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Real simple answer to why those who work(ed) directly w/ Aliens & UFOs are so quiet

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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 01:04 PM
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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 01:31 PM
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The whistleblowers you seek , are above the compartments that you know of .
They do not live amongst the general population , and enjoy their work , so
they won't be blowing any whistles .
... maybe one day




posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 01:36 PM
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Originally posted by radarloveguy
reply to post by Swills
 


The whistleblowers you seek , are above the compartments that you know of .
They do not live amongst the general population , and enjoy their work , so
they won't be blowing any whistles .
... maybe one day



I can agree to that

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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 08:02 PM
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Originally posted by chrismicha77
Just a few guys that I think have some credibility but, others don't, are:


I can help out with a couple of these.



Phil Schneider - His story is very very solid but, some of his claims may have been twisted, to sound a bit more sensational.


Phil was a total fraud. The bulk of his "lectures" came from old John Lear (The Lear Hypothises) and Bill Cooper material (Behold a pail of rubber mallets) plus "The Dulce papers", plus an ex-CIA whistleblower. He got all of this material from Ron Rummel, the source of all of Phil's "education" on the subject.

The only material that was his "own" was supposedly being in the Dulce firefight. Sorry but he never heard of Dulce before he came in contact with John Lear's material.

The missing fingers on his hand are from playing with explosives when he was a kid.

As for the piece of "Corbomite" that he holds up during his "talks" and displays as some kind of proof of something, that name was created by someone else. Google - Star Trek.

I asked Phil why he was doing this (since he knew that I was aware of where he got his information and when, and falsely including himself in the story), and he said that the money was "real good" on the lecture circuit, and that it was important that the alien information come out.

I said Yeah but not like this.

He has caused many a researcher to waste untold amounts of time looking into his "claims". Save yourself the trouble and time.



Bob Lazar - A lot of people claim he is a fraud but he knows to much to be a total fraud. He also knew about element 115 way before it was "discovered" recently. So there is some validity to his claims! He has also passed a lie detector test.


Bob is the real deal. I went in person to Nevada to check out his story for myself. I encountered proof positive he was telling the truth.



David Adair - His claims have drawn attention from the Scientific community and most claim he's a hoaxer. Although, I am on the fence about his claims but, there is a lot of truth behind his statements. Whether his ideas are false or made up, they sure do sound to be plausable.


I have no proof either way on this guy, I have never investigated him.

Hope this helps.




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posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 08:21 PM
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Originally posted by Imtor
Still, those former Air Force look credible and mostl ikely are. In the 1h 50 min conference from 2010 they said objects disabled their missiles. They explicitly said - they don't know if it is alien, other earth beings or anything -


Well the thing is that there is one explanation of that that really fits..

Plasma Critters being curious. Since the critters are made of energy, the old safegaurd systems of the day would have been effected by any strong energy in proximity. These energy fluctuations cause by curious critters getting too close to the nukes (maybe attracted by the energy for a quick snack
) would have set off all kinds of bells and whistles on that old equipment and caused shutdowns.

Since no nukes were actually damaged, merely controls shut down, I would say it was harmless curiousity. And the descriptions of the objects is consistent with 'Critters'

Today our systems are more EM proof, but back then we were just getting started. Anyone remember all the glowing objects sighted near power lines and thunderstorms? Merely critters feeding off the EM energy



Perhaps this is why the Air Force and NASA can look us in the eye and say confidently that they pose no risk to national security. No critter has ever harmed anyone

Think about it



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 08:37 PM
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Originally posted by Swills
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... the possibility that they are lying to ruin his rep is a real real. They've done it before, doing it right now, and will continue to do it in the future. So I guess to really find out is to look for ourselves



Yep and they slipped up on at least one occasion and were caught red- handed lying about having no records of him ever having worked at Los Alamos. He did, and their own phone books proved it. Oops!



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 09:37 PM
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Hi Zorgon, always refreshing to see a post by someone who knows and posts the facts about the Lazar case, instead of those who post their own speculations posed as factual information.




Look at Bob Lazar for instance... he put Area 51 on the map, no matter what you believe, it was him that made Area 51 a public statement.


Correct. These days everyone tries to act like Area 51 was already famous, and then along comes Bob Lazar trying to get some attention.

Wrong.

Before Bob spilled the beans, no one knew about Area 51.

Period.

He is -the only reason- that name is now known world- wide.

Period.

And why did he do it? Because he is some kind of hero and felt the world had a right to know?

Wrong.

He did it because he was a scared rat running for his life after getting caught taking his friends out there for a look. They confirm seeing the tests and Bob even videotaped the tests. Reporter George Knapp broadcast this tape on the KLAS television evening news and the results of his investigation into his background. (Interesting side note: That videotape, as well as the evening news report is not available anywhere. On youtube there is a 20 second video clip posted several places claiming to be the Lazar home video of the tests, when in fact they are not. It is very different than his video.) Good thing I still have my original copy eh?

Not only did he and his wife recieve death threats for talking any further, and his tire being shot out while driving, while trying to get a new job he discovered his past was being erased. Potential employers reported back to him that none of his past jobs or schools had any record of him.

THAT is when he became frightened enough to go public, and why.

Period.



You take the clues and do the legwork. If the story is false, you soon reach a dead end. But if the story has even a tiny shred of fact, you will be able to follow the bread crumbs to really solid info


Exactly. And stating that you could observe these tests from Public Land made this a claim irresistable to investigate.

So those that got off their duff and went out personally to investigate, got the surprise of their lives.

There are way to many people on the internet and on ATS claiming the Lazar case has been proven to be false, but that is not the case. Ever seen any "proof" of this? No. All you get is "But what about this, what about that?"
Sorry but that is not proof, and each "problem" they have with his story can be explained by alternate means.

If Bob's story doesn't add up for you, doesn't make sense because of X, Y, and Z, that's fine, post them as such, and stop posting your reservations as fact when in reality they are not.

You are in for a BIG surprise one of these days, I can guarantee you that!

Thanks for inspiring this rant Zorgon!



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by FireMoon
As I pointed out on another thread. Whatever you might think of Bob Lazar..he said..."I'll show you UFOs" on a given date and time coming from the Area 51 and he did just that and to this date, I have seen nothing to contradict that he made good on his promise, not just once but several times.


Hey Firemoon, thanks once again for pointing out this extremely pertinent verifiable FACT that so many like to ignore or pretend they are unaware of.

On every thread where I have posted facts about Bob Lazar, the skeptics have no response and disappear. Very odd considering what prolific posters they normally are and continue to be (on other threads of course where they find easier targets).


Obviously facts not speculation is a real problem for them.



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 09:54 PM
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Originally posted by CynicalWabbit
Federal Pen time, loss of all benefits and pension. Pretty harsh, until you get to that age when you don't care anymore about the penalties and come forward.


And the penalties get even worse when you are dealing with The Most Secret Project in History!



posted on Jun, 28 2011 @ 09:59 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon
...The problem with truth is what is the good of speaking the truth, when no one will believe you? Short of supplying the actual body or a piece of saucer made of some unknown element, it would never be believed anyway...


Great point Zorgon. Those of us with experience in this matter know this all too well.


I see many "skeptics" here that even if one landed on their lawn and aliens emerged, they would still ask for I.D.



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 12:12 PM
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Originally posted by Swills
Where are the whistle blowers? How come no one is talking?


Watch the Disclosure Project videos...



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 01:21 PM
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Originally posted by TheFlash

Originally posted by Swills
Where are the whistle blowers? How come no one is talking?


Watch the Disclosure Project videos...


I posted them...



posted on Jun, 29 2011 @ 01:49 PM
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That's one of things about Bob Lazar that stood out to me above everything else including all of the stories about UFO's being tested, the different types, etc. The fact that the man took people to a certain location and said there will be "UFO's" at a specific time and place speaks volumes alone. In my opinion I think that half the stuff Bob said was to "hype" up semi boring tales of the testing of new propulsion devices when the only evidence he had was mathematics and schematics.



posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 02:47 AM
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Originally posted by GORGANTHIUM
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The goverment has security protocols for just about everything on material infomation and personel from classified level to above top secret level.The protocol security has a select security word reconition program which only really lets out infomation and personel within a certain security level.That level of security is deemed safe to release .Any thing or person above theses security levels is of greater importance and is protected very well.A lot of infomation and whistles blowers up to this point is either false ,madeup or deemed not a threat and can be allowed to be released to the general public.Because there is so many lies and disinfomation out there really benifits the goverment in better ways of really hiding its real secrets.If by the chance a important security word or words was released or stolen by goverment personel.They would be stopped very quickly.They would not even get the chance to place that infomation on the internet or even make a phone call.The goverment computer hackers are very good at geting into any computer and deleting material,planting material and montoring material.It makes it easyer for the goverment computer hackers when all computers have built it to them secret access codes that are untraceable and they can get into any computer on line.
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It's pretty easy to walk away with information, from my experience anyway. I could literally upload all of the intel to the internet from my work station and no one would be the wiser, at the time. In time, it would get out and an investigation will begin, from which I'm sure it would only be a matter of time before I'm caught. And it all goes back to that one thing, going to prison.

No thanks.



posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 03:04 AM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Imtor
Still, those former Air Force look credible and mostl ikely are. In the 1h 50 min conference from 2010 they said objects disabled their missiles. They explicitly said - they don't know if it is alien, other earth beings or anything -


Well the thing is that there is one explanation of that that really fits..

Plasma Critters being curious. Since the critters are made of energy, the old safegaurd systems of the day would have been effected by any strong energy in proximity. These energy fluctuations cause by curious critters getting too close to the nukes (maybe attracted by the energy for a quick snack
) would have set off all kinds of bells and whistles on that old equipment and caused shutdowns.

Since no nukes were actually damaged, merely controls shut down, I would say it was harmless curiousity. And the descriptions of the objects is consistent with 'Critters'

Today our systems are more EM proof, but back then we were just getting started. Anyone remember all the glowing objects sighted near power lines and thunderstorms? Merely critters feeding off the EM energy



Perhaps this is why the Air Force and NASA can look us in the eye and say confidently that they pose no risk to national security. No critter has ever harmed anyone

Think about it




That might be true in some instances Zorgon but as you no there was many sightings of solid shaped craft over silos



posted on Jul, 5 2011 @ 04:12 AM
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It makes you wonder about the Caret Drone Hoax etc.and the Isaac disclosure related site.

Was it a real hoax? or was a hoax set up to cover up an event? (as an example only).

Just check the thread out its now turned into a pathetic one upmanship of showing off who can cut and paste dumb illistrations, I have a good sence of humour but now its gone past childish.

I am shooting from the hip here and to be honest some famous so called debunked related events I get the feeling theres something not right about final conclusions from so called experts on ats or out side.

There are to many personality bashers who just cannot stand a person ( Icon) who brings an event to lite be it true or not just because they have issues.

And to many who spin off lagit events to make a buck and trash the validation.

Note! Dont Shoot The Messenger!



posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 02:38 PM
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Originally posted by Bob Down Under
there was many sightings of solid shaped craft over silos


Pictures or it didn't happen





posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 02:40 PM
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Originally posted by Swills
It's pretty easy to walk away with information, from my experience anyway. I could literally upload all of the intel to the internet from my work station and no one would be the wiser, at the time.



So ummm... whatcha got?

Problem with truth is what good is it to know the truth if no one believes you?
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posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 02:45 PM
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they are quiet because they want to work on their books directed to the gullible masses who follow this science fiction subject.
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posted on Jul, 6 2011 @ 03:22 PM
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Originally posted by zorgon

Originally posted by Swills
It's pretty easy to walk away with information, from my experience anyway. I could literally upload all of the intel to the internet from my work station and no one would be the wiser, at the time.



So ummm... whatcha got?

Problem with truth is what good is it to know the truth if no one believes you?
edit on 6-7-2011 by zorgon because: (no reason given)


I kept nothing, & never even entertained the idea of stealing info. You have no idea what they could walk away with & blow us away with their evidence. If they are working with aliens then they have access to some pretty spectactular stuff from new technologies, videos, pictures, hell even new classified documents could do the trick. But it all comes down to security & not wanting to go to jail or fully believing in what you're doing & enjoy your job, clearance, life, so why tell? If someone wanted to leave with info they could easily, especially in the days of flash drives on keychains, but people with clearances are usually honest enough not to do it.

Although it is starting at lower levels leaking to Wikileaks. So who knows, once the damn breaks maybe more will come forward




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