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Obama’s DoD nominee caught in 1-world scheme to cede oceans to U.N.-based international law

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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:52 PM
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Leon Panetta, soon to become Secretary of Defense (possibly), chaired an initiative to put US oceans under UN control:


CIA Director Leon Panetta, President Obama’s nominee for secretary of defense, co-chaired an initiative to regulate U.S. oceans and cede them to United Nations-based international law.

Panetta’s oceans initiative was a key partner of an organization, Citizens for Global Solutions, that promotes world government.

Also, the group’s parent organization, the World Federalist Movement, promotes democratized global institutions with plenary constitutional power. It is a coordinator and member of Responsibility to Protect, the controversial military doctrine used by Obama as the main justification for U.S. and international airstrikes against Libya.

As WND reported, billionaire George Soros is a primary funder and key proponent of the Global Centre for Responsibility to Protect, the main organization pushing the doctrine. The center includes the World Federalist Movement as one of its members and coordinators.

Panetta faces a Senate vote tomorrow on whether to confirm him as defense secretary.

Panetta


It figures that George Soros would be behind this latest movement to drive the US into socialism.




posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:57 PM
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I would like to see what this inititave actually says instead of relying on a biased website which convientely leaves the actual document out of their article.

There are usually more to these stories than these types of sites let on too.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 03:04 PM
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If you would actually like to see what the initiative says, why don't you do some research? While I do agree that there is obviously some bias on that website, you really seem utterly incapable of ever posting anything of actual worth on this site Kro. Come back with an actual argument based on fact and reference, then, maybe, people here might start to take you seriously.
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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 03:08 PM
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Originally posted by mishigas


CIA Director Leon Panetta, President Obama’s nominee for secretary of defense, co-chaired an initiative to regulate U.S. oceans and cede them to United Nations-based international law.




Uh...sure. Do you have any kind of link to where we can find this "initiative?" Before the poster above me rudely tells me to do some research, I googled some stuff. I do not really know what I am supposed to be looking for. I cannot even find "U.S. Oceans" on a map.


Sounds good though.
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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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Uh...sure. Do you have any kind of link to where we can find this "initiative?" Before the poster above me rudely tells me to do some research, I googled some stuff. I do not really know what I am supposed to be looking for. I cannot even find "U.S. Oceans" on a map.

Sounds good though.


See the post above yours for suggestions. I could dig it out, but I'm acting like the mother cheetah, who brings a wounded fawn back to her cubs so that they may learn how to kill their food.

I'm encouraging you to learn to do your own research.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 03:13 PM
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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 03:28 PM
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Originally posted by mishigas
See the post above yours for suggestions.


This one?

Originally posted by Q:1984A:1776
reply to post by kro32
 


If you would actually like to see what the initiative says, why don't you do some research? While I do agree that there is obviously some bias on that website, you really seem utterly incapable of ever posting anything of actual worth on this site Kro. Come back with an actual argument based on fact and reference, then, maybe, people here might start to take you seriously.
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Do you see things I do not see?


I could dig it out, but I'm acting like the mother cheetah, who brings a wounded fawn back to her cubs so that they may learn how to kill their food.

I'm encouraging you to learn to do your own research.


So you have no clue what your OP is even about. How hard would it be for you to just tell me which oceans are the "US oceans" for starters. Ther are only a few so that should be easy. Tell me where to start looking at least. Your link is useless. What else do you got? Seems like all you do is say things and then get mad when people ask you to back up what you said.

Do you stand behind the premise in your OP?
Did you do any research?
Where did you look?

Help me out. I am not asking to be spoon fed but for a member of ATS, are you not supposed to construct your OP with credible sources? Where are yours? Where are WNDS? Where are the US oceans?



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 03:30 PM
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Legally recognized International boundaries are 200 miles off shore. Most Countries agree, some don't.

As for this admin pushing a Soros agenda? I cannot disagree. It's out in the open, but no one of any power seems to want to stop it. It's going to come down to the individual.

It's going to get ugly.

CRAP! That seems to be my new signature, I post it so much.

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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 03:31 PM
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I thought anything beyond fifty miles off the coast of the US was International waters anyways? Am I wrong on that one? Never have been a fan of Leon Panetta, and I think it is a mistake to put a career politician in charge of the DOD but that's what I thought anyways.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 03:37 PM
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No you are not wrong. There is no such thing as a US ocean. Not anywhere on the planet. The article is stupid to begin with but the OP's lack of ability to explain it himself does not help. It only gets stupider.

The United Nations Convention on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS), also called the Law of the Sea Convention or the Law of the Sea treaty, is the international agreement that resulted from the third United Nations Conference on the Law of the Sea (UNCLOS III), which took place from 1973 through 1982. The Law of the Sea Convention defines the rights and responsibilities of nations in their use of the world's oceans, establishing guidelines for businesses, the environment, and the management of marine natural resources. The Convention, concluded in 1982,
Convention on the Law at Sea So far this is apparently what this is about.

I dunno. I am still kinda of busy laughing over the idea of "US oceans." Come on mishiga, tell me which ones those are and I will believe everything else you say.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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Maybe the "Dead Sea" are the only true International waters these days, the way the worlds economy seems to be tanking.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 03:47 PM
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Actually when somebody makes a post regarding an inititive it would make sense for them to include that in their statement and not just opinions about it.

Why should the readers do the research because the op left out a major piece of information?

As for you not saying I add anything that is simply your opinion and you seem to forget that people put posts up to receive comments about that. I add my comments like everyone else so the fact that you don't agree with them is really irrelevant.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 03:50 PM
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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 03:50 PM
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So you have no clue what your OP is even about. How hard would it be for you to just tell me which oceans are the "US oceans" for starters. Ther are only a few so that should be easy. Tell me where to start looking at least. Your link is useless. What else do you got? Seems like all you do is say things and then get mad when people ask you to back up what you said.


Believe it or not, I just came back to this thread to give you links to exactly what I've found, pro and con, on this issue.

Then I read your sarcastic little remark. Go do your own research. And learn some manners.
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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 03:58 PM
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Legally recognized International boundaries are 200 miles off shore. Most Countries agree, some don't.

As for this admin pushing a Soros agenda? I cannot disagree. It's out in the open, but no one of any power seems to want to stop it. It's going to come down to the individual.

It's going to get ugly.

CRAP! That seems to be my new signature, I post it so much.


It's actually a complex issue. It's been around since 1982, and it went dormant (in the US) for about 25 years. It seems to be brought forward by Democrat admins for the most part.

Of course the initiative says the whole wide world wants it, and now so does the US, but that is simply not true. Just reading it gives me great suspicions that we will be ceding much sovereignty of deep sea exploration, fishing, shipping, and other activities over to international tribunals. Of course, Soros would love that, as would Obama.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 04:04 PM
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US Oceans??? When did we start claiming we owned oceans? Whomever wrote that article is cleary an idiot or he thinks the people who read his work are idiots. Most likely both.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 08:30 PM
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Originally posted by mishigas
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Uh...sure. Do you have any kind of link to where we can find this "initiative?" Before the poster above me rudely tells me to do some research, I googled some stuff. I do not really know what I am supposed to be looking for. I cannot even find "U.S. Oceans" on a map.


See the post above yours for suggestions. I could dig it out, but I'm acting like the mother cheetah, who brings a wounded fawn back to her cubs so that they may learn how to kill their food.
I'm encouraging you to learn to do your own research.


Honey, you're acting like a neglectful mother cheetah who may or may not be feeding her cubs poison. Someone has challenged the validity of your source. Do you care about this topic or not? Pony up with the proof. It's your job to do that, so us cubs can debate the ramifications. Links or it didn't happen.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 09:53 PM
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Honey, you're acting like a neglectful mother cheetah who may or may not be feeding her cubs poison. Someone has challenged the validity of your source. Do you care about this topic or not? Pony up with the proof. It's your job to do that, so us cubs can debate the ramifications. Links or it didn't happen.


Sorry, do your own research. Others here have; you're not helpless. Or maybe you are, I don't care either way.

It took me about 10 seconds to get the fact sheet and the initiative. Then the brilliant guy first says "I googled some stuff. but I didn't really know what I was looking for".

I go off to get him links, pro and con, and I come back to find he has insulted me for not being quick enough to please him. He says I was "hiding". So, he can go and google some more "stuff", for all I care. And maybe he'll share it with you. He sounds like you two would make a great team.

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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 10:30 PM
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turn over us terrirorty that extends 200 miles offshore which means turning control over the un and the un dictates who gets what and where.

nah if its not gun control its something else turning over our national soveignty to the un is an act of treason.

so no dont like this one bit.

and for those who cant see what this is its like the un decides whoever pays the un enough cash to drill for oil anywhere they want to.

nah



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 10:58 PM
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I know that the USA and most of the EU officially decree that the whole of the arctic ocean is international waters while Canada, Denmark, Norway and Russia regard parts of it as national or internal waters. Can't see how it could be done if neighbouring countries can't agree then how could it be possibly be enforced or even reconised.



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