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Do you mean that you will believe a scientist if he proves what you already believe without proof?
Originally posted by NewAgeMan Please let me know when science discovers the truth of human existence as we really experience it, without reducing the human being to a thing, or consciousness to an epiphenomenon of matter
Originally posted by yeti101
reply to post by schuyler
i would say you need to take it out because it makes america look like a bunch of religious wack jobs which actually isn't far from the truth especially the right wing.
The christian god is not factually proven.
Originally posted by NewAgeMan
reply to post by SaturnFX
Religion without science is blind, yes, on that we agree.
Please let me know when science discovers the truth of human existence as we really experience it, without reducing the human being to a thing, or consciousness to an epiphenomenon of matter, at which point we might begin to have even more in common.
Originally posted by georgewvess
reply to post by newcovenant
As B. Franklin said, there is two ways of thinking. There is right thinking, people who recognize the evidence in all things that God exists. Then there is the wrong thinkers who for one reason or another, denies Gods existence. God does not require our faith in Him to exist, His laws still have power over us. That is we still suffer the consequences of breaking his laws whether we like it or not. As it is said in the scriptures, an atheist is a fool. No insult intended, people have the right to believe or disbelief, but that does not free us from the consequences of our choices.This is reality.
Originally posted by IgnorantiaNegant
The pledge itself wasn't always around, and as someone already been pointed out, "Under God" was added even more recently. I think it ought to be changed though. How about "One nation under the Constitution, indivisible, and with liberty and justice for all"? It's secular, without being anti-religious, and I don't think anyone would have a problem reciting it. I'm not religious and I'm not part of the Tea Party movement, still I think it would be healthy for the people taking the pledge on a regular basis, as well as the President himself upon inauguration, to be reminded of the founding principles of the country, as opposed to a religious view which just happens to be held by a large portion of the country.
Originally posted by Turkenstein
reply to post by newcovenant
You are just fishing for attention and multiple replies. Talk to your momma if you are not getting enough attention.
Originally posted by guitarplayer
reply to post by newcovenant
Ok all the atheists you want under God take off the pledge because we are a secular government. Then by all means do it and while you’re at it let remove all religious holiday vacation days that government employees get paid for, and I sure don’t see how you could possible take that Christmas bonus
Originally posted by tomten
reply to post by newcovenant
I'm an atheist.
But I would like "under God" to remain in the pledge.
Because of tradition.
I don't agree to have kids saying the pledge at school though.
I get a feeling of Nazi-Germany's Hitlerjugend when I see that.
edit on 2011-6-27 by tomten because: added more
Simply idiotic. None of those are even remotely comparable to the pledge of allegiance. God not being mentioned whatsoever isn't imposing atheism on anyone. It's not hypocritical at all. If it were mentioning that there are no gods whatsoever, then yes, that would be imposing atheism. If you want to believe this country is one nation under god, fine, that's your belief, just keep your beliefs out of the official pledge.
Originally posted by CaptGizmo
I don't like cigarettes should they be banned? I also don't like Brussels sprouts, should they be banned? Atheist seem to think the world should change for their small minority. The fact that Atheist think we should take the wording "One Nation Under God" out of the pledge is kind of like one religion trying to tell the rest of us how and what we should do, even though I may not believe in their beliefs. It's hypocritical and just another group trying to impose their will upon others. Atheist are doing the same thing. No one forces you to recite the pledge of allegiance. I don't remember being forced to do it in school. and that was a long time ago.
Hard for right-wingers to argue against this proposal.
Originally posted by IgnorantiaNegant
The pledge itself wasn't always around, and as someone already been pointed out, "Under God" was added even more recently. I think it ought to be changed though. How about "One nation under the Constitution, indivisible, and with liberty and justice for all"? It's secular, without being anti-religious, and I don't think anyone would have a problem reciting it. I'm not religious and I'm not part of the Tea Party movement, still I think it would be healthy for the people taking the pledge on a regular basis, as well as the President himself upon inauguration, to be reminded of the founding principles of the country, as opposed to a religious view which just happens to be held by a large portion of the country.
Originally posted by FoosM
Originally posted by newcovenant
Originally posted by AzureSky
Athiests just need to stop taking everything as a personal shot at what they believe in. Who gives a damn, who or what someone believes in.
Use some common sense. Let people display what they want to display, they do it for a reason other than to piss atheists off. So don't take it personally and we'll all be a lot happier.
This is a very good point.
People do not do this to be offensive and so I think the burden of proving the offense should be on the offended. How are you injured? I would ask.
Well I guess what you are saying is that you wouldn't care if it were taken out.
Amirite?
Originally posted by yrwehere1
reply to post by newcovenant
I look at it this way, "Say the pledge if you want, the way you want." After all, the last time I checked, this is still America and you still have the freedom of speech, so use it!
edit on 27-6-2011 by yrwehere1 because: change wording
I have nothing to do on Thanksgiving or Easter anyway. But Xmas is for toys and parties.
Originally posted by guitarplayerChristmas
Easter, Halloween, and Christmas are the three major religious celebrations of professing Christianity today. And all three violate the instructions of God concerning false Gods and false religious practices.
Originally posted by GodIsPissed
reply to post by newcovenant
Are we not proof of an intelligent design(God)?
Is life not proof of God?
So the real question here is..do you believe we came from nothing,or something?That something being God or whatever it was that created all!
Why after all these years of making us believe God existed are they making us believe he doesn't exist?You can see it everywhere.Especially on Tv.Why the denouncement of God after all these years?Why do we still have to swear on the bible then?I mean is it official?Did the president come out on Tv and say.."God doesn't exist"?Has it been proven?What are all those holy wars about?Just a bunch a "crazy people" fighting for nothing I suppose?
And what about all the promoting of Satan?Is that part of our imagination too?And all the Satanic subliminal messages put into our kids shows,is that just our imagination too?
People ask for proof but it's everywhere just look around!Look in the mirror!That's proof!