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Yes I can show you that you are incorrect. You said this:
For the last time, there is nothing to debunk. Your comments on my intelligence I find amusing since you have still not posted anything on Able Danger which was the 2nd point of the OP. Can you show me I am incorrect? It is not for me to debunk but there is nothing to debunk. However, as you asked, I am going through the points and I am at able Danger. How about you guys step up with some actual answers or fact.
So I took the time to organize the video into "statements", "evidence", and "facts". After proving to you (with evidence and facts) that the statements in that video were correct, you completely ignored that entire post! I asked you for the second time to debunk that video, and you ignored that request and just wasted a post with BS. Then I asked you for a third time to try to debunk that video, and you shifted the discussion to Able Danger and complained about the pictures that I use in my posts. Then after I asked you a fourth time to debunk that video, you said "there's nothing to debunk".
I watched the video and it does not prove anything. It is a bunch of statements with no evidence or facts to back it up
I just did, I spent a lot of time doing it and you just ignored it.
How about you guys step up with some actual answers or fact.
I have been able to listen to the FDNY incident commanders and talk to them. My neigbor's son-in-law was one of the counsels to the 9/11 commision - his 2 brothers-in-law who worked for Cantor Fitzgerald died there been able to talk to her and gain insights
Originally posted by esdad71
I am taking it one at a time and you cannot accept it. I put up the information on Able Danger and all you can do is post funny ass pictures. It is ok. Just admit that your OP is incorrect. There is no way that the video or post presented shows it was an inside job.
Now, are you going to reply? You cannot debunk something that is incorrect to start with....edit on 1-7-2011 by esdad71 because: (no reason given)
“In the month that lapsed between the terrorist attacks and the deployment of the [FEMA Building Performance Assessment Team (BPAT Team)], a significant amount of steel debris—including most of the steel from the upper floors—was removed from the rubble pile, cut into smaller sections, and either melted at the recycling plant or shipped out of the U.S. Some of the critical pieces of steel—including the suspension trusses from the top of the towers and the internal support columns—were gone before the first BPAT team member ever reached the site. Fortunately, an NSF-funded independent researcher, recognizing that valuable evidence was being destroyed, attempted to intervene with the City of New York to save the valuable artifacts, but the city was unwilling to suspend the recycling contract.”
- Committee on Science, U.S. House of Representatives, March 6, 2002
“[T]here is so much that has been lost in these last six months that we can never go back and retrieve. And that is not only unfortunate, it is borderline criminal.”
- Joseph Crowley, U.S. Congressman, 7th District, New York
Crowley's cousin, New York City firefighter John Moran, was killed as a result of the terrorist attacks of September 11, 2001. Crowley authored a bill that provided the 9/11 Heroes Medal of Valor to all emergency works who died as a result of the terrorist acts. He also created the Urban Area Security Initiative, which directs money to prevent terrorism toward regions that are seen as the most threatened.
On October 10, 2002, Crowley was among the 81 House Democrats who voted in favor of authorizing the invasion of Iraq.
Crucial evidence that could answer many questions about high-rise building design practices and performance under fire conditions
In his statement before the committee, Glenn Corbett, a science professor at John Jay College, claims that the “lack of significant amounts of steel for examination will make it difficult, if not impossible, to make a definitive statement as to the cause and chronology of the collapse.” He also complains, “[W]e are staffing the BPAT with part-time engineers and scientists on a shoestring budget.”
According to Glenn Corbett, a technical adviser to NIST and fire science professor at John Jay College, NIST is not aggressive enough to carry out major forensic investigations. He says, “Instead of a gumshoe inquiry that left no stone unturned, I believe the investigations were treated more like research projects in which they waited for information to flow to them.
Was it used to hide financial issues, destroy key SEC files, address the Iraq petro-dollar problem, or murder those investigating over $2 trillion lost in the Pentagon
It didnt stop ANY SEC investigations.
It didnt stop the petro dollar issue
And it was never about missing money at the Pentagon.
Maybe if you watched that video that I've posted 40 times and requested everyone to watch and try to debunk another 600 times, you would see why we're so hung up on the molten steel. Molten aluminum, as you can see in post #10 on page 37, is silver, and NIST claimed that the molten metal seen dripping from the tower was molten aluminum. It's clearly not silver, it's molten steel, and there was evidence of this with the iron microchips found in the dust.
Now, tell us which of those individuals would be able to determine if its melted steel, melted aluminum alloy, melted nickel, or whats left of any one of a number of different metals found in a high rise office building. Then, show us the report where they tested the substance. Getting hung up on hot metal of some sort, that is at the bottom of a debris pile that is on fire and being fed a constant stream of oxygen is stupid. Not to mention that finding it days after the fact, rules out a few typical truther claims.
was evidence of this with the iron microchips found in the dust.
Now, tell us which of those individuals would be able to determine if its melted steel, melted aluminum alloy, melted nickel, or whats left of any one of a number of different metals found in a high rise office building.
Then, show us the report where they tested the substance.
Getting hung up on hot metal of some sort, that is at the bottom of a debris pile that is on fire and being fed a constant stream of oxygen is stupid.
It didnt stop ANY SEC investigations.
It didnt stop the petro dollar issue
And it was never about missing money at the Pentagon.
but yet I imagine that you will tell us that extremist cells that were not from Afghanistan or Pakistan planned and carried out a strike against the USA at the behest of an ex-CIA asset with long familial ties to the President's own family
Originally posted by vipertech0596
reply to post by TupacShakur
Not that I can believe that I am using Dr. Wood as a source..but...
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www.drjudywood.com...
Then there is this...
haveblue.org...
Caption reads "This is the actual crucible of molten aluminum in the induction furnace. Due to the IR sensitivity of the camera, it really doesn't look this pink to the human eye."
This one too...
art-posters-prints.posteravatar.com...
So, as I said, without knowing the exact metal and the impurities in it, it is stupid to hang your hat on it. Especially since aluminum CAN be reddish/orangish when molten.
was evidence of this with the iron microchips found in the dust.
Common byproduct when steelworkers are using torches to cut up wreckage.edit on 2-7-2011 by vipertech0596 because: (no reason given)
Then why do so many OS'ers say that NIST determined it to be aluminum. Did they test it or not and are those tests avail?
So, as I said, without knowing the exact metal and the impurities in it, it is stupid to hang your hat on it.
Common byproduct when steelworkers are using torches to cut up wreckage.
Common byproduct when steelworkers are using torches to cut up wreckage.
Then why do so many OS'ers say that NIST determined it to be aluminum. Did they test it or not and are those tests avail?
but is Active Thermitic Material a byproduct