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Radioactive dust from Fukushima plant hit N. America soon after meltdown: researchers

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posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 08:21 PM
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On the simulations you are posting there used to be a disclaimer on the site apparently:


You forgot part of the quote of the disclaimer on NILU’s site: “The products should be considered informational and only indicate ‘worst case scenario’ releases. From what we’ve learned recently, it seems releases of this magnitude have not yet occurred. “
From your link.

You can learn more about NILU stopping their simulator here, from the boys at Berkeley.

They are in the Nuclear program at Berkeley and they have been monitoring air tests Here.


Seeing that 90% of your position is built of NILU data which is simulation data and not actual data. You argument is pretty weak. I suggest a revamp.




posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 08:23 PM
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Yes there does not need to be any more explosions.

The first explosion was enough to take the roof off.

After that, stuff will just keep pouring out for a long time.

The Cores melted into Corium, and are releasing gases constantly now. They are several thousands of degrees in temperature. That kind of heat will create a updraft in the atmosphere around it, just pushing the loose pollutants further into the air.

It's basically nuclear lava.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 08:26 PM
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Originally posted by boncho
reply to post by thorfourwinds
 


On the simulations you are posting there used to be a disclaimer on the site apparently:


You forgot part of the quote of the disclaimer on NILU’s site: “The products should be considered informational and only indicate ‘worst case scenario’ releases. From what we’ve learned recently, it seems releases of this magnitude have not yet occurred. “
From your link.

You can learn more about NILU stopping their simulator here, from the boys at Berkeley.

They are in the Nuclear program at Berkeley and they have been monitoring air tests Here.


Seeing that 90% of your position is built of NILU data which is simulation data and not actual data. You argument is pretty weak. I suggest a revamp.


I bet you cannot even articulate what his "argument" was in the first place.

I have a strange feeling you are just arguing for fun or something. Not in any real search for answers...

Tell me.
What was his argument and how is it weak?



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 08:42 PM
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Originally posted by Shadowalker
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Its a byproduct of the reaction that is still going on within the melted reactor cores. There is your answer. It will continue to exhaust as well as all of the noble gasses as long as they try to cool the cores with seawater. Those gasses had nothing to do with the explosions. I hope you know that or your a bigger rube than people think you are.

I'm done with you Boncho. Your 'edumacation' is shoddy and your circular argument is off topic and flawed at every step. Didn't you just post your big test? think on that.


You got that from the OP?


According to the research team, updrafts in a low-pressure system passing over the disaster-stricken Tohoku region on March 14-15 carried some of the radioactive dust that had collected about 1.5 kilometers above the plant to an altitude of about 5 kilometers. The jet stream then caught the dust and diffused it over the Pacific Ocean and beyond.
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I've read the OP over and I don't see what you are talking about.

Michio Kaku talks about what you are talking about. But he also says the levels are elevated but not that high.

The only person to go overboard is Gundersen.

He talks about reports in his video. Can you link me to where offers reference to them? He should be republishing things like this shouldn't he?



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 08:44 PM
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What was his argument and how is it weak?

 


Unless his argument was, "I have simulations that are not based on real data, look at them". The argument is weak.

You do not even know my position on the issue. If you are assuming you do, you are probably wrong.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by boncho
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What was his argument and how is it weak?

 


Unless his argument was, "I have simulations that are not based on real data, look at them". The argument is weak.

You do not even know my position on the issue. If you are assuming you do, you are probably wrong.


I do know your position on the issue.

You posted dozens of times about the issue. Your position becomes evident from the content of those posts.

You did not articulate what his argument was, because as you admit plainly in your post, you aren't quite sure yourself. How can you logically argue with someone you don't even know what the argument is about?

I believe your position is simply to slow the process down a bit. Spread confusion, increase doubt, possibly try to bait people into assassinating their own characters.

It's quite an interesting position to have on a topic actually. Very interesting.

I wonder why someone would do that? HMMMM....



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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Originally posted by boncho
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Seeing that 90% of your position is built of NILU data which is simulation data and not actual data. You argument is pretty weak. I suggest a revamp.

Greetings:

That's all you got out of our post?

At least, you pointed to the "Berkeley Boys" site and this little gem was posted there by, of course, Anonymous.


PLEASE KEEP TESTING
Submitted by Anonymous (not verified) on Fri, 2011-05-06 19:32.
I want to second, third and fourth this request. PLEASE, you are all we have since the EPA has decided that this is a "non-event." The best that we may get with the EPA is a retrospective that will only be of value as a "lesson learned."

I can "read" it now...."In hindsight, so-and-so from the EPA admits that the May 2011 decision to stop additional testing of water, milk and other food products in the US, including those products that come from some of America's most agriculturally productive regions, and which were most affected by the radiation plumes, was probably premature given the ongoing nature of the radioactive emissions from Fukushima..."

Now, about that revamp. How about some more info for you to digest?

As you may readily discern, we are carefully setting the stage prior to a call for action.

Check this out:

We flash back to 28 April (seems like an eternity ago) to remind us that in three days from this date, the EPA will discontinue monitoring for radiation on a daily basis in favor of every three months.

Fukushima Japan Nuclear Radiation Levels Spike Highest Yet — 1,120,000 Microsieverts per Hour


Radiation levels detected at the Fukushima nuclear power plant in Japan rise to the highest levels yet hitting 1.2 sieverts per hour as TEPCO announced that it may not be able to follow through with the 9 month plan to stop the radiation leaking from the Fukushima nuclear reactor in Japan.

A nuclear engineering professor from Kyoto adds that depending on the source of the high levels the plan to entomb the reactor to permanently end the radiation leak may not work at all. That statement echoes similar sentiments from nuclear expert Arnie Gunderson.

For conversion purposes, 1.12 seiverts per hour = 1,120 millsieverts pert hour = 1,120,000 microsieverts per hour.
More simply 1 sievert = 1000 millisievert = 1,000,000 microsieverts



16 May 2011
Reactor No. 1 Core Had Total Meltdown and Uranium Fuel May Be Outside Containment Building


Nuclear reaction could have restarted

As Nature News’ Geoff Brumfiel reports, workers went into the unit recently “to recalibrate some of the sensors on the reactor.” Much to their surprise and dismay, they found that the core experienced a total meltdown.

The zirconium alloy tubes that hold the uranium fuel pellets during normal operation all warped and the uranium is now lying at the bottom of the pressure vessel, or possibly even outside of it in the basement below or outside the concrete containment building.

With all the fuel piled up at the bottom, there is some danger that the nuclear reaction could have restarted. As of now, engineers on the scene aren’t sure what happened.

[...] Reactor restart? [...]

Some have theorized that with all the fuel at the bottom of the vessel, unit 1 may have actually restarted its nuclear reactions. If that had happened, the fuel would be pumping out some portion of its normal 1380 megawatts of thermal power—probably enough to melt through the thick steal reactor pressure vessel. It would have dropped onto a concrete slab below (the basemat), where it would have hopefully been spread out, effectively diffusing the chain reaction. [...]

[A] note from the Japan Atomic Industrial Forum (JAIF) quotes Banri Kaieda, the nation’s Economy, Trade and Industry Minister, as saying that it is “a fact” that there were holes created by the meltdown. That would likely mean at least some of the uranium fuel is now lying on the basemat below, or perhaps even outside the concrete containment.
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16 May 2011
Melted Fuel in Reactor No. 3 Appears to Have Burned Through Pressure Vessel–
Loaded With Rods Containing Plutonium



And like the No. 1 reactor, the melted fuel appears to have created holes in the pressure vessel of the No. 3 reactor, according to the data of Tokyo Electric Power Co. released May 16. [...]

At the No. 3 reactor, the melted fuel may have burned through the pressure vessel to the containment vessel, the data showed. [...]

According to the data, the pressure in the pressure vessel of the No. 2 reactor dropped at 6:43 p.m. on March 15. A similar drop in pressure also took place at the No. 3 reactor at 11:50 p.m. on March 16.

Those declines were apparently the result of holes made in the pressure vessels. [...] it appears that melted nuclear fuel formed new holes in the pressure vessels. [...]

Radioactive materials, such as technetium, produced when nuclear fuel rods are damaged, have been detected in water in the No. 3 reactor building. That discovery has raised speculation that the melted nuclear fuel has breached the pressure vessel and landed in the containment vessel.
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17 May 2011
Huge Problems: All Parts of Fuel Rods Appear to Have Melted at all 3 Reactors Admits TEPCO


Data shows meltdowns occurred at the No. 2 and No. 3 reactors of the Fukushima No. 1 nuclear power plant, creating huge problems for the plant operator that had presented a more optimistic scenario. [...]

Goshi Hosono, special adviser to Prime Minister Naoto Kan, acknowledged the likelihood of meltdowns at the No. 2 and No. 3 reactors.

“We have to assume that meltdowns have taken place,” Hosono said at a news conference May 16. [...]

“When highly contaminated water was found at the No. 2 reactor building in late March, we recognized that a meltdown had taken place. So I informed the government,” [Haruki Madarame, chairman of the Nuclear Safety Commission] said. [...]

TEPCO had said it believed that only a portion of the nuclear fuel rods had melted. Now, it appears that all parts of the fuel rods have melted. [...]
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17 May 2011
Molten Fuel Made It Outside of Containment Vessel at Reactor No. 1


Pressure Vessel is “completely broken” says Kyoto U. nuclear professor
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Research Reactor Institute, Kyoto University Professor Akira Hiroshi Koide is “If 冷Yasenaku loss of power in the reactor can lead to early meltdown should have been able to assume.’s TEPCO it has limited fuel damage The description will be completely mistaken.. too late publication of the data well, “he said.

TEPCO In this analysis, “damaging the pressure vessel is not large,” but explained, Assistant Professor Koide the “pressure vessel is completely broken, a hole in the bottom of the vessel containing the molten fuel, reactor are causing a large amount of contaminated water leaking in the basement of the building “to estimate. [...]

EX-SKF Translation


[...] According to TEPCO, the data analysis shows that damage to the RPV is not extensive. However, (Hiroaki Koide of Kyoto University Research Reactor Institute) thinks “The RPV has been completely damaged, the melted core bore a hole at the bottom of the Containment Vessel, causing the large amount of contaminated water to leak into the ground beneath the reactor building.” [...]



The following is from a statement by TEPCO and reported by CNTV.

17 May 2011
Reactor No.1′s Fuel Rods “Completely Melted” Admits TEPCO


BEIJING, May 17 (Xinhuanet) -- The operator of the Fukushima Nuclear plant, TEPCO, says it's trying to determine whether the facility was actually damaged by the earthquake on March 11th, rather than the resulting tsunami.

TEPCO also says fuel rods in the facility's number one reactor have completely melted down.

A spokesman for TEPCO has outlined a new analysis of the crisis.

A review of data suggests the number 1 reactor's fuel rods were fully exposed within five hours of the quake, causing them to heat rapidly.

By the next morning - just 16 hours later - the rods had largely melted down. If the new data analysis is correct, it means the facility was mainly damaged by the quake itself - NOT the resulting tsunami, as previously thought.

The No. 2 and No. 3 reactors are thought to have gone through a similar process, but with only 30 percent damage to their fuel rods.
TEPCO has now decided to send a new team inside the plant to check the accuracy of the findings.

In response, Prime Minister Naoto Kan told Japan's parliament that the company will release an updated timetable for resolving the crisis on Tuesday.

But Kan said stabilization of the reactors would still be limited to within six to nine months.

The new findings come as Japan on Friday ordered residents outside the established thirty-kilometer exclusion zone to leave their homes. Around 8-thousand people are to be relocated by the end of the month.
(Source: CNTV.cn)
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And we close with a breaking story from our friend Alexander Higgins:

Confirmed: EPA Rigged RADNET Japan Nuclear Radiation Monitoring Equipment To Report Lower Levels Of Fukushima Fallout

The EPA re-calibrated (rigged) Japan nuclear radiation monitoring equipment causing them to report lower levels of radioactive fallout after the Fukushima nuclear meltdown than what was detected before the disaster.


I recently programmed an application to pull all of the EPA radiation monitoring graphs for all major US cities and complied them into an easy to use web interface. Of course we took the data being reported with a grain of salt under the suspicion that the Feds were fiddling with the results.

Now, an investigative report looking into why the much of the EPA radiation monitoring equipment was offline when the Fukushima nuclear meltdown occurred reveals that EPA has in fact rigged radiation monitoring equipment to report lower values of radiation.


This could indeed be the smoking gun that the EPA did not want to come to public scrutiny.

Read on.


RadNet – the EPA’s front-line, radiological detection network is severely flawed and suffers from maintenance and reliability issues.

The lack of consistent data and the number of units offline (a techie term for broken) at the time they were most needed shows that the EPA was not prepared for this emergency.

Besides that fact the broken system left us all unprotected; the confusion, apprehension and fear witnessed as people try to wade through the incomplete and inaccurate data online is evidenced by an exchange on the UC Berkely website over this RadNet graph:




The graph shows that this monitoring station was one of the units actually running on  3/11.

The readings were significantly higher prior to 3/11 and drop to a much lower level afterwards.

This is an indication that the units were running in an uncalibrated condition and were adjusted only after the events at Fukushima.


Which, of course, brings up the question:

Who is responsible for assuring that the system is up and running?

The EPA contracted this responsibility to a private company, Environmental Dimensions, Inc.


Environmental Dimensions, Inc (EDI) has provided maintenance for EPA’s RadNet monitoring systems under a sole-source contract which can be viewed at the end of this article. The base amount of the contract is $238,000.00. This does not include materials and travel, which is billed back to the government as needed.

The contract was awarded to what is stated as a “Woman-owned 8(a) Small Disadvantaged Business“.  The disadvantaged woman in this case is EDI company president Patricia S. Bradshaw, former Deputy Under Secretary of Defense appointed by George Bush.


This from the EDI website:


Environmental Dimensions, inc. (EDi), provides quality environmental technical support services to: the Department of Energy (DOE) and its National Laboratories; US Army Corps of Engineers; Bureau of Indian Affairs; National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, and other government and commercial entities across the nation.

EDi is a woman-owned, small disadvantaged business with over 20 years of experience and a proven track record for delivering superior project management and other related technical support services.

Our success is based on our goal to not just meet our client’s expectations, but to exceed them! This is solidified by having a complete understanding of our client’s needs and having the ability to respond to those needs in a timely manner.

We credit our ability to do so through our management’s commitment to recruit and maintain highly qualified staff. EDi is a small business with prime contracting and subcontracting experience. EDi’s professional project managers possess many years of experience delivering superior project management for multi-faceted projects.

Over our many years of doing business, we have amassed a strong reputation for on-time delivery in the following areas of expertise:

• Program Development
• Project Management
• Waste Management
• Radiological Support Services
• Site/Facility Characterization
• Decontamination & Decommissioning
• Beryllium Support Services
• Maintenance and Operations
• Instrument Rental, Calibration, and Repair
• Other Technical Support Services

Could it possibly be that the corporate management at EDI formed the company not out of an altruistic sense of patriotic duty but to cash in on inside information and connections?

Who would think that the ONLY company entrusted to monitor radiation in the United States would also have the time and manpower to be involved in so many other operations.

Continuing along this line of thinking, here is some more information on their website today.

This project overview states that there are 80 monitors nationwide, not the 140 that EDi portends to have but refuses to release a concise list of. One might wonder if the "government-furnished equipment" is referencing the actual monitors themselves.



RadNet Overview

RadNet is a national network of monitoring stations that regularly collect air, precipitation, drinking water, and milk samples for analysis of radioactivity. The network has been operating continuously since 1973 and has been used to track environmental releases of radioactivity from nuclear weapons tests and nuclear accidents and to document the status and trends of environmental radioactivity. Data collected by RadNet and more detailed information on the RadNet system can be found at www.epa.gov...  Another source of RadNet data, including a searchable database, is www.epa.gov...

Air Monitoring
The RadNet CDX Web site focuses on air monitoring.  Air monitoring stations are sited throughout the United States, designed to detect and record various types of airborne radiation. RadNet has been upgraded to provide near real-time monitoring, and EPA continues to expand the network each year. 
The RadNet air network uses two different types of monitors: fixed (stationary) and deployable (mobile).

1. Fixed Air Monitors: Permanently mounted and continuously operating, each fixed monitor contains a high-volume air sampler, gamma and beta radiation detectors, and a computer that controls the monitor and sends data to a central database at least once an hour. The individual detectors within each monitor can discriminate between different types of radiation, including those that are naturally occurring. See the left side of Figure 1.

2. Deployable Air Monitors: Deployable monitors are portable and can be used for exercises and for rapid deployment in response to real events.  The monitors have high- and low-volume air samplers, a gamma radiation level monitor, a data logger, and telecommunication systems that send data to the central database.  Although deployable monitors do not discriminate the energy of gamma radiation, they do provide gamma exposure rates. See the right side of Figure 1.





Figure 1: Fixed (top) and Deployable (bottom) Monitors



Understanding the Data from the Fixed Monitors
Purpose of RadNet. RadNet is designed to provide information to decision makers and other professionals during radiological emergencies. During normal times, RadNet establishes and verifies background levels of radiation and documents any changes that might occur.

What Radiation Is Detected
RadNet fixed air monitors record gamma radiation from both natural and man-made gamma-emitting sources on the ground and in the air. Many forms of natural radiation – such as cosmic radiation and radon gas – fluctuate throughout the day in response to changing weather conditions. These daily and hourly fluctuations in radiation levels are normal.

Specific Radionuclide Detection
Although there are many radionuclides, each radionuclide emits unique radiations (energy), which can be used like a fingerprint to identify it. By studying the radiation energy spectrum, experts can discern which radionuclides are present around a monitor.

To make the identification process more efficient, RadNet organizes the gamma energy spectrum into ten contiguous ranges, termed Regions of Interest (ROIs). The fixed monitors report total gamma detections (counts) within each ROI. By tracking the long-term changes of values within each ROI at each monitor, one can roughly determine the increase or decrease of radionuclides at a specific location. These fluctuations may be routine, or they may indicate an abnormality. To precisely identify radionuclides, scientists at NAREL download the entire spectrum and analyze it using additional software. This feature is not available on the CDX Web site.

Data for Most Users. For most users of the RadNet CDX Web site, comparing radiation values from one ROI of one monitor over time will provide the most useful information. Such data will track the long-term fluctuations within a specific energy range at a single location. Comparing values between different locations will not provide useful information – because each reading depends heavily on the natural radioactivity present in each location.

Similarly, comparing the count totals within one ROI to the count totals in another ROI at the same location will not provide useful information; each ROI associates with a specific gamma energy range, and little can be understood by comparing the aggregate total of one range to that of another.

Understanding the Data from the Deployable Monitors
As stated above, radiation levels routinely fluctuate from hour-to-hour and day-to-day. The deployable monitor provides the overall gamma radiation level near the monitor. These levels are expected to vary as they do for the fixed monitors. Typical fluctuations can cause the overall gamma radiation level near a deployable monitor to change by a factor of two or even more.


Let's take a look at who is associated with this enterprise. It might be interesting to back-track these individuals... just saying.

John Rodell - Chief Operating Officer
Chris Edgmon - Project Manager
Tim Lee - Project Manager
Ross Dimmick - Project Manager
and, of course, Patricia S. Bradshaw, former Deputy Under Secretary of Defense

Did Mrs. Bradshaw’s former DOD employment open the door?

Did the fact that she heads a woman-owned business give her company a competitive edge?

Is it possible that is a deliberate attempt to keep the truth from we, the people?


EDI’s revenues have doubled in each of the past three years and they currently have 90 employees spread across offices in Albuquerque, Denver and Oak Ridge.
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And there are only 140 (?) monitors for all 50 states and possessions?

Now that they are checking the monitors every three months, what are these employees doing to earn their keep?

Does this situation pass the smell test?

This same company also performs radioactive waste remediation and decontamination services for a number of government-funded projects.

Do they follow the same cost-cutting, profit-maximizing philosophy as it appears that their maintenance and calibration division practices?

Updating Japan’s Nuclear Disaster

Japan’s March 11 earthquake/tsunami-caused nuclear disaster affects millions of people regionally and throughout the Northern Hemisphere. But you’d never know it from most major media reports, downplaying an unfolding catastrophe.

However, there nevertheless exists the radiation wafting across the world on a daily basis. The situation has not improved any from day one. We should all endeavor to be aware of the dangers of even "small" amounts of radiation.


"Other toxins aside, no amount of radiation is safe." In her book Nuclear Madness, Helen Caldicott explained:
“Lower doses of radiation can cause abnormalities of the immune system and can also cause leukemia five to ten years after exposure; (other) cancer(s), twelve to sixty years later; and genetic diseases and congenital anomalies in future generations.”

“Radioactive iodine releases from Japan’s Fukushima Daiichi reactors may exceed those of Three Mile Island by over 100,000 times….While Chernobyl had one source of radioactivity, its reactor, there are seven leaking radiation sources at the Japanese site. Together, the three damaged reactors and four spent fuel pools at Fukushima Daiicho contain (much) more long-lived radioactivity, notably cesium-137, than the Chernobyl reactor.”

Moreover, all radiation, especially large amounts, is harmful, cumulative, permanent and unforgiving.

“The radioactive (iodine-131) fallout is now as much as 73 percent of the daily radiation emitted from Chernobyl following its meltdown disaster.” For cesium-137, it’s 60%.

“I hate to say it, but I am pessimistic….We have to think of all six (reactors) going down, and the possibility of that happening is not low.”
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To be continued...

In Peace, Love & Light

tfw



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 09:02 PM
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I believe your position is simply to slow the process down a bit. Spread confusion, increase doubt, possibly try to bait people into assassinating their own characters.

It's quite an interesting position to have on a topic actually. Very interesting.

 


I thought that was what other people are doing. Posting incomplete or dubious information. Sensationalizing or fear mongering. I have only rebutted claims or picked out vague claims in this thread. I have taken no position and I have not offered my position on the crisis in Japan.




I wonder why someone would do that? HMMMM....


Please, do tell what you ponder.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 09:13 PM
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It seems you have put a lot of time into the issue. My suggestions are:


We flash back to 28 April (seems like an eternity ago) to remind us that in three days from this date, the EPA will discontinue monitoring for radiation on a daily basis in favor of every three months.


Get data from the EPA website, or get official documents that highlight the changes they have made to policy and compile them.

Also, discount Natural News. Unless they offer sources that you can look into. Stay away from blogs and alternative media sites unless it is just to develop leads.

Also, if you are planning on spending a lot of time on the subject. Try and collect as much gov data as possible and compare it to past, and present.

Compile a very large block of data from Chernobyl documents (Tons out there) and compare them to Japan data as it is being released. If you are good at math you may also be able to cross reference things that come out of Japan that will or will not add up with Chernobyl data. ex: Chernobyl lists more radiation with less damage, (Implying Japan is fudging numbers) etc. etc. -This would be most useful as a benchmark numbers after effects from Japan disaster build up over time.

Not sure how clear my post is but continue your stuff. You are making a great effort. I just think you need to scrutinize more.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 09:16 PM
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Which, of course, brings up the question:

Who is responsible for assuring that the system is up and running?

The EPA contracted this responsibility to a private company, Environmental Dimensions, Inc.


 


This is my favorite part of your post by the way.

I don't have time at the moment to look into it but if the graph is accurate it looks like a good lead. I do think maybe you can present it better though, without so much innuendo. Sometimes subtlety has effect.
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posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 09:32 PM
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Originally posted by boncho

I thought that was what other people are doing. Posting incomplete or dubious information. Sensationalizing or fear mongering. I have only rebutted claims or picked out vague claims in this thread. I have taken no position and I have not offered my position on the crisis in Japan.
(...)


Greetings:

OK. Let's review recent history.


19 May 2011
At this time, there is no public health threat in the U.S. related to radiation exposure. FDA, together with other agencies, is carefully monitoring any possibility for distribution of radiation to the United States.

At this time, theoretical models [color=limegreen]do not indicate that significant amounts of radiation will reach the U.S. coast or affect U.S. fishing waters.
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... who can say that and keep a straight face?

This little tidbit from two months ago:


23 April 2011
Japan Nuclear Iodine Radiation In San Francisco Milk Over 2600% Above EPA Drinking Water Limit
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And this from two months after the main event:


10 May 2011
Hawaii Farmers Treating Milk With Boron After Finding Radiation 2400 Times Above Safe Levels

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This was only a week after the EPA stopped Fukushima nuclear radiation tests on milk, drinking water and rainwater, saying the levels of radiation were constantly dropping and posed no health risks.


EPA officials, however, [color=limegreen]refused to answer questions or make staff members available to explain the exact location and number of monitors, or the levels of radiation, if any, being recorded at existing monitors in California.

Margot Perez-Sullivan, a spokeswoman at the EPA’s regional headquarters in San Francisco, said the agency’s written statement would stand on its own.

IMHO, these people theoretically work for we, the people, and this type of behavior should not be tolerated!

Where are those people that actually are aware (and care)?

From the lackluster response to many threads dealing with this subject, one might surmise that there are not enough of us - or that we are not connecting in a collective voice to shout from the rooftops:

America's Being Nuked - Can we Together Stop the Madness?


In the unlikely scenario that pollutants could affect fish that have traveled to the U.S., FDA will work with the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) to test seafood caught in those areas. Together, FDA and NOAA will also inspect facilities that process and sell seafood from those areas.


The FDA has claimed that there is no need to test Pacific fish for Japan nuclear radiation reports the Anchorage Daily News but when drilled on details by the reporter, the FDA [color=limegreen]refused to answer questions and gave the reporter the run-around.

The FDA says there will be no testing of fish until NOAA testing finds cause for alarm but NOAA [color=limegreen]refuses to answer questions on what kind of monitoring has been done.
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25 April 2011
New EPA Radiation Tests Show Cesium in California Rainwater at Highest Level Since Crisis Began
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3 May 2011
Hot Radioactive Particles in Seattle at 50% of Levels Seen in Tokyo
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OK... 50% of what?

Are we, the people, to be the least bit alarmed? Do the EPA and FDA have the best interests of the American people at the forefront of decision-making? Are we really screwed? Does anyone read this? Does anyone really care?


On CNN Arnie was asked, “So should people on the West Coast be worried?

Gundersen side-stepped just a bit saying, “Well, the average person breathes in about 10 cubic meters a day, and the filters out there for April show that they were breathing in, per day, about five particles.

It only takes one of these particles to trigger a cancer.

Now these are charged, which is why we call them ‘fuel fleas’ since they latch onto lung tissue. [color=limegreen]We’re at a point now where you just can’t run from the particles that are still in the air. We call them ‘fuel fleas’ also because they’re incredibly small, smaller than the thickness of your hair.”
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Interesting. As we write this, David Morrison (NASA mouthpiece) is in the History Channel talking about ELE's - specifically doomsday asteroids (1,100 1 kilometer or larger). 6,000 to one odds. (More on this buffoon in Cometgate2).

Space Guard Survey promoted heavily as a "... not to worry, feel good" piece. (Bangs head on desk and reaches for Vice-Grips).

But we digress. Meanwhile, back at the ranch:


3 April 2011
140,000 Times More Iodine-131 Released at Fukushima Than Three Mile Island… Using March 22 Estimates
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3 May 2011
Radiation In US Food Will Be Nationwide Problem, Not Just Regional, From Fukushima Nuclear Radioactive Fallout
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3 June 2011
5.77 microsieverts per hour of radiation measured near Tokyo at ground level — Government “is desperately trying to keep it quiet...”
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And from our friend Alexander Higgins:

U.S. Radiation Map

Updated With Real Time EPA RadNet Japan Nuclear Radiation Monitoring For Every Major City In America On A Single Page

In Peace, Love & Light

tfw



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 09:48 PM
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Originally posted by boncho
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It seems you have put a lot of time into the issue. My suggestions are:


We flash back to 28 April (seems like an eternity ago) to remind us that in three days from this date, the EPA will discontinue monitoring for radiation on a daily basis in favor of every three months.


Get data from the EPA website, or get official documents that highlight the changes they have made to policy and compile them.

Also, discount Natural News. Unless they offer sources that you can look into. Stay away from blogs and alternative media sites unless it is just to develop leads.

Also, if you are planning on spending a lot of time on the subject. Try and collect as much gov data as possible and compare it to past, and present.

Compile a very large block of data from Chernobyl documents (Tons out there) and compare them to Japan data as it is being released. If you are good at math you may also be able to cross reference things that come out of Japan that will or will not add up with Chernobyl data. ex: Chernobyl lists more radiation with less damage, [color=limegreen](Implying Japan is fudging numbers) etc. etc. -This would be most useful as a benchmark numbers after effects from Japan disaster build up over time.

Not sure how clear my post is but continue your stuff. You are making a great effort. I just think you need to scrutinize more.


Greetings:

Thank you for your kind words and the pointers - they certainly will be taken under advisement.

Your post is clear, however, you continue to dodge real issues and questions.

TEPCO and the JapGov have been caught in prevarications from the very beginning - we were not implying but rather pointing out facts.

How about responding to this math?

For your consideration:


For the first two days after the accident, the wind blew east from Fukushima towards monitoring stations on the US west coast; on the third day it blew south-west over the Japanese monitoring station at Takasaki, then swung east again. Each day, readings for iodine-131 at Sacramento in California, or at Takasaki, both suggested the same amount of iodine was coming out of Fukushima, says Wotawa: 1.2 to 1.3 × 10 to the 17th becquerels per day.
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In the 10 days it burned, Chernobyl put out 1.76 × 10 to the 18th becquerels of iodine-131, which amounts to only 50 per cent more per day than has been calculated for Fukushima Daiichi. It is not yet clear how long emissions from the Japanese plant will continue.


11 March to 20 June = 70 days.

50% more per day means that Chernobyl put out twice as much Iodine-131 per day than has been calculated for Fukushima Daiichi - but only for 10 days.

Let's take the lower estimate of 1.2 x 10 to the 17th becquerels per day x 70 days:

If our figures are correct, that means that Fukushima Daiichi has already spewed forth
350% as much Iodine-131 as Chernobyl.

And it is still spewing continuously - [color=limegreen]24 hours a day - with no end in sight - contaminating all the foodstuffs in the fields in North America.


Similarly, says Wotawa, caesium-137 emissions are on the same order of magnitude as at Chernobyl. The Sacramento readings suggest it has emitted 5 × 10 to the 15th becquerels of caesium-137 per day; Chernobyl put out 8.5 × 10 to the 16th in total – around 70 per cent more per day.
New Scientist


5 × 10 to the 15th becquerels of caesium-137 per day x 70 days:

If our figures are correct, we conclude that Fukushima Daiichi has already spewed forth about 500% as much Cesium-137 as Chernobyl.

And it is still spewing continuously - [color=limegreen]24 hours a day - with no end in sight - contaminating all the foodstuffs in the fields in North America.

This cannot bode well for the inhabitants of Planet Earth.

To be continued...

In Peace, Love & Light

tfw



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 06:41 PM
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I want to thank you for all of your research added to the thread!



posted on Jun, 24 2011 @ 06:53 PM
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Thanks for the reply. I would like to crunch the numbers with you, unfortunately my math skills are weak, and the amount of time it consumes is not feasible right now. (I will not endorse or reject your findings yet)

Keep continuing with your research though because it is apparent you are making a valiant effort. I only stress, that you go through sources and make conclusions that are impossible to be disproved.

That way, some actual information can get out about Japan, along with you and the other people who are continuing to keep a close eye on the situation.



posted on Jun, 26 2011 @ 08:51 PM
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More specifically on hot particles on this thread:


How many hot particles are you breathing in a day?



posted on Jul, 2 2011 @ 08:05 PM
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My family and friends think I'm a little bit off my rocker because I am so concerned about this event in Japan. They tell me to keep it to myself, they don't want to hear about it. I've come to the conclusion that most people do not understand what radiation is or what it can do to people, animals, food, air, water. When I talk about it they get this glazed over expression on their faces. I am not a scientist but I do get it and it's not a pretty picture.
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posted on Oct, 11 2011 @ 08:02 PM
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Greetings:

Meanwhile, back to the Fukushima World-Killer Nuke Meltdowns and the [color=limegreen]continuing radiation poising of our land, food and children - 24/7/365.

zorgon, what is your take on this?


Well, I spent three weeks following that Fukushima story doggedly... then in the end I found out three things...

1) Except for a handful of people and those that live in the area... NO ONE CARES...

2) We are still here... 1000's of nuke tests (especially near my home town) medical radiation, space radiation, CME's, cell tower radiation, microwave radiation... etc etc.. and we are STILL HERE.. and world population is increasing exponentially

3) Radiation is good for you


Greetings:

Thank you for your insightful and timely response.

1) We have been attempting to sound the alarm in the many nuke-related threads in our signature, and have come to the same conclusion: NO ONE CARES...

However, having spent the last six weeks on the road in the Hurricane Irene-ravaged areas of North Carolina, we were amazed - no, dumfounded - that [color=limegreen]NOT ONE PERSON we spoke with (including fellow First Responder Volunteer Firepersons) had any clue about Fukushima 24/7/365.

The Captain of the local department said that "there is no problem, or the USGOV/EPA would alert us, and it would be on television, right? (!???!)

Revised Conclusion: The people have been denied the basic information to make informed decisions as to how best "handle" the radiation poisoning nightmare.

2) Never thought that you would not be (there) "here" - after all, who would want to leave that pool? And whatever happens in "here" (there) stays in "here," (there), right mate?

3) You and Ann Coulter make such a great pair...

Glad to be back.

As we have been attempting to bring to light for over six months (!), there exists a world-wide conspiracy in the MSM to deprive the public of the facts regarding the dire consequences of the melt-throughs of the nuclear reactors at Fukushima-Daiichi.

Please listen up, people.

Your life and the lives of your loved ones may very well depend on your access to and use thereof of potentially life-saving information being kept from you by the EPA/USGOV.

The total number of days between Friday, March 11th, 2011 and Tuesday, October 11th, 2011 is 214 days.

The radiation poisoning of our people, food and land has continued unabated - 24/7/365 - for exactly 7 months.

For your edification and enjoyment (bewilderment), a few 'notable' stories that seemed to miss mass circulation and perhaps a peek at what might have been missed on the 6:00 o'clock news...:

Three days into the disaster, this FOR EYES ONLY memo circulated at the NRC.

14 March 2011
NRC ONLY Update – All 3 Reactor Cores Likely Damaged

15 March 2011
Fukushima Daiichi Units Degrading – Zirconium Fire at Reactor 4 SFP – Reactor 2 Possible Reactor Vessel Breach & Ex-Vessel Core Reaction

My goodness gracious! And we thought they (TEPCO/JAPGOV) said they had this "stabilized..." and presumably under control...

At least, that is what they (and the EPA/USGOV) would have you believe.

Fast-forward about six months to more headlines you may have missed in your local media:

21 August 2011
Fukushima Officials Worry New Discovery of Radioactive Beef Will Harm Reputation More After Farmer Confirms Cattle Not Fed Contaminated Rice Straw


21 August 2011
4,000 Potentially Radioactive Cows Without Radioactive Rice Hay May Have Been Shipped from One Farm in Namie-Machi, Fukushima

29 August 2011
Why the Fukushima Disaster Is Worse Than Chernobyl

31 August 2011
France Releases Map of Cesium-137 Deposition Across the Pacific – Shows the US More Contaminated Than Western Japan



[color=limegreen]Will this insanity ever end?


In Peace, Love & Light

tfw



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