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Obama supporters have become silent!

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posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 12:33 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012

I can tell you that Mitt Romney isn't losing any sleep over the threat of Ron Paul.

Ron Paul was born in August 1935. That makes him 75 years old!
He also wants to shut down the Federal Reserve.



We want change but Ron Paul is too far out there.


So you think Mitt Romney is a good alternative to Obama, but Ron Paul is 'too far out there'?

I thought ol Mittens was too socialisty for you ?




posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 12:36 PM
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Originally posted by gentledissident
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I was thinking, "What is Obama going to to to get re-elected? Even the people who voted for him want a refund." Shortly after I have this thought, OBL is reported to have been killed. AH, that's what he's going to do. ABC aired the old fake OBL confession tape while shaking their talking heads. Video aired of people dancing in the street. I think everyone woke up when they realized we'll never see the body. The whole situation made me feel we were being manipulated. That's when I joined ATS.


Who the Republicans come up with as a candidate has far more influence over my vote than anything done to anyone else in any other country. Glad to see the Repubs are already just bracing for a loss instead of trying for a win.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 12:39 PM
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Originally posted by MarksThoughts
I work in the legal field for a large corporation. Every single day I see the lengths that the company has to go to meet and comply with regulations, to work to not run afoul of some financial, tax, or business regulation. Amazingly, much of this runs in circles and is so complex that it defies logic, contradicts itself, and more. I've seen where the company can simply call an expense or a payment something different, just to comply with a tax code section buried deep in the 78,000 pages, and come out millions ahead. There are literally armies of tax attorneys who live their lives in the tax code to do just that.
What are we thinking? We have huge corporations that can afford to hire the attorneys and end up paying little or nothing in actual taxes while the smaller companies, often family owned, can hardly get by and end up paying the bulk of the actual taxes. These are the 'rich' that democrats are actually targeting, whether they realize it or not. It is not tax cheats nor the richest and largest corporations that 'help' write the tax code they use to avoid the taxes.
And what have we heard since Obama took office? We need more taxes on the rich. We need more regulations to keep the evil corporate world from soaking us. We need more limits on drilling our own oil, our own natural gas, our own resources. We need more limits on carbon, so shut down the coal plants. We have a serious issue with nuclear power and the risks. We can't have windfarms in my county, they'll kill the bats, or birds, or something or they are just not aesthetic.
My absolute belief is that the democrats and liberals want the USA to go bankrupt, to fall into chaos or sink into Third World status. They want to be seen as the saviours of the people and come to our 'rescue' with a communist or socialist new government, with a new constitution they get to write, and likely already have written.
Well, guess what. If it comes down to it. I will lay down my life and what little treasure I may have left and fight for the current constitution against all comers. It's not perfect, but it is a sure bet that it is better than anything a Harry Reid or Nancy Pelosi or Barack Obama could possibly come up with.



Oh, haven't you heard?
Their - Master Plan - is coming from George Soros.
It's a single sheet of paper with 5 words on it.
-- The Iron Fist of Socialism --

Paul Krugman already gave us a sneak peek.
- Death Panels - to cut down on health care costs.
- Value Added Tax - to support even more government spending

Have the U.S. Government grow the economy NOT the private sector.
---- Another clue from Glenn Beck : Green is the new Red. ---- Get it ?


Obama supporters have become silent because they can see the Master Plan falling apart.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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Originally posted by Kitilani
. Glad to see the Repubs are already just bracing for a loss instead of trying for a win.


The Republicans are bracing their electorate for a loss. They have no desire or motivation to win the WH in 2012. The economy is in the crapper and shows no signs of leaving any time soon. A change in President wont change that. Better for the GOP to remain in the backseat and take pot shots, while planning for an epic win in 2016.

Which is exactly what they are doing.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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AT this point, I would settle for a candidate who would strip out most government agencies and stream line the remainder. I may be a socialist, but I don't trust government to handle my socialism. I would like business to be simple and unhindered by the government. I want Entrepreneurism to be promoted. If you'll remember the 80's, people would buy anything. That could get the economy going. I would use the opportunity to start small and build big. I wouldn't sell any products or service I wouldn't buy. I'd use the profit to go off grid and help others to do so.

If there is no candidate who can clean out government, I would vote for anyone who would end the drug war. It divides the people and puts money in the hands of the thugs on both sides.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 12:43 PM
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Obama supporters are quiet because they realized that they screwed up. I'm sure there's a lot that haven't figured it out yet.
Same thing with you rightys and Bush. How many of you went quiet when you realized that he had lied to us about the WMD? That there wasn't going to be an atom bomb dropped on NYC?
And yes, many of you never actually quite figured it out, you stayed with him.
Bush controlled by fear, fear of the WMD and the Atom bomb dropped by the 'newly developed Iraqi drone project.' And the biological warfare, etc.
Obama controls by fear, because he's an African with a forged BC and a phony SSAN, etc., and we're all supposed to not notice it, hence fear the ONE that can get away with it.
So, its 'same thing, only different'.
Meanwhile, we Americans divide ourselfs into groups and snap at each other like rattlesnakes snapping at the wind because they can't see when their yearly shedded skin gets covered over their eyes.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 12:47 PM
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Originally posted by gentledissident
I may be a socialist, but I don't trust government to handle my socialism. I would like business to be simple and unhindered by the government.


Are you sure you are a 'Socialist'? You might want to re-evaluate based on some research.


I want Entrepreneurism to be promoted. If you'll remember the 80's, people would buy anything.


So a return to 30 years ago is your solution for the problems of TODAY?Also, the 80's were a time of high unemployment.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 12:54 PM
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Originally posted by gentledissident
AT this point, I would settle for a candidate who would strip out most government agencies and stream line the remainder. I may be a socialist, but I don't trust government to handle my socialism. I would like business to be simple and unhindered by the government. I want Entrepreneurism to be promoted. If you'll remember the 80's, people would buy anything. That could get the economy going. I would use the opportunity to start small and build big. I wouldn't sell any products or service I wouldn't buy. I'd use the profit to go off grid and help others to do so.

If there is no candidate who can clean out government, I would vote for anyone who would end the drug war. It divides the people and puts money in the hands of the thugs on both sides.


Socialism. You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means.

You are describing capitalism, my friend. More specifically laissez faire capitalism. Welcome, my Libertarian brother!

/TOA



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 12:55 PM
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Well..that's a pretty idiotic response to my supposed own. Besides..my credentials are not yours to know. You're not my supervisor.

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What I see here is a right wing attempt to discredit their own candidate, when he clearly shows the most comprehension of our monetary system and our current economic crisis. It may be that he is simply not in agreement with the GOP agenda. Although his ideas may appear radical to bureaucrats, they are exactly what the country needs at this time.

I have already donated plenty to the Ron Paul campaign, and it doesn't bother me that he doesn't stand a chance at winning. It does send a message though.

Ron Paul schooled his fellow candidates on the GOP panel during the 2011 debates and it was no different in 2008. Now...I'd rather see what he has to say to Obama, but GOP won't let it happen. They're stuck in their ways..they will push the same agenda that they did during Bush Jr.'s presidency.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 12:59 PM
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I should have opened my last post with:
Bush is a dyed in the wool fascist and he operates from that point of view.
Obama is a dyed in the wool communist and he operates from that point of view.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 01:05 PM
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Agreed. I voted for Paul in 08, mainly because I like that he appears to be the only Republican who does what he says and says what he believes.

I get pigeon holed as an Obamabot on ATS because I have the gall to point out that he is not an islamo fascist communist atheist who promised to end war everywhere forever. Personally, I think that makes me a fact-bot, but oh well.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 01:08 PM
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In order to determine why Obama supporters are so quiet we have to look at what his major accomplishments are compared to his campaign promises were.

End the wars [I think he said immediately right?] Hope turns to nope. End war start a new one it's all the same.

Closing Gitmo [Open for business and trials will shortly commence there once again] Change turns to chains

Transparency/ change the way Washington works [Chicago thuggery is way better!] Transparency is over rated

Oh well at least he added 9 states to the US that's something!!

On that subject picture yourself making a speech, would you [as an American] ever make a mistake about how many states there are in the US?

Then there's the ongoing saga of document/ identity fraud he can't seem to shake...

Tell me if You think Robert Gibbs is being honest about what he is saying.


This video was presented a couple of days before Bin Laden was pulled out of the CIA closet. Is this the action of a sane person?


Obama CIA connections

People who voted for Obama didn't do due diligence even after we saw what the Bush family pulled off for three generations in America. Now they are embarrassed, that makes the most sense to me as to the phenomena of silence coming from them. I debate with Obama die hards on a regular basis though and I can attest that they are as vocal as ever. I do suspect that many of these people are on some kind of payroll though.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 01:16 PM
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Originally posted by BackandtothelefT
In order to determine why Obama supporters are so quiet we have to look at what his major accomplishments are compared to his campaign promises were.

End the wars [I think he said immediately right?] Hope turns to nope. End war start a new one it's all the same


Well, there's your problem. You think he promised ot end all the wars? When?.


Closing Gitmo [Open for business and trials will shortly commence there once again] Change turns to chains


Oh, right, that thing he tried to do but was blocked by congress!


Transparency/ change the way Washington works [Chicago thuggery is way better!] Transparency is over rated


I notice your claims are getting more and more vague. What specific acts have been contrary to promises of transparency in your opinion?


Oh well at least he added 9 states to the US that's something!!


Such substance!

Really, here's a link you might benefit from:

www.factcheck.org...



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 01:25 PM
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The closing of Gitmo was stopped by congress?
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Gee, i thought Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid were in charge of congress the first 2 years?
Hmmmmm......


Nice try.
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Obama is in way over his head. Get him out of there.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 01:57 PM
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Yes, I'm a Socialist. I said I would settle for what the Libertarians want, as it seems to be the only alternative to our broken "system" that a majority would agree to. I can use that type of free market to further my Socialist agenda. Mine has always been an "opt in" style of Socialism. I know that people will not opt in. I confess, I don't understand the majority. I will happily settle for a simple life off grid in isolation.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 02:06 PM
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I think you dont know what Socialism and Libertarianism are if you think you can be both at the same time.



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 02:07 PM
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Originally posted by Eurisko2012
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The closing of Gitmo was stopped by congress?
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Gee, i thought Nancy Pelosi and Harry Reid were in charge of congress the first 2 years?
Hmmmmm......



.....aaaaaand that disproves my point how? Yes, Democrats and Republicans in Congress both blocked Obama from being able to shut down gitmo. Do you ever think outside of your Dem/Rep box? Doesnt it get claustrophobic in there with all those talking points?
edit on 25-6-2011 by incrediblelousminds because: (no reason given)



posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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Originally posted by incrediblelousminds
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I think you dont know what Socialism and Libertarianism are if you think you can be both at the same time.
I don't think you're reading what I'm writing. There is no way there will be a majority for Socialism. There is easily a majority for Capitalism. If I'm going to have to move off grid and be self sufficient, It's going to take some money. I would then want the government to make it as easy as possible for me to make the money.

BTW, I'm not apposed to the free market. It would be Hell to live without it. I just think the Government should be responsible for making sure we animals are well taken care of. I even think it should be opt-in and have what I think is a workable plan. I didn't waste a bunch of time developing a plan no one wants. This plan was given to me effortlessly by my brain. It's who I am.
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posted on Jun, 25 2011 @ 08:00 PM
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Originally posted by niceguybob

Originally posted by DCPatriot

Originally posted by laiguana
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Obama is still better than all the candidates I saw at the GOP debates, with the exception of Ron Paul. Now...if I want real, dynamic, and meaningful change...that kind of change will come with someone like Ron Paul. All the other Republican candidates still adhere to the Bush doctrine (so does Obama to some extent), but in essence...they would be no different.
And because I'm socially liberal...Obama is still the better option...the lesser evil, so to speak. Going on how Ron Paul is disregarded and quarantined by the GOP and MSM...It seems that Obama may likely get a vote from me.


I can't let this idiotic post by you go by without commenting.

WTF school did you attend? Where TF are you learning this crap?



LMAO... Star...

Nicely articulated, to the point, and fricking funny. I wish I could write better. That was classic.


I will not apologize.

To suggest that Obama is the Maid-of-Honor to Ron Paul....among all announced candidates to date, means that he/she has no problem with an administration that is purposely killing our economy and crashing the system.

Everywhere you look, he is encouraging mayhem and anarchy.

Iran? Support the government.
Egypt? Get rid of stability and status quo.
Libya? Let's get another one deposed and create another Islamic State.
Syria? "He's a moderate".....Hillary Clinton.
Afghanistan? What did our 1,000 KIA die for?
Pakistan? Don't get me started.

Add the fiasco with the Gun Walker-gate.

And he'd/you'd morally pull the lever for him if Ron Paul is not on the ticket?

That sir, gives me the right to question where somebody is teaching this to the young mush out there.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 12:45 AM
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Yes, Yes...and I don't care what contradictions you may gather from my posts, I won't apologize for your stupidity either, it's all yours to keep. I'll still be voting for Obama and it will please me to see the GOP's reaction when he is re-elected in 2012.
Why shouldn't I? The GOP candidates are nothing short of being another string of puppets, tools of the establishment and advocates of blind imperialism. At a rudimentary level, one can hardly tell them apart. They serve corporate interests and the majority were in favor of the 2008 bailouts, as their voting records show.
The candidates on the GOP panel (minus RP) are a complete joke, as are their supporters. That kind of hype was what got Obama into the whitehouse in the first place. Empty suits and empty promises for sure. That's the only thing Americans should expect the GOP to deliver...esp with these trained monkeys they've lined up on their panel. That's about all you'll ever get.



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