I don't believe in "God" so why shouldn't God be taken out of the pledge?

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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:06 PM
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I believe in God.
Notice Atheist seem to lack the stomach for this argument and I'd like to see it out there so theoretically I don't and would like to see UNDER GOD taken out of the pledge. This should not be the end of the world.
So why is it?

Again, repeating I do believe in God but I also DO understand that God is not proven ...per se.
God is a conspiracy in that it is a concept embraced by some and eschewed by others.
And either way, God or no God it cannot be proved.
Like other conspiracies ET, ghosts and that HAARP can control the weather, God is a subject for debate.
And rightfully so.

I happen to fall into the sheep category and make no apologies for my religiosity. Call it a quirk.

I ALSO DO think the phrase under God should be left in the pledge and we shouldn't cater to a bunch of politically correct atheists.

"They" (and I mean a majority here on ATS) are already removing crosses from the dessert, bibles and commandments from national monuments, Christmas trees and nativity scenes in public buildings.
Naturally they will go after the pledge.

Maybe they are right to do so and in this case UNDER GOD SHOULD BE REMOVED. as Hitler-esque as it sounds.

On the flip side I recognize and admit there are a variety of religions and no one or any of them necessarily has it right. I do wonder if buckling to demands of people with NO RELIGION is honoring "religious freedom"?


I am probably wrong but people cannot have it both ways.

There seems to be some indication or sentiment on the board now that this removing the under God part of the pledge is the beginning of the end for America and a terrible thing.

People are making it sound like some kind of a step toward socialism or a place where God is moot.

It is only the same intellectual argument we have about God or no God here everyday on ATS.
I know there are very few "religious" people here who even believe in God.
I think there are a great many spiritual beings and people here but God Himself, is sort of a persona non grata...

Just imo and from the jist of the threads started and the things there in the religious forum. It is a little unpopular to believe in God and Jesus around here. Am I wrong?


The question I have I guess is, should God be taken out of the pledge if you do not believe in Him? Want to hear from those people. I hear from them often enough otherwise on ATS.
I hope I wasn't imagining these illuminated atheists who abound and are great debaters.

Truthfully they are hard to argue.
Some dark moments I am afraid they might be right and I am praying to nobody.
I still do my best though.

I am wondering what kinds of reactions and responses this title will provoke.
Your thoughts?



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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:09 PM
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The ``pledge`` should be thrown out altogether.

Why do people feel the need to pledge allegiance to a flag anyway?
edit on 26-6-2011 by Rockdisjoint because: (no reason given)


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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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Athiests just need to stop taking everything as a personal shot at what they believe in. Who gives a damn, who or what someone believes in.

Use some common sense. Let people display what they want to display, they do it for a reason other than to piss atheists off. So don't take it personally and we'll all be a lot happier.


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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by newcovenant
I believe in God.
Notice Atheist seem to lack the stomach for this argument and I'd like to see it out there so theoretically I don't and would like to see UNDER GOD taken out of the pledge. This should not be the end of the world.
So why is it?


The pledge should be for ALL citizens.

Not ALL citizens believe in or support God.

We are a secular government. End of debate.

I am an Atheist and my stomach is just fine.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:17 PM
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Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by newcovenant
 


The ``pledge`` should be thrown out altogether.

Why do people feel the need to pledge allegiance to a flag anyway?


Well Yeah!

But that wasn't the question asked.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:23 PM
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Originally posted by Annee

Originally posted by newcovenant
I believe in God.
Notice Atheist seem to lack the stomach for this argument and I'd like to see it out there so theoretically I don't and would like to see UNDER GOD taken out of the pledge. This should not be the end of the world.
So why is it?


The pledge should be for ALL citizens.

Not ALL citizens believe in or support God.

We are a secular government. End of debate.

I am an Atheist and my stomach is just fine.


This makes a lot of sense but I don't see why people are using it as a political weapon all of a sudden.
It is a tough argument and there are those who will say we began and were founded as an escape for religious freedom and God played a big part of our nations founding.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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Soo people who don't believe want UNDER GOD gone?

But believers want UNDER GOD there!?

So...So if a non-believer is a 0 because its nothing and a believer is a 1 because its something and both want something so its a +. Then ends up,

Non-believer + Believer = Believers.

So only believers of God have to right to choose if UNDER GOD should or shouldn't be allowed.

Problem solved...lol...you don't have the right to say because you chose to give up that right...the end.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:32 PM
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Because it's just a saying and the majority of Americans want to keep saying it the way it is. It's not a law, you don't have to say it, and you're free to say something else. It's not really even an official tradition, if you wanted to change it, where would you even make the change? Just announce one day that everyone is doing it wrong and tell them the new way? People can and do say whatever they want, and they will say the pledge the way they want to. Unless you're going to enforce a "new way of saying it" law, there's really no way to change it other than to try to convince everyone that they should want to say it in another way. Right now, people want it the way it is, and their desire is the deciding factor. There's no official mechanism in place to decide whether or not it's right, the issue is decided at the level of personal beliefs.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:33 PM
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Speaking as an atheist, i think whether the word god is used is of no significance.

it is my understanding that:

God folk like the word god to be used.
Anti-god folk don't.
Atheists don't care.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:34 PM
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I cannot fail to find humour in the irony of "...one nation, under god, indivisible..." only to have that line so sweeping divide the people.

You cannot insist that Americans are 'under god.' It's just as helpful to say, "One nation, all with hair, indivisible" and expecting bald people just go with it. The inclusion is a divisive vehicle. You cannot be indivisible and divided at the same time. Justice for all? Well, for all those who are happy with the text, I guess.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:34 PM
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Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by newcovenant
 


The ``pledge`` should be thrown out altogether.

Why do people feel the need to pledge allegiance to a flag anyway?
edit on 26-6-2011 by Rockdisjoint because: (no reason given)



I accidentally made the question sort of blurry and after thinking a bit I guess now all I will get is angry Christians and Jews. I should have asked simply why should under God be removed from the pledge?

Yours is also the kind of answer I was hoping for. Off the grid.

Why IS it necessary?
Peoples identities are wrapped up in them and like sports teams our allegiance comes with colors and customs. I think it is part of a method of controlling the masses and manipulating their actions at any given time.
In one respect, if people did not say a pledge like this how could they be charged with treason?
This is a contract to your country and like a marriage, for better or worse.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:35 PM
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Why should it not be removed? Because for Christ´s sake U.S., there are more important things to worry about that upsetting a few rabid atheists.

Removing it would have very similar logic to burning down churches in places where many atheists live. Part of your history, part of how your country was formed. So keep it, and worry about the more pressing issues.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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My parents militantly believed in God. They were Jehovah's Witnesses. They didn't think that it was appropriate to put "one nation, under God" in the pledge, as this nation is not united in being "under God". There are plenty of people who would swear their allegiance to this nation, but they don't believe in your "God" or they don't believe in any god. The pledge totally goes against the intention our founding fathers had in giving us freedom of religion.
edit on 26-6-2011 by Q:1984A:1776 because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:39 PM
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This thread is full of phail. The OP felt a need for attention. It provides me lulz.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by shadowx089
Soo people who don't believe want UNDER GOD gone?

But believers want UNDER GOD there!?

So...So if a non-believer is a 0 because its nothing and a believer is a 1 because its something and both want something so its a +. Then ends up,

Non-believer + Believer = Believers.

So only believers of God have to right to choose if UNDER GOD should or shouldn't be allowed.

Problem solved...lol...you don't have the right to say because you chose to give up that right...the end.



I get this. It is one bowing to the other and giving the benefit of the doubt. Sometimes I think things should stay the same just because that's the way they are and they are not hurting anyone so why not just leave them alone? Let sleeping dogs lie.

In fact I think this a lot. Maybe it is an "age" thing. lol
But maybe I am just too tired to fight for what is (in fact) right?
And yes, at times this seems a little like poking a bees nest with a stick.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:41 PM
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Originally posted by Rockdisjoint
reply to post by newcovenant
 


The ``pledge`` should be thrown out altogether.

Why do people feel the need to pledge allegiance to a flag anyway?
edit on 26-6-2011 by Rockdisjoint because: (no reason given)


took the words right out of my mouth



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:42 PM
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Originally posted by AzureSky
Athiests just need to stop taking everything as a personal shot at what they believe in. Who gives a damn, who or what someone believes in.

Use some common sense. Let people display what they want to display, they do it for a reason other than to piss atheists off. So don't take it personally and we'll all be a lot happier.



This is a very good point.
People do not do this to be offensive and so I think the burden of proving the offense should be on the offended. How are you injured? I would ask.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:43 PM
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yes it should be taken out. it gives the impression that this is a christian nation. it was added after the pledge was written not that long ago.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:43 PM
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Why should "under God" be removed from the pledge? And you aren't pleding allegiance to just a flag but what the flag stands for (or what it use to stand for). Too many changes have been made and thats why we are on the road we are on now. We used to be a great nation but slowly what made us great has been chiseled away. People need to stop trying to change the foundation on what this country was built on. There is no seperation of church and state in the constitution. What it does say is that the state can not force you to believe in any one religion. If you don't believe in God thats fine but that doesn't mean everyone else shouldn't either.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 02:44 PM
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Originally posted by Shadys321
This thread is full of phail. The OP felt a need for attention. It provides me lulz.




It is a rainy day and the OP is bored.





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