Originally posted by Paulioetc15
I guess this French president is mad because he cannot believe what Gates said is right. Who pay most for NATO? It's the USA. We always do the dirty
work than other nations don't want to do(Kosovo war, Vietnam, Gulf war) then ended up getting loads of abuse by the same countries they refuse to take
the lead. How many missions would the French fly if it wasn't for US in flight refueling, command and control, munitions and the US destruction of
Libya's air defenses? Go ahead, Sarkozy and tell me again how France is doing the heavy lifting.
And now he lashed us for playing a small role in Libya? No wonder why NATO is falling apart so badly. And no way we are going to take a lead again.
This war in Libya is so poorly planned to being with. Not to mention that NATO offcials admit that air-power alone wasn't going to help.
i agree USA should leave NATO once and for all and fix our country before helping out. We sacrificed long enough already.
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edit on 24-6-2011 by Paulioetc15 because: (no reason given)
I concur. The Cold War is over, and it's long past time to disband NATO, which is a Cold War relic (much like myself
) whose time is long over.
NATO has no place in a post Soviet world, since "the red menace" was their entire reason for being to begin with, and an abject fear of Soviet tanks
pouring through the Fulda Gap.
Now, the US, even in a support role for the fighting in Libya, is just as guilty as the rest. In legalese, they call that "accesory", and you'll go to
jail same as the primary. By acting in a support role, we are faciltating meddling in internal Libyan affairs, and unless and until Libya decides to
attack outside their own border, it will CONTINUE to be Libya's own internal business. No difference to my mind between what we are doing there, and
the hypothetical "what if..." Libya had decided to start bombing the US because they didn't like the outcome of the "hanging chads" election of 2000.
That was OUR internal business, and current events in Libya is THEIRS.
Of course, I didn't agree with getting NATO involved in the US Afghan War, either, and I REALLY didn't agree with inviting them to the Iraq War, since
I don't think the US should have been there, either. Afghanistan was a different matter. That is the US's war, and unless other NATO countries came
under the gun (which UK and Spain did, and possibly France, depending on how one views things) they have no business fighting in other folk's wars.
I'll be the first to admit that I spent a chunk of my mis-spent youth fighting in other folk's wars, but that's how I come by that opinion -
experience. I never fought in one that I thought was wrong, and I always felt I had some sort of stake in the ones I did attend to, however tenuous,
but in toto I learned a hard lesson about involving one's self in the affairs of others.
These days, if some one wants to pick a fight, I'm perfectly content to let them fight their own damn wars - unless the fight they pick is with me.
I'm not a pacifist by any stretch of the imagination, but application is everything.
And yeah, I think without the US in a support role - and footing the bulk of the bill for this action - then France, et al would be dead in the water.
The operative word there is "dead" at this stage in the game. So, if they want to whine about what a small role the US is taking, I vote that we stop
ALL support for the effort, and completely END our role, and see how well they like going it in the rough.
In all honesty, I still think we should never have jumped into it to begin with, and said so before the jump, when everyone else was clamoring to
"help those poor Libyan Freedom Fighters".
Pfft. They don't seem to realize what a can of worms they've opened with that, but they're STILL backpedalling as hard as they can go to distance
themselves from it.
Just my 2 francs.
edit on 2011/6/24 by nenothtu because: (no reason given)