Libyan's Leader Gaddafi calls NATO 'murderers' for their accidental killing of civilians.

reply to post by Paulioetc15
Exactly! And that's why we'll be intervening in Syria and Yemen; that's why we've put a stop to the horrors that have been going on in the Sudan for the best part of a decade; it's why we've...etc, etc, etc (I'm sure you get the point).

reply to post by Robert Reynolds


Syria never asked us for help but what i do remember that Obama continued the drone strikes in Al-Qaeda in Yemen. I don't know about that.

Originally posted by Paulioetc15
reply to post by Danbones

 

sroy dude, cannot talk to a anti-west person like yourself. It takes time and argument. Go join with Gadahfi forces and NATO will hunt you down. Good day.

edit on 23-6-2011 by Paulioetc15 because: (no reason given)

Since you talk BIG why dont you join the NATO then? or the terrorist forces i am sure the rebels will love to have you on there side as a disnfo agent.

reply to post by Agent_USA_Supporter


I had more better life than you do pal. I'm not talking about that, it's just that people gloating about Gadhfi being all saint when in fact he's not.

reply to post by Paulioetc15


I hadn't seen the video you put up before and found it utterly distressing.

I would ask you though if you know whether Gadaffi put his soldiers and civilians up to this kind of act or, do you think that where law breaks down certain men think they can get away with this kind of behaviour and it could happen anywhere in the world.

Its also possible in a sexually repressed country with strong laws against this behaviour you are more likely to find men will grab the opportunity if they think they can get away with it. Culturally the attitude sucks simply because its the men's families who should bear the shame not the woman's where compassion should rule.

Originally posted by Lynda101
reply to post by Paulioetc15

 

I hadn't seen the video you put up before and found it utterly distressing.

I would ask you though if you know whether Gadaffi put his soldiers and civilians up to this kind of act or, do you think that where law breaks down certain men think they can get away with this kind of behaviour and it could happen anywhere in the world.

Its also possible in a sexually repressed country with strong laws against this behaviour you are more likely to find men will grab the opportunity if they think they can get away with it. Culturally the attitude sucks simply because its the men's families who should bear the shame not the woman's where compassion should rule.

Well right now Gadaffi troops are mostly fighting the rebels instead of civilians. But you cannot deny the fact his troops tried to target civilians on purpose and if you go against them, you get shot. Also many rebels found Gadhfi forces dead body with Viagra. I mean come on, i can't believe that people portray him as a saint. I'm mean i don't support NATO but this is sick.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


No more than you do, but if you think that the USA has some $30 billion of his money seized and its estimated that 100s billion of dosh is lying in Tripoli he has held his money where you would expect him to have it. eg not disappeared into Swiss Bank Accounts like many despots who usually have also actually grabbed the foreign aid.

If you read the post by Vanishir you will get better idea of what libya was like before the Western hobnail and arms landed on their shore. If you look at Iraq after the hobnailers visitation, they still haven't got their full electricity grid up and running yet. A visit from the West and the USA is very much to be missed.

I'm no fan of Gadaffi's but I remember seeing odd bits of news about him in his younger days opening nurseries, hospitals and in the UK we have never had a flood of Libyan immigrants fleeing in, as we have from other countries.
I know my Government want him gone but I don't know whether in truth he deserves it or its just a policy to re-arrange the ME to some unknown agenda but I know something is dodgy here.

reply to post by Lynda101


And again, I am not questioning the legitimacy of the reports that gadaffi has done numerous nice things for certain aspects of his population. What I am contesting is that this somehow absolves him of the many crimes committed under his direct rule.

Some seem to find themselves siding with Gaddaffi when being critical of this NATO action. Pretending his rule was beneficial for a majority of Libyans over the past four decades is part of that glossing over of an extensive history of atrocities.

Originally posted by Danbones
funny that miltary targets nenxt to civilians bit,....

haha I live in a town where the local munitions factory which is the center of town is famous for being on everybodies BOMB FIRST list..
here in CANADA..

Ha! Well, I guess it just sucks balls to be you, huh? But I bet the real estate values rock.

Originally posted by Danbones
try taking down the points already presented..
nope can't do that....they have already been referenced here countlesss times already


names with NUMBers in eh yep we are beginning to see what thats all about...
shhhhhh
your going to wreck it for thr rest of them

Please, for the love of Dog, spell check yourself before you wreck yourself.

N.ow
A.nother
T.errorist
O.rganisation.

NATO hasn't accidentally killed innocent lives, they have deliberately killed innocent civilians, to try to provoke Gaddafi's into a fight.
There are no innocent lives when it comes to NATO
We are all expendable in NATO's eyes.

Originally posted by incrediblelousminds

Originally posted by Vanishr


If you guys were to do some research, Gaddaffi, Gave alot back to his people, They all benefitted from the oil fields, they were nationalized, not a corporate entity. The standard of living was higher than that of the US and most western countries. All young couples getting married recieved a cash sum, all new business owners recieved a one time cash sum to help them get going.

That isn't true. SOME people with direction connections to his family and regime received access to the wealth he accumulated as a brutal dictator for decades. Many more without those connections did not.

Anyone trying to gloss over Gadaffi's brutal record of fear, murder and intimidation is pathetic.

edit on 23-6-2011 by incrediblelousminds because: (no reason given)

So whats the plan? Dispose of Gadaffi and install a pro-western dictator?
He's being a hypocrite by calling them murderers, but it doesn't change the fact that they indeed did murder innocents does it.

Propaganda is sickening, but what's more sickening is when people actually believe it.. Got to love those super accurate pin-point humanitarian bombs.. I wonder, how does bombing civilians enforce a no-fly zone?

Originally posted by MareBellator

He's being a hypocrite by calling them murderers, but it doesn't change the fact that they indeed did murder innocents does it.

Nope. But it makes those trying to apologize for Gaddafi's own murderous actions look kinda pathetic.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


Good to see you got my point, I hope you didn't include me in that list of apologetics. I just don't get why you're saying Gadaffi is a bad guy and a murderer too since thats pretty much common knowledge.

Originally posted by MareBellator
I just don't get why you're saying Gadaffi is a bad guy and a murderer too since thats pretty much common knowledge.

I thought it was too, but when you look at the posts in this and other threads, you have people rejecting all evidence of such as 'western propaganda'.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


Funny because a lot of people say that the Taliban was a good guy but they aren't. I still in my belief that Ghadfi is trying to harm civilians.

reply to post by Paulioetc15

Gadahfi purpose was to kill his own people

I'm sorry, but I have heard that too much on MSM, now I want an explanation.

Let's start with a simple question:
"Who did Qaddafi purposefully kill?"

This will be interesting because it will show whether you have the ability to process information correctly or not and will show whether you can differentiate between war propaganda and actual reports.

Originally posted by Paulioetc15
reply to post by Vanishr

 

and why does Russiatoday even tried to kill journalists that tried for reporting the truthy. In fact, there are wikipedia and that have links to back up. news.bbc.co.uk... this link for example. Now explain that.

Now explain where it says RT did the murder? Please prove that or retract this.

reply to post by incrediblelousminds


What exactly are these crimes you speak ok ? Show us them all, i want a long list with evidence of each one.

Why does Gaddaffi still have so many supporters ? let alone so many women supporters ? if he is raping and shooting innocents ?? Oh Wait....

reply to post by Paulioetc15


Sigh. "it's good when we do it but bad when they do it" nonsense once again.

Look, when you use a bomb or a missile, you are intentionally using a weapon designed to kill a large number of people. When you use these weapons - intentionally, again - in populated areas, you are thus KILLING CIVILIANS INTENTIONALLY.

NATO was targeting these people, by targeting a populated areas with weapons that have a mass effect. There's no way around this. You can't drop bombs and say "oops, we didn't mean to kill THOSE people, just the people they were standing next to" because a bomb does not goddamned work that way.