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Originally posted by vjr1113
yes it should be taken out. it gives the impression that this is a christian nation. it was added after the pledge was written not that long ago.
This is a contract to your country and like a marriage, for better or worse.
Originally posted by newcovenant
Originally posted by vjr1113
yes it should be taken out. it gives the impression that this is a christian nation. it was added after the pledge was written not that long ago.
It was added by Eisenhower in 1954
www.religioustolerance.org...
Originally posted by Q:1984A:1776
reply to post by newcovenant
My parents militantly believed in God. They were Jehovah's Witnesses. They didn't think that it was appropriate to put "one nation, under God" in the pledge, as this nation is not united in being "under God". There are plenty of people who would swear their allegiance to this nation, but they don't believe in your "God" or they don't believe in any god. The pledge totally goes against the intention our founding fathers had in giving us freedom of religion.edit on 26-6-2011 by Q:1984A:1776 because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by OnceReturned
reply to post by newcovenant
Because it's just a saying and the majority of Americans want to keep saying it the way it is. It's not a law, you don't have to say it, and you're free to say something else. It's not really even an official tradition, if you wanted to change it, where would you even make the change? Just announce one day that everyone is doing it wrong and tell them the new way? People can and do say whatever they want, and they will say the pledge the way they want to. Unless you're going to enforce a "new way of saying it" law, there's really no way to change it other than to try to convince everyone that they should want to say it in another way. Right now, people want it the way it is, and their desire is the deciding factor. There's no official mechanism in place to decide whether or not it's right, the issue is decided at the level of personal beliefs.
Originally posted by BobbyShaftoe
Speaking as an atheist, i think whether the word god is used is of no significance.
it is my understanding that:
God folk like the word god to be used.
Anti-god folk don't.
Atheists don't care.
Originally posted by wardk28
Why should "under God" be removed from the pledge? And you aren't pleding allegiance to just a flag but what the flag stands for (or what it use to stand for). Too many changes have been made and thats why we are on the road we are on now. We used to be a great nation but slowly what made us great has been chiseled away. People need to stop trying to change the foundation on what this country was built on. There is no seperation of church and state in the constitution. What it does say is that the state can not force you to believe in any one religion. If you don't believe in God thats fine but that doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't either.
Originally posted by newcovenant
Originally posted by Annee
Originally posted by newcovenant
I believe in God.
Notice Atheist seem to lack the stomach for this argument and I'd like to see it out there so theoretically I don't and would like to see UNDER GOD taken out of the pledge. This should not be the end of the world.
So why is it?
The pledge should be for ALL citizens.
Not ALL citizens believe in or support God.
We are a secular government. End of debate.
I am an Atheist and my stomach is just fine.
This makes a lot of sense but I don't see why people are using it as a political weapon all of a sudden.
Originally posted by Badgered1
This is a contract to your country and like a marriage, for better or worse.
Why is there a need to re-affirm this every time a sporting/school/shopping event happens?
If you say it once, and mean it, you probably don't need to say it again.
I said my wedding vows, meant what I said, and stick with that...I don't need to repeat them out loud every day/every time I go to watch a game.
Repeating things, especially divisive things, doesn't make you more patriotic or a better American.
Originally posted by BobbyShaftoe
Speaking as an atheist, i think whether the word god is used is of no significance.
it is my understanding that:
God folk like the word god to be used.
Anti-god folk don't.
Atheists don't care.
Originally posted by newcovenant
In one I am a patriotic American and in the other I am just following along like a monkey.
Originally posted by Sek82
I don't think the pledge itself, or the reference to God should be thrown out at all.
In fact if you are one of the NWO fearers, you would be wise to hold onto these things, for the changes such as removing reference of God, or removing the pledge, or like that idiot from CNN who recommended we throw out the Constitution, well these are the steps towards something that is not America, or should I say a continuation of the steps that is transforming our country from what used to be a country - to something else that will not last and will fall.
Before you can claim that God should be removed from a pledge to our flag, first you must define who, or what God is. And personally I don't think the Bible or the Koran can quite answer that question, so if you are unable to believe in a higher judging power, slap the label "God" on it, and pledge your allegiance to our Flag under it, well there are plenty of other countries to go to.
I mean what do we replace God with? Something like this?
I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under The Federal Reserve, indivisible, with (less and less) liberty and (instant ocean tossing) justice for all.
Maybe learning the pledge was our first indoctrination into brainwashing
Originally posted by vjr1113
Originally posted by newcovenant
Originally posted by vjr1113
yes it should be taken out. it gives the impression that this is a christian nation. it was added after the pledge was written not that long ago.
It was added by Eisenhower in 1954
www.religioustolerance.org...
yes! star for you
Between 1924 and 1954, the Pledge of Allegiance was worded: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
In 1954, during the McCarthy era and communism scare, Congress passed a bill, which was signed into law, to add the words "under God."
The Pledge is recited, on average, tens of millions of times a day -- largely by students in schools across America.
On 2002-JUN-26, a three judge panel of the 9th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals voted 2 to 1 to declare the Pledge unconstitutional because of the addition of the phrase "under God."
This decision only affects the states of AK, AZ, CA, HI, ID, MT, NV, OR and WA. The ruling stating that "the text of the official Pledge, codified in federal law, impermissibly takes a position with respect to the purely religious question of the existence and identity of God."
The U.S. Supreme Court overturned the Circut Court of Appeals reading. They did not rule on the basis of the Pledge violating the Establishment Clause of the First Amendment of the U.S. Constitution. Rather, they ruled that the plaintiff Michael Newdow did not have primary custody of his daughter and thus did not have standing to take the case to the federal court system.
Originally posted by lastbleedingvictim
I support the case you make, and it was really nice. but that also raises the question... I don't believe in God, so why shouldn't God be taken out of dog? Ha S&F