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We don't need laws. We already know the natural consequences of our actions.
We don't need to invent consequences or laws. When you don't have freedom, you walk a narrow path. You become narrow-minded and thus easier to control. You are manipulable and gullible. When you have freedom, you can walk anywhere. You are more open-minded and you don't need anyone to tell you how to live your life because it is YOUR path. If no one is telling you how to live your life, you won't be telling anyone how to live theirs either. The concept of judgment fades away.
The free life allows you to see things more clearly.
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You accept that everyone has free will and you respect it. You respect the choice of someone killing someone, but you also see that act for what it is. You see the pain that it causes and you make it your choice not to because you know that you shouldn't
When people are made free, hierarchies disappear.
The concepts of competition and greed fade away. When freedom is established, peace shows up more and more than it ever could. There won't be anarchy because the new found peace feels heavenly.
If you can have anything, you won't want anything. You will take only what you need.
Originally posted by UmbraSumus
]Originally posted by smithjustinb
We don't need laws. We already know the natural consequences of our actions.
Knowing the naturally consequences of our actions does not automatically stop us from acting, thats why society formally enacts such violations of social norms into criminal law.
Most of our behaviour is formed by the process of socialisation. You are viewing this solely from the perspective of a solitary individual . This ignores the glaring fact that we are social animals which inculcate `acceptable` behaviours, attitudes and beliefs which integrate us into social groups.
You accept that everyone has free will and you respect it. You respect the choice of someone killing someone, but you also see that act for what it is. You see the pain that it causes and you make it your choice not to because you know that you shouldn't
"you respect it"
Why do you presume that others will automatically respect your choices - you are being extremely naive Justin.
When people are made free, hierarchies disappear.
Can you give me an example of this ?
The concepts of competition and greed fade away. When freedom is established, peace shows up more and more than it ever could. There won't be anarchy because the new found peace feels heavenly.
To understand why we do what we do today, you have to look deep into our past, we are not suddenly going to begin behaving differently just because you wish it be so.
Originally posted by UmbraSumus
reply to post by smithjustinb
" With the law of freedom, control is illegal. "
Is this not a contradiction in terms.
Law:
The system of rules that a particular country or community recognizes as regulating the actions of its members and may enforce by the imposition of penalties
Freedom:
The power or right to act, speak, or think as one wantswithout hindrance or restraint.
Illegal:
forbidden by law or statute.
" With the law of freedom, control is illegal. "
Give some serious thought to that sentence - it is riddled with contradictions.
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You are just saying stuff that sounds nice without any real thought or consideration for the realities of life and the human condition.
Your wishes to see a more equitable society are commendable - but you deluded if you think we will suddenly no longer live in a world without competition etc.
You should examine those aspects of human behaviour which you abbhor and ask yourself why do they exist ? Until you understand this there is no hope of changing or at least modifying such behaviour.
We may have better fortunes cultivating an attitude in society that utilises humans innate competitive spirit for the betterment of mankind. etc.
Originally posted by JustStop
OP,
What exactly is it about freedom of expression that you feel so restricted about? you want to drive as if you're in a video game, without regarding the fact that other drivers will be doing the same, older drivers, younger drivers, stupid drivers, reckless drivers. You think you'll be able to spot some lunatic that can't brake coming up to a stop light while driving 70 toward it, while you're on the street about to cross it perpendicularly, going whatever grand-theft-auto speed limit you like?
What if it was your mother or father, brother or sister.. lover or whoever that was driving and got killed by someone technically following your law?
I mean, are these the ruminations of a pissed off young kid or is this intentionally being ignorant of the real world?
Take into consideration the diversity of the economy that runs this nation. Do you really think people are gonna be teaching our kids, or ourselves, if no one is going to pay them? What kind of a monetary system do you imagine in your so called "true freedom". Who do you expect is going to farm the food, raise the livestock, that gets processed and put into our mouths every single day? Not people who have the freedom to do whatever the hell they want ( I'd imagine a farming community or estate would quit depending on an economy that doesn't exist and just raise enough food for themselves -- they'd still be in good shape, we'd be screwed).
To enact "True Freedom", you'd have to change the setting. What would we do with all the buildings in the cities? House people? Maybe. Who would feed them? I can tell you that 200 million americans (very rough estimate) aren't gonna just pick up their bags and change their lives, seed potatoes in public parks.
You would have to place it on another planet altogether because this one is over-populated, over-industrialized for your ideal.
On another note, what do you expect to do with the mentally ill or the sick, the dieing... How do your doctors get paid to treat their patients? Corn?... Who will be diagnosing the ill? What about the psychotic?
I do apologize if I offend anyone, but the notion of "True Freedom" as described is narrow minded. If you can imagine Total Control and Total Freedom being on a continuum because they actually are, you need to be somewhere close to the middle to achieve some kind of a balance, which is the most productive way the live in most aspects of life.edit on 26-6-2011 by JustStop because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by smithjustinb
All the law of freedom does is allow us to be what God intended us to be rather than what nations intended us to be. God's plan is greater than man's plan I assure you.
Originally posted by UmbraSumus
Originally posted by smithjustinb
All the law of freedom does is allow us to be what God intended us to be rather than what nations intended us to be. God's plan is greater than man's plan I assure you.
And which `god` might that be ?
What is god`s plan for me ?
Originally posted by UmbraSumus
reply to post by smithjustinb
I give up .....smithjustinb.
I can see what you are trying to say , but you made no attempt to grasp what I was trying to elucidate for you.
All the best .
Umbra Sumus.
Originally posted by JustStop
Originally posted by UmbraSumus
reply to post by smithjustinb
I give up .....smithjustinb.
I can see what you are trying to say , but you made no attempt to grasp what I was trying to elucidate for you.
All the best .
Umbra Sumus.
I share the same sentiment. OP hasn't put thought into any of this.