posted on Aug, 20 2004 @ 04:54 PM
AGAIN, THERE IS A LOT OF MISINFORMATION ABOUT "JEWS" AND "JUDAEA" ON THIS THREAD
The Ancient "Israelites" (benei Yisra'el) and Judaeans were a loosely mixed amphyctiony of orignally semi nomadic "Arabic" tribesmen to start
with or as the writer of Deuteronomy said about Abraham with whom they share paternity with the Arabs according to their own legends ("a Wandering
Syrian ready to starve was my father: a Canaanite was my mother!" already the creeds testify to mixed gentile blood) ; the "people of the Bible"
are now virtually extinct as a race thorugh miscenegenation with other races and people whom they later lived with after more than 8 crushing defeats
by powers stronger than the tiny mixed kingdoms of Israel and Judah (Assyria, Babylon, Persia, Greece, and finally Rome who in AD 70 destroyed the
country and in AD 136 "cleansed" the region of Palestine of its "jewish" inhabitants)...
Modern day Israelis who are living in "The modern Jewish State of Israel" are NON SEMITIC on the whole (i.e. 75%) being (racially) of mixed European
(non Semitic) Ashkenazi descent (The Khazarian Forced Conversion of more than 1 million Goyim "gentiles" to Judaeism in an area around Kiev in the
Ukraine between 780AD and AD 1000) and have more of a "land claim" to the area around present day Ukraine (that is, if you base any of their
specious Zionist claims purely on bloodline lineage) than they would have any legitimate claim to the West bank or Gaza, or the land of "Israel"
generally as it appears on the modern western map today.
Only "Jews" who are descended from the so-called "Mixed Sephardim Families" (mixed descendants of the socalled Israelitish tribes scattered all
over the world since before Rome destroyed Israel for the 2nd time in AD 136) and other scattered groups of mixed descendants (e.g. Yemenite Jews)
e.g. the very mixed and very black skinned Ethiopian Fallashas would have any tangible "Shemitic" blood connexion to claiming that part of the world
at all based on blood lines, and only tentatively at best --------considering 3,000 years of Sefardi and Fallasha miscegenation (interbreeding) with
the goyim (non Jews).
In point of fact, over 75% of Modern Israelis are of SLAVIC/EUROPEAN EXTRACTION and ARE NOT related by blood AT ALL to ANY of the varoius Israelitish
clans (whether you count 10 or 12 or 16, see the Song of Deborah which leaves out 4 including JUDAH and LEVI and adds 4 different ones like MACHIR and
GIDEON) that were in existence 3,000 years ago, and any argument supporting such land claims based on race or blood lines is fallacious.
People tend to use the word "Jew" very loosely today, especially in "dumbed down America" and most people do NOT know the origin of the word, nor
do they understand that 90% of people who call themselves "Jews" today (some 12 million persons, just a few less than the total number of Kurds in
the world) are descended from 9th century AD (non Semitic) Ashkenazim "converts" in present day Kiev (Ukraine) formerly the kingdom of
Khazaria---hemmed in as they were with Byzantine Christians fighting to the West and militant Muslims fighting from the East, the King of Khazaria
(renamed himself “Joseph”) converted to Judaeism in 780 AD (from solar paganism) because he wanted to steer a "Bava Metzia" ("middle gate")
between two warring entities.
For more than 200 years Khazaria was a propsperous "middle man" kingdom in negotiating trade (and war weapons, slaves etc.) between the two warring
Empires until "Christian"Moscow, tired of having a middle man selling weapons and materiel to both sides, came swooping down in the year 1003 AD and
destroyed Khazaria, sending 1 million NON SEMITIC OFTEN BLUE EYED Jewish converts westward in the direction of present day Lithuania, Poland, Latvia,
Hungary, Estonia, Germany, France, Italy, Spain, England and other places in Russia.
Even most Modern Day "Jews" are often under the delusion f that they are somehow blood related BY BLOOD to the Israelitish tribal clans...and are
therefore "chosen by their clan-god (YHWH) " in some magical way. This is racist nonsense and one would have to CONSIDER THE SOURCE FOR THE TEXTS
THAT STATE THIS RACIST IDEA OF ELECTION or "being CHOSEN" by some made up clan god (i.e. the Hebrew Scriptures written by "Jews" for other
"jews" making their own people and their own local clan god YHWH the "hero of the Universe" naturally)
The physical remnants of the so-called “Israelites” are called Sephardim (from the Hebrew for Spain: Sefard) and had been wandering abroad since
before Rome again destroyed the province of "Palestina" in 136 AD (during the 2nd Revolt against Rome under Shimeon Bar Kosiba ("Bar Kokhba")
which also failed.
It is estimated that 900,000 Palestinian born "Israelite descendants" were annhialiated between the two Wars of Rebellion against Rome (AD 70 and AD
136), virtually exterminating any "Israelite" blood-descendants.
One could say that anything closely related to "Israelite blood" in any one group of people today is virtually absent today: gone, extinct---yet
ironically the population that shows the GREATEST GENETIC AFFINITY to the ancient "Israelite" blood (if you read the modern Genetic Medical journals
this year) is....hang on to your hats.....the present day Palestinian population, who drew their own blood from the same blood genetic pools as the
ancient Israelitish clans !!
Maybe the modern day Israelis should think about that one (or read some of the latest modern Genetic Research journals now coming out in print!!)
And even if you were to locate a real, full blooded the "Israelite" you'd quickly discover that he/she is not in any way racially "pure" in terms
of being related to a single genetically related tribal group.
Don't forget that even David's grandmother "Ruth" was a NON JEW i.e. a Moabitess... and the Torah specifically states in words placed into the
Mouth of Moses (in late fake-Mosaic Hebrew however) :
NO MOABITE SHALL EVER ENTER THE CONGREGATION OF ISRAEL, NOT EVEN BEYOND THE 10th GENERATION, EVER...
The tribal clan chief ("king") David was a member of this mixed blood confederation of Judah, with all of his own Moabite blood mixed in, and thus
according to the torah could not even call himself an Israelite !!
As I mentioned above, oddly, the name of the (Tribes of) "Judah" (Greek: Iudoaios from whence the word JEW comes from) does not even occur in the
oldest writings in the Old Testament (e.g. the Song of Deborah) but seems to have been a large "fake tribe" which was later made up of smaller, less
politically powerful tribelets.
And its "fake" origin is also "made up" in the Bible to account for its political dominance after the fall of the 10 northern tribes in 721-701 BC
when Assyria attacked Palestine and annexed the Northern Kingdom.
Read WHO WROTE THE BIBLE? by Elliot Friedmann for a layman's backgrounder on the subject of the many layers that went into writing the Torah over 600
years and on the generalised subject of "HISTORY CAN BE MADE UP...IF YOU KNOW HOW... "
The socalled "Old Testament" (or Hebrew Bible) was not even set into recogniseable form until the time of Ezra in 480 BC -----long after the events
it purports to relate, and long after the "tribal confederation" of Yehudah had established dominance in Palestine (they survived the Assyrian
attacks to continue on politically until 587 BC).
As always, the "Winners" generally end up writing the "history books" as "history" shows...and they usually wind up by writing history in
"their favour.." and with the Winners coming out as Heroes.
The Tribes of Judah became the largest of the Tribes and were able to lord it over the others---and were responsible for most of the editing of the
material in the Old Testament:
Now, take a look at the very word : "Judah" which derives etymologically from the Heb. "Yehudah" (the legendary "4th son of Yakkov") but
actually refers to MORE THAN ONE TRIBELET in ancient times: the name derives from "Yad" meaning "hand" and the cognate "Yahad" meaning "tribal
joining of hands" i.e. an amphyctiony or tribal "confederation".
The Greek word "Iudaioi" ("judeans") from which we derive "Jew" from today, is the translated equivalent of Yehudah---i.e. the many tiny
unrelated tribelets that comprised Yehudah.
Even Michah 5:2 says "Bethlechem-Ephratha, you who are not the least among all the tribelets ("clans") of Judah... " so the tribe of Judah was not
ONE tribe but many. And Zechariah and others in the OT refer to the "clans" of Yehudah.
Notice the RACIALLY MIXED COMPOSITION of the CLANS OF JUDAH:
Kalebites (in the territory around Hebron; Josh. 14:13-15; Judg. 1:20), Kenites (in the area around Arad; Judg. 1:16), Kennizzites (in the environs of
Debir; Josh. 15:15-19; Judg. 1:11-15), Jerahmeelites, and Othnielites.
NB There is NO RACIAL PURITY AMONG EVEN THE ANCIENT TRIBELETS OF JUDAH (i.e. Iudaoio, ancient "Jews").
If you read the socalled SONG OF DEBORAH in Judges chapter 5:14-19 you will notice something rather strange: THE TRIBE OF JUDAH (YEHUDAH) IS
COMPLETELY MISSING FROM THE LIST OF 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL! (so is the tribe of Gad and the tribe of Levi)
The tribes mentioned are: Benjamin, Issachar, Zebulun, Reuben, Asher, Dan, Naphtali, & Ephraim---FOLLOWED BY FOUR UNKNOWN TRIBES (presumably to keep
the astrological number 12 in tact):
9. GILEAD (not one of the "big" 12 in the Torah, unless related to GAD)
10. MACHIR ( ??)
11. BARAK (??)
12. MEROZ (??)
So much for the so called 12 Tribes.
If you read the Book of Revelation chapter 12 (written during the 1st Jewish Revolt against Rome in AD 67-68) you'll notice Manasseh mentioned as a
full tribe and the Tribe of DAN completely missing altogether...
It is clear the ancient writers did not have a clear idea of their true history, but were trying to force the magic number 12 on the tradition by
whatever means necessary (12 being astrologically signficant, and related to an ancient prophecy that Abraham's sons would be as the Constellations
of Heaven...notice how Ishmael--legendary father of the Arabs--- also has 12 sons...)
Even as far back as the time of David on, the confederation of Judah had incorporated considerable numbers of gentile, non-Israelites, leading to an
alternation between pro-Canaanite, non-Yahwist religious policies on the part of some kings and the reversal of such policies in periodic religious
Adding to that was the fact that Palestine had been run over so many times by older, larger, more sophisticated Gentile nations (Assyria, Babylon,
Persia, Greece, Syria, Rome) whose soldiers and inhabiants were imported into the land and married into the local population, further eroding any
sense of tribal unity based on bloodline.
Witness the socalled Samaritan Schism in the north after 420 BC. which was based on blood differences as well as ritual separateness (i.e. Mount
Gerazim verses Mount Moriah, see the Gospel of John chapter 3)
Here is what the "Jewish Encyclopaedia" has to say on the subject (as a rounded overview from their own publishers)
"It is a common assumption, ineradicable even in the face of so much evidence to the contrary, that "Jews" today constitute a "race, a homogeneous
entity" that is easily recognizable....it should be clear that in the course of their formation as a people and a nation they had already assimilated
a variety of racial strains from people moving into the general area they once occupied. This had taken place by interbreeding and then by conversion
to Judaism of a considerable number of non semitic communities. . . .Thus, the diversity of the racial and genetic attributes of various Jewish
colonies of today renders any unified racial classification of them a contradiction in terms.
(Encyclopedia Judaica Jerusalem, 1971, vol. 3, p. 50).
So not only is the ancient Israelite ampohyctionies non-identifiable with any accuracy, even more so are those who call themselves their
"descendants" and therfore have some kind of "divine right" to the land of Israel.
Whatever National Borders the Community of Nations gave to the Nation of Israel in 1948 (following an understandable worldwide sympathy of the after
effects of the German Holocaust) should NEVER be regarded as somethning that has anything to do with made up Divine Promises in Israelite folklore
(i.e. the so called "bible"--).
Modern day illegal settlement building and other forms of illegal and immoral land-grabbing in "Israel" (e.g. permanently moving perimeter walls
deeper and deeper into the West Bank on some phony notion of national security) with the lame excuse that they are doing this because "GOD gave us
this land" purportedly based on some phony racial links to the "Israelites" (who made up most of their "glorious and divine" history 1000 years
after the events they relate---to judge from the evidence of modern archaelogy) has no place in the modern world and will only perpetuate the
slaughter of innocent lives which is now seemingly out of control in the region.