A Catalyst for A Paradigm Shift.

Our ONE and ONLY necessary law is TRUE freedom.

We think we as American's are free because we are democratic capitalists.

TRUE freedom happens when everything is free and there are no restrictions on creative expression. Then the social hierarchies break down and there is no more rebellion and no more greed.

Socialism? No! Humanity-ism.

Freedom is not allowed because we don't have faith in ourselves to be free. We think if humans were allowed true freedom, we would destroy everything ceaselessly.

If you think we're free here in America you are way wrong.

As long as there's someone in charge writing laws, you will never be free. The only law should be freedom.

And believe it or not, it is a strict law and is challenging even for someone who isn't high up in the governmental hierarchy to respect. Allowing freedom is an effort that goes deeper than simply not having laws.

We have two arms, and if you break someone's arm in a fight, well you have restricted their freedom of expression, and you broke the law. When you tell someone what to do, you have restricted that person's freedom of creative expression to conform to your selfish ideal. You just broke THE law. When you lock your dog in a cage, you break the law.

What about things that aren't covered here under the law of freedom like theft? Well maybe theft is a reaction to an oppressive society. In a world where everything is free, who would steal? In this way, theft is an illusion.

You might say, "If I let my child do whatever he/she wants, there would be anarchy and mayhem", but perhaps the child's choice to be destructive when allowed freedom is a rebellious reaction to oppressive parents?? Perhaps they are naturally, and illogically destructive. In this case, the law of freedom might need a slight suspension for disciplinary reasons until that child is old enough to make logical decisions with their freedom on his/her own.

In any case, you might think you're free here but you're not even close. When's the last time you went the speed limit in fear of being issued a ticket when you knew you could successfully and safely navigate that road at a much higher speed. If you counted all the time you would have saved at the end of your life had you not gone the speed LIMIT, you would have had much more opportunities to be productive and thus improve your quality of life. This is just one simple example of how restrictions and laws are keeping us from our potential and how we are not truly free whether you would accept that notion or not. There are many examples and you can ponder them yourself, and post them here if you think of one.

Freedom just might be the Rosetta Stone that could send our world into an age of peace and prosperity.

If we were allowed our God given right to true freedom, things would be better.

Sometimes we need boudaries to tell us whats right and wrong. Laws are politicians way of saying we do/don't apporve of this. In the end, we aren't free. Be glad you'r living in the US and not China or other corrupt countries.

Here's a call for true freedom:

"The time is near which men must decide whether they are to be free men or slaves. We must be willing to fight for our freedom. Since most men are not truly free, they are slaves to material wealth, addiction, the law, the media, and the judgement of others. We fight not to enslave, but to set all man free, and to make room upon the earth upon the earth for honest men to live and love. We, and all others who believe in freedom as deeply as we do would rather die on feet standing than live on our knees. So as long as people don't wish to excersise their freedom, those who wish to tyrannize will do so, for tyrants stay motivated and active, and will devote themselves to put chains on the sleeping men for personal gain. Except once the people learn the power of love and unity, they will realize there is no man or obstacle that can be overcome. And as we all unite as one under love, we shall truly create heaven upon earth, for it has always been the destiny of men to live free as co-creators of their reality."

~Fearless Freedom Fighters

I also wish to to bring awareness to people about true freedom, and have all freedom fighters unite to awaken and show everyone how free and beautiful life can be. People are chained to their current beliefs/ways and I hope to find ways we can bring awareness to everyone around the world about the true freedom you described!

Originally posted by Warpthal
Sometimes we need boudaries to tell us whats right and wrong. Laws are politicians way of saying we do/don't apporve of this. In the end, we aren't free. Be glad you'r living in the US and not China or other corrupt countries.

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I don't need rules or laws. What are they anyway? They exist mostly in our subconscious. Civilized humans learn the rules at an early age and they choose a path that obeys most of them. The problem is, these aren't your rules. These are the government's rules, and you're on their path.

The law of freedom enables your sovereign creative potential and allows you to walk your own path and learn from your own mistakes. You learn what's right and what's wrong along the way. Even the rules don't teach you what's right or wrong. So in that essence, they also keep us ignorant.

Real choices have real consequences, and jail time is an artificial consequence that interferes with the teaching process of the real consequences.

Freedom is a word.

Nature and the animal kingdom are the only truly free beings on earth.

First they don't have a concept of oppression. They live in natural harmony with nature.
Yes, this means inflicting death and being killed.
Part of the natural cycle.
Are we above that?

Obviously not!!!

The more we try to achieve freedom the more we destroy ourselves.

You can't gain freedom.

We are already free because we and a few others species have the concept of death and
the ultimate decision on weather to live or die by our own hand.

This is why my signature is follow your bliss.
If all beings follow their bliss we would be in perfect harmony. Don't let fear into the equation.

Originally posted by kbriggss
Freedom is a word.

Nature and the animal kingdom are the only truly free beings on earth.

First they don't have a concept of oppression. They live in natural harmony with nature.
Yes, this means inflicting death and being killed.
Part of the natural cycle.
Are we above that?

Obviously not!!!

The more we try to achieve freedom the more we destroy ourselves.

You can't gain freedom.

We are already free because we and a few others species have the concept of death and
the ultimate decision on weather to live or die by our own hand.

This is why my signature is follow your bliss.
If all beings follow their bliss we would be in perfect harmony. Don't let fear into the equation.

I do agree that we are already free and that's exactly why I see the evil in any system that would try to suppress our freedom in any way. We're not living up to our potential because our parents were deceived and raised as slaves to the system and have led us to believe that the system is perfect. If we all can become aware of the obvious attack on our true selves, we might could become our true selves once again and not the puppets helping the elite few who own the world.

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I do agree that we are already free and that's exactly why I see the evil in any system that would try to suppress our freedom in any way. We're not living up to our potential because our parents were deceived and raised as slaves to the system and have led us to believe that the system is perfect. If we all can become aware of the obvious attack on our true selves, we might could become our true selves once again and not the puppets helping the elite few who own the world.

This system you speak of is ours, human nature. Don't resist it.

You can only change yourself and your own perception.

Freedom doesn't matter when your living in the present and realizing the rewards of this existence.

All words that I myself have trouble living by.

Originally posted by kbriggss
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I do agree that we are already free and that's exactly why I see the evil in any system that would try to suppress our freedom in any way. We're not living up to our potential because our parents were deceived and raised as slaves to the system and have led us to believe that the system is perfect. If we all can become aware of the obvious attack on our true selves, we might could become our true selves once again and not the puppets helping the elite few who own the world.

This system you speak of is ours, human nature. Don't resist it.

You can only change yourself and your own perception.

Freedom doesn't matter when your living in the present and realizing the rewards of this existence.

All words that I myself have trouble living by.

I know you know the key to joy. The reason you have trouble living by those words is mainly because of the influence on the higher power of the system. We are influenced in many aspects that we are generally unaware of. The reason freedom matters is because our way of life could be more conducive to more prominent and lasting joyous living conditions.

Freedom is necessary for the well being and growth of individuals and societies at large. I really enjoyed this argument;

"You might say, "If I let my child do whatever he/she wants, there would be anarchy and mayhem", but perhaps the child's choice to be destructive when allowed freedom is a rebellious reaction to oppressive parents??"

But I do believe certain laws or rules should be supplemented with that Freedom.

"Do as thy wilt shall be the whole of the Law." - Aleister Crowley

When we look all around at nature there are laws, restrictions, boundaries, and balances. Laws of physic such as gravity... the processes in which cells grow... you get what I'm saying. In this, we see that creation works through rules, laws, and restrictions. For anything to develop out of balance is to travel towards destruction.

What would you say about a rapist? He expressed his freedom to rape. Is he wrong? May I express my freedom to seek out the rapist and murder him? Am I wrong? Do you think this will establish a society of criminals, vigilantes, and victims? Would this not simply create a 'dog eat dog world' of the survival of the fittest? How then would we factor in compassion, understanding, or equality if nothing we do is restricted or looked down upon?

We need darkness to understand light. We need rules to protect and help the weak. I believe that most governments have crossed the line of freedom versus tyranny. Although extremely enlightening, I do not believe Aleister Crowley has the right system to lead a world united under Love.

Originally posted by Sahabi
Freedom is necessary for the well being and growth of individuals and societies at large. I really enjoyed this argument;

"You might say, "If I let my child do whatever he/she wants, there would be anarchy and mayhem", but perhaps the child's choice to be destructive when allowed freedom is a rebellious reaction to oppressive parents??"

When we look all around at nature there are laws, restrictions, boundaries, and balances. Laws of physic such as gravity... the processes in which cells grow... you get what I'm saying. In this, we see that creation works through rules, laws, and restrictions. For anything to develop out of balance is to travel towards destruction.

Exactly. There are natural laws already in place, and we are nature. So what gives us a right to make any up extra laws. It is going against the supreme will of the creator or if you don't believe in a creator, then it is going against the laws of the creative force.

What would you say about a rapist? He expressed his freedom to rape. Is he wrong? May I express my freedom to seek out the rapist and murder him? Am I wrong? Do you think this will establish a society of criminals, vigilantes, and victims? Would this not simply create a 'dog eat dog world' of the survival of the fittest? How then would we factor in compassion, understanding, or equality if nothing we do is restricted or looked down upon?

No. Understand that allowing freedom goes deeper than doing away with laws. The law states that you have to allow freedom of expression. Since we are an expression or "image" of the creator, (or creative forces), then the way we naturally express ourselves is through creativity. If you commit an act that limits the freedom of creative expression of someone, you violate the law of freedom. Due to the psychological upheavals generated by rape, I believe this constitutes as a violation of the victim's free will.

Under the law of freedom, everything is allowed to be free, and that includes goods and services. After the law is brought into action, everyone (if they want to live certain lifestyles) will have a sense of responsibility and will willingly work to create that which they desire. If they don't, then things might disappear. Recognizing this, you know you have a duty and you choose to go to work. However, there are currently certain jobs that people do that they would not normally willingly do but do them because they pay well. When everything becomes free, unsanitary or dangerous things like waste management, and mining become neglected. These are obviously essential to our way of life, so I propose that in order to maintain this lifestyle, it would be necessary to violate the free will of those who have violated the one law of freedom and force them to work in these undesirable conditions as punishment. I have never agreed with the current justice system of "life in prison"** and think this would effectively serve as an much better and more effective alternative to a means of punishment.

**People seek forgiveness from their creator for the crimes that they commit, and when the creator forgives them, they might be still stuck in jail for the rest of their life.

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So you explaining, whatever you think is right and wrong is really right and wrong?

Originally posted by Warpthal
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So you explaining, whatever you think is right and wrong is really right and wrong?

Please elaborate.

Are you saying I'm saying perception is reality? I'm not sure where you're going with this or what this has to do with what I'm saying.

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Human beings are dependent on a whole host of things to survive - to successfully meet these needs we have had to structure our world . There is no escaping that.

Originally posted by UmbraSumus
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Human beings are dependent on a whole host of things to survive - to successfully meet these needs we have had to structure our world . There is no escaping that.

There is already structure in our world w/o man-made laws.

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Just recently (I believe its over the past 5 years) mankind for the first time in human history has a greater proportion of people living in urban areas than rural areas. With such high densities of humans and the inherent levels of social complexity that come with it, rules/laws etc. are necessary to ensure some semblance of order.

All social animals have rules to regulate their social group. Why would we be any different ?

Originally posted by UmbraSumus
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Just recently (I believe its over the past 5 years) mankind for the first time in human history has a greater proportion of people living in urban areas than rural areas. With such high densities of humans and the inherent levels of social complexity that come with it, rules/laws etc. are necessary to ensure some semblance of order.

All social animals have rules to regulate their social group. Why would we be any different ?

There doesn't have to be designated order for their to be order. I believe we are capable of naturally assuming orderly roles in society w/o governance and restrictions.

Originally posted by smithjustinb

There doesn't have to be designated order for their to be order. I believe we are capable of naturally assuming orderly roles in society w/o governance and restrictions.

It is still for the most part learned behaviour inculcated over time. Why deny our ability to share concepts and organise our society.

w/o governance and restrictions ? We can strive towards reducing governance and restrictions but I don`t believe we will ever eradicate them.


What is the source of your inspiration for this thread ?

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No, I stated awareness is the ability to be conscience. We live most our lives learning by being conscience.

Originally posted by UmbraSumus

Originally posted by smithjustinb

There doesn't have to be designated order for their to be order. I believe we are capable of naturally assuming orderly roles in society w/o governance and restrictions.

It is still for the most part learned behaviour inculcated over time. Why deny our ability to share concepts and organise our society.

w/o governance and restrictions ? We can strive towards reducing governance and restrictions but I don`t believe we will ever eradicate them.


What is the source of your inspiration for this thread ?

The reason I wrote this thread is to make people aware that their free will is restricted and if it were not, we could all be enjoying a much better quality of life. When our freedom is limited, our creative expression is limited and therefore we aren't living up to our potential.

Originally posted by smithjustinb

The reason I wrote this thread is to make people aware that their free will is restricted and if it were not, we could all be enjoying a much better quality of life. When our freedom is limited, our creative expression is limited and therefore we aren't living up to our potential.

The reason I asked what your inspiration for writing the thread was to better understand what you base your thoughts on i.e what are you reading etc.

I have to disagree with your assumption that if there weren`t any restrictions on an individuals expression of free will - that the collective quality of life of the masses would improve.

An individual acting upon their every whim and doing what they please is a recipe for anarchy and social breakdown.

What you propose is a beautiful noble imagining of how it might be , but alas it is divorced from the reality of human civilisation.

The regulations governing human social interaction etc.did not appear suddenly fully formed - they instead evolved over time, increasing in complexity to meet the burgeoning needs of larger social groups outside of blood relatives . (trade played an enormous role in this imho)

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