Originally posted by Nygdan
As far as considering multiple flood myths, it would be expected that since flooding occurs normally, without the influence of asteroids, that
different cultures would have these myths.
True, but your really have to read the various flood myths for your self, and you will see that the similarities are pretty astounding. Most of the
stories leave only one family that survives the flood to carry on humanity.
Originally posted by Nygdan
I have never heard of any meteor impact in the med. that caused flooding like that described. In addition, the flood myths do not mention tidal waves
but profuse rain.
Here is a link to a site that I found on a quick search that shows the possible meteor crater:
Also while I mentioned the movie Deep Impact in my last post, for brevity sake, in reality they have found that in an impact, rather then ONE large
wave such as the movie, it would be a series of increasingly large wave that would wash ashore, increasing in height, and distance they would cover
inland. There is no other scientific way to cover the Earth entirely with water, there is not enough even with the poles fully melted.
Originally posted by Nygdan
And as far as 'Masonic' legends, how did they get access to them? And why would the freemasons have any legends that are particularly trustworthy,
since they've only been around since relatively recent times?
At least one of the Authors of the book was a mason. If you look at the Masonic legends, which are not to tough to find, even if you are not a mason
yourself, you will see that the masons believe their origins date back to the first Artificer, Tubal-Cain, that is mentioned in the 5th chapter of
Genesis. At least one of their rites is directly related to the psudopigraphal book of Enoch. Here is a quote and link that I just found relating to
Enoch and Freemasonry
Both York Rite masonry and Scottish Rite masonry have degrees based on what is referred to as the great Masonic Legend of Enoch. These degrees were no
doubt fabricated by Andrew Michael Ramsay (the Chevalier Ramsay) sometime in the early eighteenth century. Chevalier Ramsay was a Jacobite supporter
having come to their cause while a tutor of James III's two sons. He had also traveled extensively on the continent and lived for some time in France
where he became a Freemason and was Grand Chancellor of the Grand Lodge of Paris. Based on his literary reputation the University of Oxford conferred
on him the degree of Doctor of Civil Law. Ramsay's idea of Freemasonry excluded any operative connection. He saw its roots in the noble and chivalric
orders and based on the military prowess and religious enthusiasm of knighthood. He no doubt encountered the Enoch legend in his continental travels.4
While he may have fabricated the degrees he did not fabricate the Enoch Legend as the following discussion will illustrate.
What has been called the great Masonic Legend of Enoch runs to this effect:
Enoch being inspired by the Most High, and in commemoration of a wonderful vision, build a temple underground, and dedicated it to God His son,
Methuselah, constructed the building; although he was not acquainted with his father's motives for the erection. This temple consisted of nine brick
vaults, situated perpendicularly beneath each other and communicating by apertures left in the arch of each vault.
Enoch then caused a triangular plate of gold to be made, each side of which was a cubit long; he enriched it with the most precious stones, and
encrusted the plate upon a stone of agate of the same form. On the grave he engraved, in effable characters, the true name of Deity, and, placing it
on a cubical pedestal of white marble, he deposited the whole within the deepest arch.
When this subterranean building was completed, he made a door of stone, and attaching it to a ring of iron, by which it might occasionally be raised,
he placed it over the opening of the uppermost arch, and so covered it over that the aperture could not be discovered, Enoch himself was permitted to
enter it but once a year; and on the death of Enoch, Methuselah, and Lamech, and the destruction of the world by the deluge, all knowledge of
his temple, and of the sacred treasure which it contained, was lost until, in after times, it was accidentally discovered by another worthy of
Freemasonry, who, like Enoch, was engaged in the erection of a temple on the same spot.5
The origin of this legend remains obscure with no known reliable reference alluding to its source. Within Freemasonry it is regarded as traditional
and is accepted for what it is a legend. There is however a widely quoted fourteenth century article by Nicephori Callisti6 that would appear to lend
support to the veracity of the legend. This article is preceded by an even earlier, essentially identical, ninth century article in the "Epitome of
the Ecclesiastical History compiled by Photius. Both of these articles are based on the writings of Julius the Apostate (C.E. 332 363) who apparently
attempted to rebuild the temple of Jerusalem. Julius restored paganism and declared a form of religious freedom. As a result of this heresy some
Christian authors promoted the writings of Julius as fabrications and totally fantastic. Such a position would make both accounts suspect and of
little use as corroborative evidence. In all likelihood, the authors were aware of Julius' apostasy and nevertheless accepted the story. Further
study is required.
The freemasons, studied much of the ancient writings, at the vary least to make these ceremonies up. Much of this psudopigraphial writing can be found
at this site:
You will find many of the ancient stories here, whether Hebrew, Sumerian, or Babylonian have many common factors, and can actually add to your
understanding of some Biblical issues. For instance, you can find by reading some of these documents that the reason that God was upset about the
tower of Babel, was because man built it so they could not be destroyed by anther flood.
You can also find additional info on some of these things in the writings of Flavius Josephus, here:
Hope this helps…