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Stolen Nuclear Material/Warhead Faslane Scotland

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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 05:13 AM
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A bomb went off and some terrorist material was found, in woods near an educational
building used by University folks and visiting academics.


Bombs/home made fireworks have been going off near Universities for ever its something a few chemistry students have always done.
www.roguesci.org...

There like the script kiddies of the blasting world
:@@ :




posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 05:52 AM
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I remember years ago that the base security was breached by some Irish tourists. They were on a driving holiday, lost their way, approached the base main gates and simply got waved through. They weren't stopped or questioned, nothing.

It was only when the tourists approached naval staff to ask for directions that base authorities first got wind that something was terribly amiss. Think the sentries on duty got severe reprimands.

Can I ask of you this. Some contributors are confident that British warheads are shipped out to the USA, stuck atop "our Tridents" and the submarines are loaded up over there.

But I can't be the only ATS'er who's seen the "warhead convoys" which trundle up the M6/M74 and right through Glasgow City Centre (a hugely contentious issue in itself). What purpose do these convoys play then ?



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 06:07 AM
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The trident convoys are very real , and i have seen dozens of them.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 06:15 AM
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As far as im aware Coulport is where the warheads are kept, I could be wrong though. And I dont imagine that any CND'r would get Coulport and Faslane mixed up. So was it nuclear warhead material or nuclear reactor material, Im sure they must be in the know since they know about everything else. As for 7 soldiers dying, I find it very very hard to imagine that this wouldnt be reported in the media in some way whether it be a Faslane worker or a victims family member.

I personally haven't seen anyway convoys, but years ago I worked with someone that swore it was one that was trundling along the M8 and my partner knows about them too, so with two totally unrelated people knowing about this I'll take this info with a lesser pinch of salt. Its terrifying to think that these damned things go freely through Glasgow city centre; at least I would go up like a wee blue flame if anything were to happen.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 06:34 AM
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Originally posted by ANNED

A bomb went off and some terrorist material was found, in woods near an educational
building used by University folks and visiting academics.


Bombs/home made fireworks have been going off near Universities for ever its something a few chemistry students have always done.
www.roguesci.org...

There like the script kiddies of the blasting world
:@@ :


Hey there ANNED, this is a good piece of information that could certainly offer a potential alternative suggestion to 'terrorist activity' in the woods ... and this is the kind of information that should be shared in a serious ... adult discussion so that participants have more to work with when trying to reach conclusions.

However, I fail to see why you felt the need to ridicule your own information by adding all the smiley faces in what I can only assume was your attempt to appear superior to anyone making other suggestions in the thread. I'm sure I'm not the only one who thought that only made your post come across as immature and silly.

Maybe next time you try to make people realize how inferior they are to your obviously superior intelligence you should think it through first and just deal with the intel (just a suggestion).

Maybe you could reclaim some credibility by adding a few links to newspaper (local / national) reports that went with this idea or any other alternatives to terrorism ... or indeed any other references to support your theory.

Maybe you could mention the name(s) of any Universities in the area so that other posters can check them out for themselves.

Maybe you could tell us if any students were ever cautioned / charged in connection with this event ... because I'm pretty sure the military nor the police would have let them off with just a slap on the wrist for such a student stunt involving explosives so close to a naval base ... would they ?

Thanks in advance. Woody



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 07:23 AM
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Very interesting but I don’t believe what you have been told, I think the first part is feasible about the Al’Qa’ida bomb test in Loch Lomond however I think if it was conducted by terrorists then the government would have made a big deal out of it. Unless it was part of your faslane conspiracy and unfortunately I am pretty certain that didn’t happen.

Faslane is highly defended but the ministry of defence police and not by soldiers as your thread claims. This shows a inherent inaccuracy in your op that starts to cast questions of the reliability of your source, it would be 7 police officers killed rather than 7 soldiers killed as its the police that defend the base and are responsible for the defence of the domestic nuclear arsenal and defence of domestic bases on main the main land. The Ministry of Defence Police (MDP) is a bit like the UK’s secret special operations police force, one of their key responsibilities is the protection of the country’s nuclear deterrent. Al’Qa’ida would have quite a fight on their hands first of all they would have to fight through the MDP, who have SAS training, in fact they help assist in training the SAS at times. Every one of these police officers carries firearms, and they have specialist rapid response units and a massive marine unit all poised to respond to a attack against a nuclear facility.

Assuming Al’Qa’ida have got through the forces of the MDP they still have the trained soldiers inside the base to contend with. By now the alarm will have been raised, more MDP will probably already be on the scene along with the extra police form Strathclyde police but in addition to this the MoD will have mobilised the SAS and probably the SBS to Scotland to deal with the threat. By now the base is going to be “locked down” so to speak.

Even if they have by some miracle all survived this far now Al’Qa’ida have to get their hand on the nukes and let’s face it they are not going to be lying around they are locked away and hard to get to. If that isn’t bad enough a trident missile is not a small nuke, they are big and heavy so how do they get them out. well they don’t, if they try the forces outside the base are just going to kill them on the spot so they are going to have to take the nuclear weapons appear and then steal the nuclear material. This means that Al’Qa’ida have to have a individual capable of performing such a task and I highly doubt they have a nuclear weapons tech but hey let’s keep going with it. oh and your friend should also know that Faslane does not actually store nuclear weapons but let’s assume it does just for fun......

It’s going to take some time to take the weapons apart and in the time COBRA is going to have been in meeting. By now they know the terrorists have got inside the base and taken control of its inner sanctum were the nuclear weapons are housed. COBRA are probably aware that the terrorists by now know with the time it has taken them to get this far that the police have regrouped, probably with military assistance and they have no way out. Their only hope is to deconstruct the nuclear weapons and use the radioactive material to construct a dirty bomb, the COBRA are going to know about this. With this in mind COBRA are going to authorise Gold Command on the ground to fully hand over to the military soon as the SF units turn up they are going to storm the place before the terrorists have a chance to create a weapon or they will just send in anyone if the SF are not going to make it in time, probably 42 commando. In the end all the terrorists die and we have a massive press story.

So let’s look at some other problems with your friend’s story.

Well aside from the massive problem that the entire operation would have been impossible, as I said no nukes stored in faslane so the idea they would have stole nukes is right way proven to be rubbish, and the entire premise of this thread is gone. Also how does he know it was Al’Qa’ida why not say Irish republican groups or even a hostile government he could never have known it was Al’Qa’ida.

The media would have a field day as well if they found out about this, the SNP would love it because it would be the biggest boost to their independence campaigned they are ever going to get.

I could go on all day with this, with the massive inaccuracies in the tread I doubt your friend who stays in the peace camp told you about this. If he stayed in the peace camp he would have at least made it sound remotely believable and have known some basic things like no nukes at faslane and mentioned the MDP.

I can only conclude that you have made this up

The question now is why?



Oh and that is the other side of the coin btw.

edit on 26-6-2011 by OtherSideOfTheCoin because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 07:36 AM
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I just want to add this, If Al’Qa’ida were to ever try such a thing they would have this guy to contend with


www.youtube.com...
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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 08:08 AM
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seems the link doesn't work.

i tend to agree with your viewpoint on this.
there are several layers of security before one even gets to sniff a mirv casing.
an explosion 12 miles away would be pointless from a terrorist point of view. it would only facilitate
an increased observation perimeter and negate any further activities. all this would do would give
the ghillie suits a greater range of observation and remit.
i suspect high jinks from drunk camping students on this one rather than an organised group.
chinese whispers from peace camps i suspect after all what else is there to talk about.
any dubious activity near any nuke base or installation will be met with an immediate response
from those selected to defend such sites.
the loss of liberty and perpetual suspicion thereafter
should serve as a warning to those who think they can circumvent measures implemented
to guard these sites.
f



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 08:18 AM
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The convoys are just for warhead maintenance, re-examination/certification ect. But it doesn't mean every convoy you see is an actual warhead. Any component of a warhead has to be afforded the same care and protection, because they are highly classified. They're not going to send a fully operational warhead to travel the length of the country by road.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 08:38 AM
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I think if a source inside the base had disclosed this "grave news" to someone in Scottish CND, or Trident Ploughshares, that peace campaigners would've made much of the story. It should be flying high on the Scottish CND website, at least. Sadly, there's no mention of it there, nor on the Trident Ploughshares website. Given that the Scottish Government is vehemently opposed to the siting of these weapons in Scotland, you'd have expected someone ... anyone ... to have raised this issue by now.

Incidentally, Scottish CND don't mention any unusual activity at the base on the morning of 1st January 2011 either. It's an unusual date to choose for such a "mission", with Scots celebrating Hogmanay well into the small hours. Surely a member of the public would've noticed something amiss ... what with all this heightened activity ?

Or perhaps that's why the date was chosen, in the expectation that security would be lax, with the base security getting merry like everyone else ? I doubt that very much. A training exercise, to test base security ? Perhaps. But with a "shoot to kill" policy in operation at that base, I doubt they'd spring any surprises of that nature.

The only relevant result to a trawl of search engines with "stolen nuclear weapon faslane coulport" is this very thread. Giving the OP the benefit of the doubt, that might mean "the powers that be" are suppressing the story.

It's an interesting story though. Rather than damn the OP for falsehood, perhaps he/she might go back to his source & return with more information ?



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 08:40 AM
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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 09:15 AM
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LOL at this mad thread of lies. Nothing like this happend at all. What is the point of this scare mongering?



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 09:16 AM
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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 09:47 AM
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Saying that it's true, the break in and the assault and theft. How on Earth would the escape? If they didn't sneak in and out but killed soldiers there is no way they wouldn't have soldiers in hot pursuit the whole way. That is what would make this story (at least that they got away with anything, including their lives, but especially materials) not true.

Think about it.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 10:01 AM
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How do we know the woodsey explosion wasnt some ancient DND device or bunker thats a relic of ww1 or 2???
The Military or the security could have blame alciada for it?
Who can say at this point, it remains highly doubtful that the "mission" was a feasable one; or that it was carried out.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 01:30 PM
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People and Things of ATS, This entire thread was fabricated by me.I have built the story from
couple of true facts, my Intentions were not to make a fool of anyone, but to see just what exactly was attracted to this thread.

I would be very grateful to the staff at ATS if they could acknowledge whether this thread was targeted by high viewing traffic.

I made a thread previously that stated what i was going to do.

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I have no evidence from the type of posts made to my thread that the posters were nothing other than normal
ATS Posters. I thought i would string together many National Security keywords that I hoped would alert TPTB's web bots. Again I have no evidence that this has occurred. Maybe the staff can say Wether this thread was heavily trafficked or not.

Hope no -one is offended

Peace
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posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 01:38 PM
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So you wrote this because you were deliberately trying to trip ECHELON?

Then on the same thread you announce that the only reason you done this was to attract TPTB.

Why?



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 01:41 PM
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To see if they are truly monitoring us, or as is a possibility, we are
overestimating our importance in the grand scheme of things.
Maybe the powers at be are here , maybe not.

My point was to find out and I failed.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 01:47 PM
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I know I am still a on my freshmen at ATS but I have been a long time lurker and regular poster on many other websites. I also know quite a bit about ECHELON and I can tell you right now they probably didn’t give you a second glance.

From my days lurking and my brief membership I have noticed that allot of members have this delusion that they have uncovered the ultimate secret. But let’s face the truth, 99% of the stuff on ATS comes straight in from either the MSN or from personal opinions or YouTube videos that are impossible to verify.

I don’t think TPTB are too worried about what goes on at ATS as all you really do here is analyse and exaggerate what is already in the public domain. I would bet that if ATS was about during WWII we wouldn’t have had a clue about the existence of the Manhattan project.

We only know what “they” want us to know.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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