee for secretary of defense, co-chaired an initiative to regulate U.S. oceans and cede them to United Nations-based international law.

Panetta’s oceans initiative was a key partner of an organization, Citizens for Global Solutions, that promotes world government.


You could have learned that from the OP, had you read it instead of jumping in here with half-assed assertions and childish insults.



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 03:34 AM
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If you look at a map of the Earth, and you consider how much of the "worlds" oceans wash up on US coastlines and territories, you can probably appreciate why the United States could never sign on for this kind of non-sensical "treaty". Leon Panetta is a political appointee, and pretty much, as SecDef or the Director of the CIA, just some guy that pulls in a paycheck for keeping the lights on and answering the phone, he doesn't actually do any real work, you know, he just signs off on stuff that shows up on his desk, sort of like a politician I would guess! The U.S. will never give up it's sea control. Never. But this is the kind of useless, senseless, and idiotic thinking that goes on at the U (Useless) N (Now) every day. If it seems I have a low opinion of the U. Stinking N., your right. Anythjing that came out of the mind of Woodrow Wilson can be nothing less that PURE evil. And what has the UN done for US lately? NOTHING!



posted on Jun, 27 2011 @ 04:02 AM
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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 12:22 AM
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Asking for evidence or proof on ATS = no no!
Starting a thread with no sources based on what turns out to be a lie from a faulty source = go right ahead. we will police it for you so no one gets too close.

What a #ing joke.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 06:33 AM
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Since the OP wants to be a petulant little tool, here's a link to the initiative in question;

Joint Ocean Comission Initiative

From this, the OP article basically plays Seven Degrees of George Soros.

Interestingly, none of the claims from the article or from its poster are actually true. Go figure, huh? The Joint Ocean Comission was a bipartisan initiative kicked up by the Bush Administration to look at environmental and defense concerns of US shorelines. It makes recommendations based on this scope. It has nothing to do with other nations, much less ceding Us territorial waters to them, or to the UN. Panetta is also not involved in any of the organizations that Mishigas is going on about; at least, not directly, I'm sure he knows a guy who knows a guy.


I just re-read that, and I wonder which planet you are from? Where did you get this bullcrap?

Has nothing to do with other nations?


The Convention was concluded in 1982 to replace a group of treaties adopted in 1958 that were out of date and unfavorable to America's economy and security. UNCLOS came into force in 1994, and to date, 159 countries and the European Union have joined the treaty.


Panetta is also not involved in any of the organizations that Mishigas is going on about; at least, not directly?


CIA Director Leon Panetta, President Obama’s nominee for secretary of defense, co-chaired an initiative to regulate U.S. oceans and cede them to United Nations-based international law.

Panetta’s oceans initiative was a key partner of an organization, Citizens for Global Solutions, that promotes world government.


Man, when you screw up, you really really screw up!



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 11:20 AM
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I don't doubt this is happening at all. These people have been hiding their NWO plans in plain site for decades. Call is Socialism, communism, capitalism, globalism, or whatever other label you want, but it's definitely Totalitarian and it's not nice. Someone sent me an article which was talking about Bill Gates and his depopulation friends. They are all very wealthy and think that they are special and that the rest of us should be killed so they can enjoy all the resources of the planet to themselves. These people are so evil and diabolical, yet they have convinced themselves that they are in the right.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 11:35 AM
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Sorry, you are the one who is in denial of what is going on. You seem to resonate with Socialist schemes, and I am not surprised that you are dissing the OP.



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