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posted on Mar, 30 2003 @ 08:59 PM
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To clear things up.

I am for the members of ATS.

Nothing less.

Freedom.




posted on Mar, 30 2003 @ 09:06 PM
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To clear things up.

I am for the members of ATS.

Nothing less.

Freedom.
Posted by William

And thank God for that! Any mod who was against the principals and members of any chat board should not hold such a position. If I had any reason to believe that the mods/admins on this board held any negative wishes against its members, I would not be here.

However, in my mind at least, there were numerous anomalies about what has happened here in the last 48 hours or so. When things dont add up, I start asking questions.

Maybe no one else here cares, maybe I am on a wild goose chase... if so, I would expect to see some answers that point in that direction.

However, when someone is non responsive or evasive to such questions, that only makes me ask more questions.

To be completely honest William, you have to admit you havent exactly addressed my questions directly.



posted on Mar, 30 2003 @ 09:12 PM
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Originally posted by ProudAmerican

Could it be possible that this be the last thread about all of this yahoo crap and ATS could be restored to how it was last week before all of this?


Hopefully PA it will be; for I don't see a reason for it to. It is getting to be BS having to search around, those of us who are interested in this subject should keep it to one thread. I have tried but look a new thread!


I am still interested in this as its got all the attention so far. heres what I am not so sure of:
!!!WARNING!!! THIS MAY NOT MAKE SENCE UNLESS YOU HAVE BEEN HERE THE LAST FEW DAYS.

X- MB posted on other public forums, what ones if they can be found?
who all is from the group?(so far only a few are known, but could all be the same person)
who exactly is this "europe elite", behind them?
X- where are the word files, NOT what was reposted by bladerunner but the REAL DEAL?
if one attack is bio whats the other he never said?
who exactly is this old guard he speaks of
X- What's left of crackers proof, beside that one u2u from MB?

ok guys tell me I am stupid...


[Edited on 31-3-2003 by Lurker]



posted on Mar, 30 2003 @ 09:12 PM
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I'm sorry, but please don't assume I read every message, nor even every thread.

Yes, the forum has been buggy, and this is one of the issues I'm helping Simon with.



posted on Mar, 30 2003 @ 09:17 PM
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There's so much more to it than couple posts missing.



posted on Mar, 30 2003 @ 09:19 PM
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There's so much more to it than couple posts missing. Posted by Illmatic67

Take a screen shot, you wont see this very often!

I agree with Illmatic on this one



posted on Mar, 30 2003 @ 09:23 PM
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Just to make sure we're on the same page, these were the questions I asked.


William (or any and all other mods/admins)

First of all, I have a great deal of respect for all mods/admins who run this board. I believe that the concept of ATS is a wonderful thing, to be able to freely share ideas and concepts, and debate endlessly various issues that are prevalent in society today.

However, in the latest happenings in the past 48 hours, I keep going over and over the latest events, and things just DONT ADD UP.

It is my particular nature to ask questions when things dont seem to add up. I have asked, both publicly and privately, questions that I felt were relevant to the current events.

I hate to say it, but the answers so far have been only half explainations, combined with a good share of tapdancing...

I would like to ask some very pointed and direct questions, and hopefully recieve pointed and direct answers...

First, did any mods or admins delete or ban the new yahoo refugees?

If so, why? Please specify what rule they broke, and explain why they did not recieve warnings, and also why all threads were deleted?

If not, to the best of your knowledge, did an outside agency delete them, without knowledge or consent of any admins?

If so, do you have any logs/IP addresses that would indicate who did so?

If neither of the above, did any outside agency contact any mods/admins and request or direct you to delete these individuals, or turn over any data relating to such activity?



posted on Mar, 30 2003 @ 09:33 PM
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when asked to tell others what was SO important about them, they just didn't respond. Why???? Well probably because their "stories" are made up. I think if they are not playing a joke on us all, then they are up to no good. So the question these men must answer is, are you guys known hackers or not. Speak up, or BeLLaTrIx will have to do his duty.



posted on Mar, 30 2003 @ 09:38 PM
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First, did any mods or admins delete or ban the new yahoo refugees?

I think I already explained this. Server problems.

If not, to the best of your knowledge, did an outside agency delete them, without knowledge or consent of any admins?

I doubt it. The server would have to be functioning to do so... it was not.

If so, do you have any logs/IP addresses that would indicate who did so?

Bob88 reviewed the admin console logs... there was no activity on "delete____" templates.

If neither of the above, did any outside agency contact any mods/admins and request or direct you to delete these individuals, or turn over any data relating to such activity?

No. Not that I'm aware of. There might be one moderator that I have in mind, but that situation has been corrected if indeed it did exist.



posted on Mar, 30 2003 @ 09:49 PM
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now this is the third time i've attempted to reply to this topic, hopefully my comp won't crash. now here is what i'm tryin to say.

i don't know what's going on with these people, i don't know if they are part of queen scion or not. but one thing is for sure. their actions have got us divided and looking at each other with suspiscion. there are a few scenarios which would require this.

scenario 1. this is the one they have brought to us. the yahoo group they were at has been completely dissolved because of some content, and the leaders 'taken away'. this would lead us to belive that HS NSA or FBI CIA had somethin to do with it. that gives us a few questions. one, what exactly did these guys know? two how did they get this info if it got them abducted by gov't agencies. three what happened and/or will happen to them now. and is the same group trying to get us dissolved in the same way they did the yahoo one. this would be harder, one because there are more ppl here than on the yahoo one, and it isn't hosted by a larger system as yahoo is. so they'd have to get us asking questions.

two, these people are the ones trying to destroy us. they've got us confused, not knowing what was going on. since they're hackers, they could easily erase records of their own community, and just as easily make a story in which their leaders were taken away. there hasn't been any other proven ats member that knows MB and knows he's been abducted or something similar.

i say we find out who we can trust, watch these people with our widest eye. and find out everything about what is going on. i'm as lost as you all are.



posted on Mar, 30 2003 @ 10:44 PM
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u guyz are all idiots.....noone is out to get anyone you guys are all making a bunch of stuff in ur heads and nothing happened on yahooo....and noone is tryingt to destroy anyone noone is part of a secret group pr anythiong dont get yer panties all bunched up


[Edited on 31-3-2003 by dtlnu_okce]



posted on Mar, 30 2003 @ 10:48 PM
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well, yes, something did happen on yahoo, that much has been verified



posted on Mar, 30 2003 @ 11:30 PM
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even though it might seem like stupid paranoia, those guys who seemed like doushbags might have been telling the truth about their whole situation. alot of people seem very quick to say no they were just lying and making stupid claims, but just what if they were right....



posted on Mar, 30 2003 @ 11:38 PM
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xmb.abovetopsecret.com...

This is the latest thread I have started. I got curious about some of MBs assertions, and did a bit of research on my own. I only found stuff that was publicly accessible, however, it dovetails with what MB, et al claimed.

MB claimed his buddy Cracker was a black op hacker and had some very incriminating evidence (to incriminate who, doing what, we dont know). We DO know that there WAS a yahoo site, as they claimed, and it was in fact deleted, as they claimed.

If you assume what I have posted to be true (and I have research to back me up), and assume that maybe these guys did in fact find something dangerous enough to get them in deep $h@t, I dont see any good coming out of it at all...



posted on Mar, 31 2003 @ 12:46 AM
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Heres the real story:

NWO_cracker is a former black ops guy . we dont really know with whom or where . but there has been independant confirmation of his former life . his handle describes his background in computer hacking .

ever since 9/11/2001 our group has been more active digging into what is going on . cracker helped keep us pointed in the right direction . recently he cracked into some personal systems of some europe elite . and he put some word files in the archive . it was scary stuff . there will be two more big attacks in the us . one will be biologic and will really hurt .

there is a new european center of power for the NWO and they dont like america . for the past three years there has been a "internet smoke screen" project of disinformation . this european group is creating all kinds of crazy conspiracy websites with wrong information like death camps and global armies .

whats really going on is even more scary . the europeans thought america got too powerful in the last decade . 9/11 was punishment . and the Iraq war is the first step in bringing down america . we will loose the war without outside help . it will get ugly . it will be the first step in ruining the american economy .

bush is a pawn who has been deceived by the european globalists . others in his admin are clueless old guard who still think USA holds the keys to the new NWO . the eurpoeans are using that agaisnt them

Germany and France are a little too strong . they will be shown to have been involved in building Iraq and Bin Laden . it will cripple their governments . a new EU will form that is the seed of the NWO as soon eastern european countries join and even some scandinavian and north african in 10 years . UK is the new center as they finally join the EU to help "pull it back together"

the united states will be left to rot . the next two attacks will kill millions . no one will help us . the homeland security and FBI agencies are connected to the new finacial power backers in europe - cracker found the proof - these agencies will take away american liberties to make sure we fade away so that the NWO can just take us over painlessly in 15 years .

that's what i can remember . the archives are gone . i hope cracker's ok as he knows much much more about the details . we were just trying to figure out how to get the word out over the weekend . cracker had some contacts at the LA Times which he figured wasnt too polluted with conspiractors . i guess we got too complacent in discussing all this on a public forum on yahoo . damn



posted on Mar, 31 2003 @ 12:48 AM
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scary (if true)



posted on Mar, 31 2003 @ 01:20 AM
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How could anyone know all that? You sound like a Faust Baez who was a little more schooled in history. I do not believe any of that. It sounds like xenophobic propoganda aimed at making Americans hate Europe even more. It takes advantage of American ignorance of the world and of our distrust of Europe now that they don't support the war on Iraq. This "Cracker" was probably some kid with too much free time who mislead all of the people in his group by fabricating "word documents" and showing them to these conspiracy theorists with a natural bent toward gullibility. RKBA and MB were let in on it as well. Then this "cracker" (no self respecting hacker would call himself a cracker, its a word of disrespect) deleted his group and all evidence of it when he got bored.

XA
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posted on Mar, 31 2003 @ 08:29 AM
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phoenix_cross i allready thought about the latter of what you said, i am going to comment again as i now belive the mods, but they still could share a bit of information, what the hell went on with TC?

the facts are, the yahoo group exsisted, and the people are gone, addmitidly it could all be a joke, but i dont belive it is, because it is quite a well orcastrated one at that.

certain strange things have been happening, threads have been locked, the server has been down, i am starting to think this could be an orcastrated disinformation campaign, we have alot of stuff going on at the moment war and all that maybe we are all missing something right in front off our eyes...

anyway im glad to have a bit of trust back, and as i have demonstrated, i will not hesitate about posting something i think needs to be posted..

Peace..

The Blade Runner




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