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having a pretty difficult issue with my neighbors..need advice

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posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 12:15 PM
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and the ass in me would do this.

seems like sound travels and echo's pretty good on your ol' homestead.
so i would get the the biggest speakers i could find, and the most powerful amp
to drive them, for my jeep and my home.
and play this song as often and as loud i could.


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posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 12:17 PM
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I would get some louder guns, and fire away. They are lucky not to live by this guy..



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 12:20 PM
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I would try to arrange a formal meeting to discuss the situation with your neighbor. Call the police and ask them to attend. they will probably agree so they don't have to bother with this any longer. I would also think that the next fake report they get they will arrest this guy anyways. With the police there to reinforce your rights, I would think that you should be able to come to a decent agreement. If not, I would ramp up your shooting, and hope the next neighbor knows what Montana is all about.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 12:41 PM
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Wow man. Canadians have never developed sophistication??
You bunch a whole country together because one idiot moves down there and doesn't know whats legal and whats not.

Heres the first sign he's an idiot....he moved to the USA.

So you guys are so sophisticated and so smart. Yet the USA is the blood sucking TIC of the whole planet and the whole world knows it. Maybe once Canada becomes more sophisticated we can start waging wars around the world and on our own people. Maybe even start up a million reality tv shows or even develop the best bomb for destruction. LOL

Not everyone in the US is an idiot, and same with Canada, Australia or Africa. That was absolutely uncalled for and makes you look very bad.

As for the issue at hand. Ignore him, and deal with police in a nice manner. Eventually he will stop.
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posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 12:47 PM
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If all else fails remember they made a threat of bodily harm to you, so think Homeland Security.

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posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 12:53 PM
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Head to the police station and explain the situation. Tell them its all legal and you have a neighbor that keeps calling and lieing (which is a criminal offense in some cases since it ties up police for a non-call) about you tresspassing. Explain everything you did here. They should attempt to keep a record so they know its a non-call or BS by your neighbor if a call to your property comes up again.

Dont back down, thats your property, and if you are doing things legal than let him keep crying about it. And next time he attempts to threaten you talking about how big his kid is, call the cops. Le the cops memorize your address, at some point they will see the theme going on there.

Once the cops get annoyed, all the guy can do is take you to some civil court. If everything is legal, then he will lose the case. Also, take him to court, get some kind of restraint order to keep him off your property, good to show a cop if they arrive with another call.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 01:01 PM
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A couple of years back we had the same problem with our neighbors. We ended up asking around the neighborhood and turns out he was giving everyone problems for different reasons. I would talk to them and see if they’ve been harassed or if they notice anything strange about him. Either way sounds like the police are on your side which is a plus. Use that to your advantage and next time the guy comes over let him know you would feel better if your friend “Officer John” was there. He might back off. I wouldn’t be confrontational you never know who a person really is.
On another note if he has a problem with a 25 year old home owner he’s off his rocker. Does he realize they have plenty of people much older than that who don’t own homes. Unless of course you’re having raging parties…but it doesn’t sound that way. haha



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 01:05 PM
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Maybe if you give them a little warning before you start shooting. They might be the nervous types that get startled easily.
At 4:30 I would give them and the police a call and let them both know that you are going to be doing a little target practice around 5pm. You might even invite them and there son over for some free shooting lessons. They will probably turn you down, but they won't be able to accuse you of being neighborly.

Notifying the police ahead of time might save you and them a lot of grief.

By all means keep your dignity. You sound like a level headed guy.
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posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 01:13 PM
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Originally posted by beezzer
Meet him with the cops. Have the "three" of you sit down and discuss the issue. When your neighbor sees that YOU are bringing the cops into the picture, maybe he'll let up.


this is the best solution I think.
But if you have the time and or resources, you can pile dirt up on both sides of your range to suppress the noise. I know you shouldn't have to and you don't legally have to, but if you neighbor isn't going to die/move anytime soon, then you are going to have to find some way to live in harmony. Damn, Montana is a mighty big place, it's a shame you had to have a pinhead move right next door.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 01:20 PM
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Originally posted by Thwax
Canadians have never developed sophistication, but you can help him.


what kind of backword # comment is that?

saying we have no sophistication?

what a bigot you are sir!

BOOOO!!
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posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 01:21 PM
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I mow my yard every friday afternoon like clockwork. One day my neighbor came over and told me that he was having a party for his employees at his house and wondered if I wouldn't mind mowing my yard some other time. I coulld have been a Jerk and told him that "This is America! I have a right to mow my yard whenever I want!!!" But I said, "no problem"

When I came home from work on Friday afternoon I found my yard completely mowed and trimmed. He sent his son over to mow my yard Friday morning. Then he invited me over to the party. I brought a couple gallons of my best homemade beer and we had a good afternoon.
This is the way things are supposed to work. Unfortunately, it takes two to tango and if your neighbor wants to be an ass, there is not much you can do about it except to go about your business and ignore him.


(Romans 12:18) 18 If possible, as far as it depends upon YOU, be peaceable with all men.

edit on 6/23/2011 by Sparky63 because: Spelling...always spelling! *&^&%$#%$@



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 01:26 PM
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just to make you aware ...the guy is just being a jerk....not a canadian jerk...just a jerk...

I am from canada and i had thirty acres of land when i was there and i too was able to shoot rifles ON MY LAND without interference from mieghbors...LEGALLY just ask how many of your american friends have ventured into canade for some fine hunting.....heck just look online for the numerous amount of hunting lodges in our great country.

My suggestion would not be to befriend this jerk and you sound like you are being more than reasonable.....I would do as some others have suggested and you go to his house with the police and have them explain to him the laws of the local area....that might be the best form of action....and then if this is explained to him by the officers it will then be on record and WILL be used against him in a court of Law....also it would be helpful to also point out the noise bylaws which would then also help this JERK to understand when it is appropriate to be shooting.

there is also one more thing to point out to this person.....you are not the only one that is shooting weapons in the area and that when he comes onto your land he is in fact trespassing and you might want to put up some signs indicating that trespassers will be prosecuted....or go to the extreme and say tresspasser will be shot.

good luck....and just remember there are jerks in all societies.....yours and mine alike.....his nationality makes no difference.....a jerk is a jerk,,,is a JERK.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 01:35 PM
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Tell that dummy he should have done some research on the area and neighbors before moving in. You live in Montana for christ sake. I can understand your neighbor if you are out past 10pm shooting off all these guns but your not. If his "big" son is so damaged to hear the guns then get him an IPOD or something.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 01:58 PM
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I'd suggest either going over or inviting him over and explaining everything to him. Tell him that it is fully within your rights to shoot your gun on your own property which you are doing safely. If he has a problem with the time you are doing it, offer to shoot at another time (I could understand how irritating the loud booms could be when trying to read or something). Remind him that HE came HERE, not the other way around and it isn't his right or his place to be telling you what you can and can not do. If he wanted to watch deer or whatever he shouldn't have moved to a neighborhood in an area where people have guns and use them.

No need to be rude or anything, but if he doesn't want to work anything out and still wants to be an jacka** about it inform him that you have a phone and know how to call the cops as well. Tell him that you are willing to have him charged with harassment, trespassing, threatening you, etc. Also, him calling the cops and making a false report is a pretty serious charge so you could lump that in as well.

Or you could just keep doing what you're doing and keep living your life. Eventually the cops will either stop responding to his calls or they'll just arrest him for making false reports.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 02:11 PM
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i haev just gotten back from the local police station the only difficulty i had was they had to send me to a diffrent one for the rual officers(should have know its the same with my post office) the officer i had been dealing with was there and he told me he wasent suprised to see me today i told him what had been going on and most of it he was allready aware of they said they heard 22 shots from all around when they were LEAVING my drive way last night so they know its not all me and that im trying to be polite and help full,in there words if he calls us one more time and your not doing anything we are gonna go rigth over there(they wont tell me who is its just that it was the same neighbor) and have a talk with them i have let them photo graph where i shoot and they have walked around my property on previous visits and agree im not breaking laws or being unsafe so there definaly on my side about this and i talked with 2 of my 4 close neighbors as i ran into them checking the mail and they wanan come over and use my shooting set up because they dont have enough land so im more then happy to help them out so the situation is looking up ,i also brougth up the idea of constructing a wall and the officer laughed and said if you want to spend lots of money on an unsightly wall to appease one neighbor whos being an irritant thats my call be he wouldnt reccomend apeasing the neighbor so i dont plan on it i just plan on shooting when i want to but politely during the afternoon and hoping this all gets resolved

ps they did say if he keeps this up or shows up again to call them and they will come out and talk to him and explain the dangerious nature of his claims and the police have agreed for what ever reason they have to come out here they will always call me first and make sure my dog is safe and that im unarmed which to me is a huge help from them so i guess i did move to the right area i just got one bad apple i need to work on first



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 02:13 PM
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Omg.. I cannot believe some of the people here suggesting that you get a silencer for your gun...or that you should shoot at this time instead of that time...etc...

These people move in and start demanding that you don't live the Montana way? I live in Montana... Montana is an outdoor sports state basically. Between hunters, target practice, target games, target tournies, etc..etc... that is what Men and Women here in Montana do.

That's like you going to Canada and then telling your neighbors to stop using the word ey... it hurts your ears...how ridiculous. As any activity in life if you use safety and respect and shoot within our State Laws...there is no problem.

I'm offended by these *people* coming in and starting the # that they have. If you can prove it was the neighbor that called the police and told them someone was on a property that shouldn't be there...the property is empty...that's a fraudulent lie!!! I would sue them in small claims and maybe teach these people that they're not better then any of us...we follow the laws of Montana and not the laws of what offends these people!

I would not have changed the time I shoot as long as it's respectful time of day. 6am Sunday Morning...it's not against the law..but damN it's rude...lol you get my point. lol

I'm sick to death of people acting so entitled... when in reality..their shallow self-righteous assholes. Greed and Entitlement is killing this country.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 02:15 PM
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yeah i asked them if that was an idea they said they will just call me if they hear gun shots and next time they will call me if it was me and because i have been so honest and upfront with them give me the benfit of the dobut so i have to think i got officaly the worlds most polite and Helpfull cops going on here!!

were having a comunity bbq at the bible camp down the street that i guess is open to all neighbors so i hope that helps me meet the rest and if i meet any more angry ones atleast i will be on holy ground so there should be no fighting or drama(if highlander is to be belived)



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 02:16 PM
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any and all ats members who wish to not only come out and use my shooting range but also get a pretty good tour of glaicer national park i got some bear maps for where they usualy den in and you can get some amazing shots if you wait long enough and are safe enough if any of you guys are near kalispell montana send me a u2u if your in the area and maby we can meet up in the real world



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 02:19 PM
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thats acutlay one of the thigns ive liked about the cops so far they told me what i was doing was legal but they made sure to state that they were not gonna advise me on how to go about my legal buisness just keep it legal i decided on my own during the polices first visit just shoot earlyer and not as rapidly i think with my visit to the police stations today that this should be behind me and at the very least after the comuntiy bbq if it ever stops raining here.....



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 02:21 PM
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Big Ego Brad says: "Screw 'em, it's your land, shoot it when YOU need it!"...Ok, lame JG Wentworth joke over...lol

Big Brain Brad says: " Screw 'em, shoot your guns as you normally would all legal like and all. Maybe put up a sign on your driveway or from whatever direction the cops would normally get to you if they were called that says something like "Caution (or Danger) Live Fire Target Practice in Progress" or something. That way, when the cops come they'll get the heads up that you may not hear them due to hearing protection and they probably wont be as startled if you start shooting as they're walking up to you. If anyone asks about the sign say it's so your roommates know you're back there shooting when they come home or something. Also, call the cops before you start shooting as a heads up and tell them that since they've been called before by your neighbor you decided to give them a heads up that he'll probably be calling them soon...lol

Then, if the cops are called on you for shooting (legally) again, when they get there and confirm that they are wasting their time because you are legally doing what you are legally entitled to be doing...legally, then ask them if they would escort you to your neighbor's home and explain to him that you are operating a firearm on YOUR private property which is within all legal parameters and if it IS an offense to call the police without cause they should tell him that too. By doing it this way, you'll know exactly what the police said and he can say whatever stupid line he needs to get off his chest at you while you have back up and everything will be in (or is supposed to be put in) the officer's call report. Plus, depending on how they park their unit when you go there everything should be on videotape from the dash cam (if the local cops have them) and even if its not caught on screen the audio should still be picked up. All that with the police eyewitness testimony would go a long way if you ever do have to go to court. Plus this way, it's the cops making the approach to your neighbor. If you go over unannounced and alone then it may seem (and they could claim) that YOU are trying to escalate the situation (trust me, shyster lawyers will argue that 'til they're blue in the face...)

Also, I would ask the officer's when they respond if you can get a copy of their report, they should give you a "receipt" with the call number of the report and you can request a copy within a week or so (depending on their schedule for writing and filing their duty call reports.) I would also take a trip to the local annex or police station and ask for copies of any records of police calls concerning your property address.

I agree with your Dad, get cameras...lol If it's not too cost prohibitive I would actually do that too. At least two. One looking up your driveway from your house in case the neighbor decides to race down for another "chat" and one looking at your "shooting range" showing both the shooter and what you're shooting at to prove that you're not shooting at his house or unsafely in anyway.

If you can, ask the rest of your (cool) neighbors if they've ever had issues with your (not cool) neighbor. If they have, ask them what kind of issues. If it seems like he's been messing with them too then ask them if they would be willing to write a statement explaining their stories. That way if you ever do have to go to court because of this fool it may not be presentable as evidence but it gives the lawyers (especially YOUR attorney) a good point to argue about bringing them in as character witnesses and if you're not in front of a jury, just a judge, he may take them (the letters) into evidence for his own background on the case.

Lastly, (for now), if your neighbor does decide to take you to court, file a counter-suit requesting a restraining order for him, his wife and his son (since HE threatened YOU with his SON). That way it looks like YOU aren't trying to start any trouble because you never asked for a restraining order before but since he's harassing you enough to take you to court you'd like some protection (in case he gets irate at losing...lol just don't tell the judge that's why you want it...lol) But, if he does come screaming down your driveway to confront you again by all means tell him you're calling the law and then when they arrive press charges on him (harassment, trespassing and assault) and then file for a restraining order immediately.

Obviously the guy's off his rocker but that doesn't mean YOU need to play all nicey-nice and try and be overly accommodating. Keep on doing what you're doing (within the law) and be yourself. No need to go all Rambo/vengeance is mine!...lol but you don't need to be a sissy about it either! (I'm not calling you a sissy, I'm just making a point...lol)

Keep us updated as to how this all unfolds.

--Apex



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