Dutch populist Geert Wilders acquitted of hate speech

reply to post by Maslo

Religion is not a race.

Do you live in the Netherlands? No? Oh my god, what a surprise.


Fact is, Wilders is playing on racist motives. That's why his following exists of uneducated people and fringe neo-nazi type of folk, including racists.

Wilders Islam hate is not rooted in bigotry it's rooted in racism. Now this might be hard to comprehend for you, but, the majority of Islam bashers in the Netherlands are either a. uninformed, or b. have racist tendencies. I'm just waiting for the stupid people who voted for him to realize what kind of crap they pulled.

Notice how Wilders' is referred to as "POPULIST"? Ever wonder why?

reply to post by Zamini


How does it change the fact that religion is not a race? Its something you can choose, its ideology. I see nothing wrong with "hate speech" against ideologies, be it socialism, communism, capitalism, fascism, religions or sionizm.

Maybe they refer to him as "populist", because he wants to finally fulfill the will of the ordinary people (populi), instead of corporations and the rich? Its an attempt to discredit him.

reply to post by Zamini

Do you live in the Netherlands? No? Oh my god, what a surprise.


Fact is, Wilders is playing on racist motives. That's why his following exists of uneducated people and fringe neo-nazi type of folk, including racists.

Wilders Islam hate is not rooted in bigotry it's rooted in racism. Now this might be hard to comprehend for you, but, the majority of Islam bashers in the Netherlands are either a. uninformed, or b. have racist tendencies. I'm just waiting for the stupid people who voted for him to realize what kind of crap they pulled.

Notice how Wilders' is referred to as "POPULIST"? Ever wonder why?

Uhmmm... do you live in the Netherlands?

Your facts are not THE facts, and the assumption that his following exists of uneducated people.. well thats shows your intelligence.

Like Maslo already explains, Islam is not a race but an ideology, and that ideology is the reason why Wilders has been surrounded with security.
Do take in consideration that so many dutch people vote for him because of what is happening in their neighborhood
Murder and threats, robbing, the brutality, the intimidation and so on, they themselfs created the fruitfull ground for Wilders to walk on, hi did not just desided to bash some muslims.

Last but not least, if it was racism, they would have convicted him but they cannot convict him for criticising their ideology.

reply to post by earthling42

Uhmmm... do you live in the Netherlands?

Yes.

Your facts are not THE facts, and the assumption that his following exists of uneducated people.. well thats shows your intelligence.

Says you. The actual voters would disagree with ya there. Uneducated and I stand by it because the guy is running in politics and he has bollocks for economic policies. His political program exists of hot air, his party members are shady(to say the very least) and can be found in the media regularly for breaking some kind of law(whether that be punching someone on the face or running a telecom business in some Eastern-European country and avoiding taxes in the Netherlands)...and you are here to tell me I'm lacking intellect?

No, dude. You're lacking intellect by not knowing when to step back with your politically correct rhetoric.

Like Maslo already explains, Islam is not a race but an ideology, and that ideology is the reason why Wilders has been surrounded with security.

Yes, it's an ideology that's bashing Islam like he is alright. You can find out which one that is for yourself.

Do take in consideration that so many dutch people vote for him because of what is happening in their neighborhood

That's a load of #. How does voting for him improve the social-economic atmosphere when all he's doing is bashing and not offering anything constructive? Lets take your example of crime yeh, how does trying to force actual police officers to become animal police, help make people feel safe? Because that's another one of his gems.

Murder and threats, robbing, the brutality, the intimidation and so on, they themselfs created the fruitfull ground for Wilders to walk on, hi did not just desided to bash some muslims.

No he did not JUST decide to do it, that's why in the years prior to him being in the government he met up with Netanyahu, that's why in the year he was running for government he went to Israel 14 times(?). You might be a little slow but the Dutch people in general catch on quite quickly.

Last but not least, if it was racism, they would have convicted him but they cannot convict him for criticising their ideology.

Grow up, these people are not stupid. They know how they can be racist and avoid laws...so what's with the straw man?

reply to post by Zamini


Ahh, you know if we were to search the backgrounds of all our politicians there would be a lot of garbage on the table, one would almost think that apart from being politician they are also ordinairy people like you and me

Furthermore, the facts speak for themselfs, he is not convicted.

Now to show you that i am not for him, i also do not agree on his view, in fact to me it shows his lack of intelligence.
That may look like arrogance from my side, but consider this, aside from nationality and (political)ideology religion we are all humans, flesh and blood.
So why are we fighting over something stupid like that?
That to me is bogus.

reply to post by earthling42

Ahh, you know if we were to search the backgrounds of all our politicians there would be a lot of garbage on the table, one would almost think that apart from being politician they are also ordinairy people like you and me

Ordinary people do not intentionally commit economic crimes and sail around business tax laws.

Furthermore, the facts speak for themselfs, he is not convicted.

It was a show trial with all the top priced lawyers that defend the most notorious criminals. And you're here saying he was not convicted. Who cares? I've not cared for his rhetoric one bit, but he's running for government in the nation I live in, so I'd like it to be a politician with an actual plan rather than being an asset of the Israelis and parading like some Zionist clown in the US and UK.

Until you understand that, you're just arguing to be politically correct.

Now to show you that i am not for him, i also do not agree on his view, in fact to me it shows his lack of intelligence.

He doesn't lack intelligence(he does if he's being used though). He's preying on the lack of intelligence amongst the voter base. That's what most foreign influences do.

That may look like arrogance from my side, but consider this, aside from nationality and (political)ideology religion we are all humans, flesh and blood.
So why are we fighting over something stupid like that?
That to me is bogus.

Correct. Here's a funny one for ya, Zamini means Earthling in Farsi(Iranian).

Goodbye and thanks for all the fish

reply to post by Zamini

reply to post by earthling42


Don't think you'll get a star for agreeing with me ;-)

reply to post by Zamini


My advice, don't jump to conclusions too fast.

The thumbs up was for the goodbye and the explanation of your nickname.

No need for discussion, it is pretty clear, no racism but criticism, on the edge though, not over.

reply to post by earthling42


And my advice to you; if you don't know # about a subject, do not pretend you can weasel your way into a discussion with politically correct mumbo jumbo. Also, assume less in order to not come across as a fool.

Geert Wilders: The only who likes to shout from the sidelines and who refuses to govern himself. It's not only muslims he's against. He and his political party criticize all foreigners who are not white.

Enough of my friends and relatives are leaving the Netherlands or thinking on leaving because the culture has completely changed, there is more hate against non-whites based on populist politicians like Wilders and biased media reporting (de telegraaf being a prime example).

reply to post by Zamini


O come on, your opinion is not the opinion of others, and it would be great if we looked beyond politics and the noise it produces.
Don't lower yourself by generalizing others, by that you'd be doing precisely what you are accusing Wilders of.

reply to post by earthling42

O come on, your opinion is not the opinion of others, and it would be great if we looked beyond politics and the noise it produces.
Don't lower yourself by generalizing others, by that you'd be doing precisely what you are accusing Wilders of.

Don't barge into a topic about the politics in a country you know nothing of. Does that sound simple enough? Or is your ignorant genes too strong?

You do not even know what Wilders is doing or accusing people of so how am I doing what he is? I know the opinion of a LOT of Dutch people and it's not you they agree with. You're the ignorant one here dude.

This Wilders has some double standards.
When others speak about him in public the way he speaks about Muslims than he drags them to court.

He compared the Koran with Htilers "mein kampf".
He compares the Koran to "Mein Kampf"
When others compare him with nazi's he gets upset.

Some people forget that the Netherlands became a succesfull country in the past because of racial and religious tolerance.
Many people came from all around europe to live there to escape religious and racial hate in their own countries.

In WW2 many people followed the nazi party line and many where happy to get rid of the Jews (terrorists).
Than after the war the Indonesians where the bad guys.
Than the blacks from surinam where the problem.
Now its the Muslims.

Who is next.

Again, double standards.
If some catoonist makes a cartoon with the prophet Mohamed as a pig than it is freedom of speech.
But is some one draws a cartoon of Wilders as a Nazi camp guard than it is Muslim terrorism.
Wilders angry about Nazi cartoon

reply to post by jaamaan

This Wilders has some double standards.

He sure does, it's his mission.

But is some one draws a cartoon of Wilders as a Nazi camp guard than it is Muslim terrorism.

Of course, because his allegiance is with the Zionists and settlers in Israel, not with the Dutch people. So in that sense, you can't compare him to nazi's, that would damage his image "back home". So he throws hissy fits about that(and so does his lawyer, who is like a pop-star that defends the most notorious criminals in the Netherlands).

The whole thing stinks to high heaven. Personally, I think Wilders is a Mossad op.

In WW2 many people followed the nazi party line and many where happy to get rid of the Jews (terrorists).
Than after the war the Indonesians where the bad guys.
Than the blacks from surinam where the problem.
Now its the Muslims.

Who is next.
Wilders angry about Nazi cartoon

No one in the Netherlands invited Hitler to the Netherlands during ww2. Those collaborating were oppertunistic people which exist in every society. After the war, many were put to shame in public by shaving women bald because of their relations german soldiers. Others were put to jail or even assassinated. There were also people who joined the underground resistance and risked their lives to supply information to allied forces or assassinate german officers, hide Jewish families risking their own lives.

Holland has had it's colonial history. I don't agree with it, conquering other nations is a bad thing but one has to look at the good things too, the country has paid trillions of guilders and euro's to those countries it's ancestors conquered over a long time, brought western education and economics. Many people in the Netherlands don't want those countries since they only cost money without giving much in return. Which is also the problem with certain the integration of other cultures in the Netherlands, they just don't want to become like us. Which I can't blame them. Sure they work in society, that's something in return but they just never seem to want to really mingle socially. Because of that the dutch identity build by my ancestors for many centuries comes to an end and instead there's this fragmented country which has a lot of strife but lacks unity. Strife might be something positive like competition and become better and better but without unity things will just crumble.

reply to post by Zamini


I am dutch myself and yes i live in the Netherlands, Wilders can shout al he wants, but as long as the people know better, his shouting poses not a problem and will in time mean the end of PVV.
We the people live and work together without any problem exept for some youth that really makes us feel unsafe.
That my friend is as i said earlier the fuel for his up coming, not because he is against foreigners or muslims.
I do not go into theoretics about israel and mossad and so on, but base it on the people arround me.
They want safety, not being robbed, stabbed or intimidated by groups of disrespectfull youth.
I know it won't help much when people vote for him, but he is the only one smart enough to use it and collect votes, hence the fruitfull ground.
To say that his voters are nazi racists for me is a bridge to far, hence dont lower yourself.

Goodbye.

reply to post by earthling42

They want safety, not being robbed, stabbed or intimidated by groups of disrespectfull youth.

Come on, you fearful little ignorant people.

Who do you know that's been robbed stabbed? Intimidated - so what? I'm intimidated by so many cops and governments. Disrespectful? By all means, I can be as disrespectful as I want, that does not mean you should vote for a foreign asset in Dutch politics. Wise up man, what you're saying is simply STUPID.

I do not go into theoretics about israel and mossad and so on, but base it on the people arround me.

Fearful little ignorant people. Sure. Why don't you. Oh they saw a robbery on TV, quick vote for a Nazi.

To say that his voters are nazi racists for me is a bridge to far, hence dont lower yourself.

It's amazing you say you are Dutch. I don't believe it. But the beauty of you saying that is, you are trying to get me not to say something I am allowed to say by Dutch law...the courtcase proved it. And the emotional argument; don't lower yourself...what's this for first grade manipulation?

I can say whatever I want about these people who are so UNEDUCATED and so IGNORANT that they can't look ahead. What the HELL are those friends of you doing in a democracy? Ah well, we'll see the end result of this ignorant folk majority voting in a few years. Better be prepared.

Originally posted by Zamini
I can be as disrespectful as I want.

Thanks and goodbye.

reply to post by earthling42


FYI; nobody asked for an audience so for you to take the high road because of your demand for respect, says a lot more about your fear complex ridden state of mind.