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Japanese pop sensation not a real person.

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posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 08:20 AM
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And the porn industry....... Good God, think of the possibilities


You're a bad influence, I have to get back on track.





posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 08:21 AM
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Do you have any reliable studies to back up this claim or are you speaking from personal experience? If it's the former, I'd really like to see them. It would mean that my daughter is an absolute genius for recognizing that Spongebob and Woody were not real "people" when she was 7 years old.



but before 7 she did think these characters were real? so really, i dont need to bother searching for some link to studies on children.. because you seem to have answered my point...

btw i was talking about toddlers and children below 5, but 7 that makes my point even more valid...



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 08:29 AM
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Thank you for clarifying the concept part of this. Yes, the concept is the same but you seem to be putting more emphasis on that than you should in my opinion because yes, the technology has changed. That is where the emphasis should be put because of the possible ramifications.

What kind of damaging consequences can come out of Elmer Fudd, an obvious cartoon, unless he wants to go on an urban safari and kill everything in his path because he can't get that damn BUNNY!. Even if he does, it's still an obvious cartoon that people, even kids, can discern is not real.

The technology that has changed has really upped the ante as to what can go right or wrong.





posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 08:33 AM
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The people that were fooled in Japan were not 5 years old. They were adults like you and me. And of course a toddler is not going to know the difference between fiction and reality because they don't even understand the concept of either one yet.






posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 08:37 AM
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Fiction is starting to come true. Some time ago William Gibson wrote a book about this kind of thing...

Idoru - by William Gibson

One of the main characters of the book "Idoru" is a CGI rock star - who happens to be engaged to living, breathing rock star..



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 08:46 AM
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Originally posted by Frogs
Fiction is starting to come true. Some time ago William Gibson wrote a book about this kind of thing...

Idoru - by William Gibson

One of the main characters of the book "Idoru" is a CGI rock star - who happens to be engaged to living, breathing rock star..


I guess this also raises the question of how much of what we create, do we become? Is there going to come a day when no one will be able to discern from what is real and what is not because of this technology?

Again, project Bluebeam.




posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 08:58 AM
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Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
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Are you advertising your project?

Those are cartoon characters, and yes, I watched cartoons when I was younger. I wouldn't go so far as to say that I idolized Elmer Fudd though. I knew he wasn't real because it was obvious, what happened in Japan was that some people got together and decided it was a good idea to intentionally deceive people into thinking that a CGI was real for the purpose of........who knows what?

And it worked.


edit on 24-6-2011 by Taupin Desciple because: (no reason given)


Who thought she was real? Did you watch the video? Did she look like a real person to you?



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 09:00 AM
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I think it's interesting from a technical view. From a personal standpoint, imagine all the actors being digital. No more paparazzi issues, no more stalkings etc. Actors could lend a voice much like CGI films for a composite. Yes it could put them out of work, but there's that whole Uncanny Valley thing that most people will have difficulty accepting and would still prefer a living flesh and blood actor. Much like anything else the tech could be used for ill purpose. But it is amazing what can be done now.

Emily from 2008




posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 09:12 AM
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Taupin Desciple is correct to be freaked about that kind of deception on a large scale...and that's believable human simulation 1.0!!! How easy will it be to fool people worldwide with 2.0+.???

That having been said...REALLY?!?! Your 46 year old's social ignorance would lead you state that you suspect Misterlondon is the creator of Gorillaz, because he used them as an example of an ANIMATED (computer, or otherwise) pop act in his argument?!?!?!?!

WOW.

I just lost an IQ point attempting to absorb that little nugget of idiocy.


That was the worst debate rebuttal I've ever been exposed to.



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 09:21 AM
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Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
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The people that were fooled in Japan were not 5 years old. They were adults like you and me. And of course a toddler is not going to know the difference between fiction and reality because they don't even understand the concept of either one yet.





your starting to contradict yourself... first you say children know the difference between fiction and reality.. now you say the cant understand the concept.. which was precisely my point.. (which you asked me to prove)

and im pretty sure that japanese adults can tell the difference between that cgi character dancing on stage and a real person..

do you have proof that people in japan believe this to be a real person? i can understand the confusion if someone only heard the music (on radio) without seeing the character, but once the character has been seen, as you say every adult on this planet should be able to see its not real...
(people also though gorillaz were real at the very beginning)

anyway it doesnt even look real.. it does look like an japanese cartoon character in 3D holographic form.. so i honestly cant believe this claim..



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 09:25 AM
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OMG a composite video!!!!! How can we stand for this. The poor Japanese people are going to be enslaved because someone knows their way around after effects!!!! We need to do something.



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 09:31 AM
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Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
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And the porn industry....... Good God, think of the possibilities


You're a bad influence, I have to get back on track.



Take a deep breath and calm down. Virtual porn is old news. I cannot even link the stuff out there on ATS but that is old news. The "pop star" is not a fake person. She is a video. She is a special effects video. The composite girl is not walking around handing out leaflets. She is not going door to door. She does not exist outside a 2 dimensional series of images. The other example looks like a friggin cartoon character for crying out loud. How stupid do you think the Japanese people are? Did't they come up with this crap in the first place?
I cannot believe anyone has such a nice life that they even have one bit of energy to put into being afraid of a composite video and a cartoon.



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 09:34 AM
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What kind of damaging consequences can come out of Elmer Fudd, an obvious cartoon, unless he wants to go on an urban safari and kill everything in his path because he can't get that damn BUNNY!. Even if he does, it's still an obvious cartoon that people, even kids, can discern is not real.


and what kind of concequences can come out of a cgi character dancing on stage?

and dont start with the bluebeam thing, because if i saw that in the street, i would just laugh.

if the whole bluebeam conspiracy is to be believed, i can assure you the technology they would have to make holographic projections of eg.. aliens attacking.. it would blow this crappy hologram out of the water..



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 09:45 AM
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Originally posted by Youmakemewonder

Originally posted by Taupin Desciple
reply to post by Misterlondon
 


Are you advertising your project?

Those are cartoon characters, and yes, I watched cartoons when I was younger. I wouldn't go so far as to say that I idolized Elmer Fudd though. I knew he wasn't real because it was obvious, what happened in Japan was that some people got together and decided it was a good idea to intentionally deceive people into thinking that a CGI was real for the purpose of........who knows what?

And it worked.


edit on 24-6-2011 by Taupin Desciple because: (no reason given)


Who thought she was real? Did you watch the video? Did she look like a real person to you?


Yes, I watched the video and yes, she looked and acted just as real as the 6 other real people that she was made from. She even blinked for Christ sake.




posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 10:13 AM
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Originally posted by RoswellCityLimits
Taupin Desciple is correct to be freaked about that kind of deception on a large scale...and that's believable human simulation 1.0!!! How easy will it be to fool people worldwide with 2.0+.???

That having been said...REALLY?!?! Your 46 year old's social ignorance would lead you state that you suspect Misterlondon is the creator of Gorillaz, because he used them as an example of an ANIMATED (computer, or otherwise) pop act in his argument?!?!?!?!

WOW.

I just lost an IQ point attempting to absorb that little nugget of idiocy.


That was the worst debate rebuttal I've ever been exposed to.


The animation with the Gorillaz and the animation used in the story in question are worlds apart, which led me to believe that it could not be a valid argument on his part because of the vast difference in the realism in both of them which was the basis of that particular argument. The only thing about his argument that made sense to me was that it was a cheap plug. I was just trying to deny ignorance there.

I recently wrote up a 1,000 world article about virtual real estate games such as Entropia and how they have made a handful of people a boatload of REAL money. I know what's out there and what today's graphics and imaging are capable of. Just because I don't participate in it or get the information as quickly as some people do doesn't make me socially ignorant.

Somebody of my generation is not going to understand something on the same level as someone growing up right now. It would be foolish to think that could happen. We can understand the same thing on a theory level, but not on the actual "practice" level. My actual skill level with this sort of thing is still relegated to Pong and Pac-Man, even though I understand the concept of the new technology. Parts of this this generation have probably never even heard of Pong, and if they did, they would think that I was some sort of caveman out of a Geico commercial.

If you look at it that way, both generations are socially ignorant of each other.



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 10:38 AM
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Look, I don't think we're ever going to agree on what looks real and what doesn't as far as animation is concerned, so I'm not even going to go there anymore even though this was a quote from the article that I posted:

"According to the Singularity Hub, Eguchi's unveiling shocked those fans who had been defending her humanity."

Even though we're on different sides of the fence here, you come across as intelligent in the way you present your point of view, so why don't we try coming at this from a different angle. Gorillaz was conceived 13 years ago while Aimi Eguci is a very recent "animation." You do see the difference in the technology between then and now right? Even if you don't think she looks real, there was a good deal of Japanese people who did and were actually shocked that she wasn't.

If I were to have told you 13 years ago that this sort of thing was going to take place, you would have laughed at me much the same way as you're laughing at the Bluebeam reference. When Mickey Mouse first came out it was looked at like it was this amazing technology. And at the time it was. Nobody would have thought back then that we would have advanced this technology this far, much the same way that some people today don't think that holographic images so real that they could fool millions of people, will ever be real.

Never say never is my point.




posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 02:09 PM
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My daughter thought the hologram dancing on stage was awesome..we both would love to attend one of the concerts... and my kids grew up loving gorillaz. I am a huge fan of animation in all its forms and at no point past about 3 years old did my kids think that any of the cartoons they saw on television were real, especially once I explained to them how ink and paint can be brought to life. Hell...they even doubt the validity of some of todays flesh and blood entertainers and I dont blame them. I totally agree with the poster who mentioned Gaga. New technology can be frightening and when motion pictures were introduced I bet that there were those who looked on with a wary eye, wondering what the potentially negative applications could be. And sure enough, they have been both boon and bane. Bottom line its what you make of it.



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 05:30 PM
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Originally posted by TechUnique
Obama goggles anyone?



This technology has been available for a while, imagine the potential for it politically!

Program your perfect presidential candidate based on a national profile of the population made extremely easy through the use of social networking sites such as Facebook.
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My main thought is all the elite hide in bunkers, comet on the way... all replaced by virtuals so we think they are campaigning and traveling and showing at big functions. All we have to trust for it is TV news and Internet.



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 07:29 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
Lady Gaga, Justin Beiber.

Those two CAN'T be real.




In a way I think you are actually correct.

The Gorillaz comparison doesn't really fit, because the cartoony style is obviously just that, a cartoon. And also the fact that everyone knows who is in the band. I do find the Japanese thing a little disturbing.

The Japanese are obviously a little more obsessed with technology than some other cultures and countries. Isn't there a big push over there to make super realistic looking human robots? Again, disturbing.



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 09:21 PM
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I heard about this a while ago and actually saw a presentation from a classmate (I study music business) The band let the fans write music and lyrics and even decide elements of the stage show. It must be a weird gig tho as th cgi is inserted afterwards tho! Pretty interesting, can not see it catching on over in the west though!



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