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Where Have All The Planes Gone?

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posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 04:13 PM
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reply to post by Uncinus
 


Well to start their are a ton of spelling mistakes, you might want to fix those as it takes away from your credibility as an intelligent person, especially when the first paragraph starts off with 10 plus blatantly obvious mistakes.

The other thing I found wrong is that in other threads where the poster is from Arizona in the middle of dead heat summer talking about chemtrails over head, you say that what their seeing is persistent contrails caused by moisture and cold air. When they say but its summer and in Arizona, how could there be moisture and cold air ? You say because at 30'000 feet the air is cold and moist, and then you pull out one of the graphs from your wordpress site and say, see its cold up there.

So considering that this is what you have said countless times, why are you now saying there's no trails because of warm weather ? Selective arguments for different users ?

One more question, who the heck takes the time to build a website about something that really shouldn't matter that much to them ? Don't you have some grandkids to visit, a dog to walk, some friends places to go ? A rough calculation based on the number of posts you have made on this subject says that you have actively typed about this subject for over 3400 hrs ......that's messed up. Seriously that's just [snip]

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posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 04:15 PM
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According to the IAA, airplane traffic has increased. www.iaa.ie...
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posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 04:24 PM
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Originally posted by DrunkNinja
reply to post by Uncinus
 


Well to start their are a ton of spelling mistakes, you might want to fix those as it takes away from your credibility as an intelligent person, especially when the first paragraph starts off with 10 plus blatantly obvious mistakes.


10? I could only find four. Still, I agree, I'm a bit lazy in the spelling department. It's never been my strong point.

But I don't think it changes any of the facts, does it?



The other thing I found wrong is that in other threads where the poster is from Arizona in the middle of dead heat summer talking about chemtrails over head, you say that what their seeing is persistent contrails caused by moisture and cold air. When they say but its summer and in Arizona, how could there be moisture and cold air ? You say because at 30'000 feet the air is cold and moist, and then you pull out one of the graphs from your wordpress site and say, see its cold up there.

So considering that this is what you have said countless times, why are you now saying there's no trails because of warm weather ? Selective arguments for different users ?


No it's the same argument. The temperature and humidity at ground level does not directly relate to the temperature above 30,000 feet. In the summer it does get warmer, but it's always cold enough at some altitude.

We get less contrails in the summer (in California) for the same reason we get less rain. It's the weather. The weather is different in different seasons, so it stands to reason that the frequency of contrail days should also vary.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 04:27 PM
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Have a look at sounding data from weather ballooons, they have the temperature by altitude. weather.unisys.com... ew/ua_sound.php?type=no&city=kxmr®ion=se&t=cur&expanddiv=hide_bar This one is from Cape Canaveral, which isn't far from me. The data shows that the conditions aren't conducive for contrails, so you can probably guess what isn't in my sky today.

Or did they just choose to stop spraying?



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 04:27 PM
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The age of a patient dose not really matter just look at phillips they own the patient for VHS CD DVD AND CDR,
We all know how many different types of videos where made by different company's CD players,DVD players all having different workings and parts but each with the patient logo on the front.
The point is that this patient has many different uses and an be modified in many different ways to better suit thoses uses and you can only wonder at how with 70 years the vast improvements made to this design reducing its size and weight, efficiency after all look how far VHS,CD,DVD players improved in a smaller amount of time.
Taking into account the background of the inventor in weather modification would it not follow that his invention would become used in that field?



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 04:31 PM
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No, silver iodide is primarily used (he used dry ice) from flares and burners (he patented an aerosol making apparatus).



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 04:34 PM
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And i would just like to repost this for you
quote:Have you read my last post if so can you explain why there would be a graph on the light scattering effect per unit particle of sulphur and how it is used for cloud seeding because i'm sure that you have posted that silver iodine is used to seed clouds not sulphur?
If sulphur is not used in cloud seeding then how can you make your last statement
quote:Yeah, he has patents for cloud seeding. It isn't a secret, it's only been around for 70 odd years, now.

and if you want to take the stance that he has patients for cloud seeding then why post that when the patient i gave you has nothing to do with cloud seeding?

So no your statement :Sure. But so what. It's just a 70 year old patent for a smoke generator, that you could maybe use for cloud seeding, but then that's been made obsolete by silver iodide techniques.
Shows that you have not been reading my posts properly see my point here



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 04:42 PM
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You are full of it you can't win so you give me that stupid statement with no proof and a stupid little picture meant to belittle me well you asked for proof that the patient was not for cloud seeding as you claimed i gave it to you.
You then asked me to prove that sulphur was a key element in geoengineering programs which i did.
and you come out with your last post i have no more time to waste upon you
you are rude arrogant and unwilling to give the time to look through the information i post for you and then post as if you have.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 04:56 PM
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Yep, I CLOSELY MONITOR the sky EVERY DAY, I take a lot of photos of what's going on, but the geoengineering team haven't been here. A few weeks back they went crazy, completely covering the skies, but now they're on holiday. Nope, none of the BS about weather conditions, the planes are not there, no BS please debunkers.
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posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 05:01 PM
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Contrails are not persistent, chemtrails are.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 05:05 PM
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Originally posted by sdocpublishing
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Contrails are not persistent, chemtrails are.


Gonna have to do better than that. Provide some evidence or science before a debunker hammers you.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 05:06 PM
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So, basically those of us who believe that these are simply contrails and not chemtrails are too stupid to see that "they" are poisoning the very air that they also have to breathe - so "they" are poisoning themselves as well as us? Is it their goal to poison everyone including themselves?


I suppose that "they" have some super top secret antidote that they distribute amongst themselves and their families to protect them from their airborne poisons...


Right - us "debunkers" are the ones not thinking rationally.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 05:12 PM
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Originally posted by FreeSpeaker

Originally posted by sdocpublishing
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Contrails are not persistent, chemtrails are.


Gonna have to do better than that. Provide some evidence or science before a debunker hammers you.


Anyone who wants evidence can start paying attention to the skies, it's all there. Why would the flight paths completely change one day into a criss-cross pattern with chemtrails, then another day there's blue sky with only a few civilian plans going from along a particular line. People aren't falling for this anymore. Do your own research; look at the sky
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posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 05:15 PM
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here is some more research for you if you can be bothered to look 3rd and 4th post down on the link
www.abovetopsecret.com...
the list of patients there is really staggering

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posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 05:21 PM
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I have answered this point before so i will repeat it here for you.
Did you wonder why M.J wore a mask when out in public
If you are in the know you would have the funds to have air purifiers in your homes and workplaces how often do you think these elite go outside.Most rich people get driven everywhere in fancy limos easily modified with an air purifier.
If you know about a threat then you can defend or protect yourself against it.
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posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 05:22 PM
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Originally posted by jameshawkings

Anyone who wants evidence can start paying attention to the skies, it's all there. Why would the flight paths completely change one day into a criss-cross pattern with chemtrails, then another day there's blue sky with only a few civilian plans going from along a particular line. People aren't falling for this anymore. Do your own research; look at the sky
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I do want evidence but what I can't do is claim I can prove the chemtrail theory by watching the sky. I have witnessed strange behaviour myself and have relayed that story here. Many of my questions were answered and some were not. To my satisfaction anyways.

I have taken the time to read up on contrails and if one thing is obvious, its contrail formation and duration completely depends on atmospheric conditions. They can last both for minutes and hours.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 05:28 PM
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Originally posted by adeclerk
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The same amount of planes are flying, I assure you. It's summer, though, and conditions aren't going to be nearly as conducive for contrail formation at all altitudes, in the summer. You don't notice the planes because they aren't leaving those ugly persistent contrails.


BS. They virtually always fly at 30-35000 and it is plenty conducive to "contrails". Remember, according to the debunkers, the moisture comes from the JET ENGINE. And it is ALWAYS freezing at 35000 feel, so you're talking out your @ss. And if there was any ambient moisture THEN THERE WOULD CLOUDS TO BEGIN WITH!

You guys have non-scientific, spewage for everything you can't explain. You have no way to say whether or not there are more or less planes flying over his house, yet you spew it like it's fact. One thing I CAN tell you, is the high-altitude jet routes are NOT random criss-cross patterns. There are plenty of satellite videos with perfect cross hatch patterns made up of chem trails. There ARE NOT jet routes laid out in a cross-hatch patterns. Period. If you really believe that cross-hatch, tic, tac, toe chemtrails are "normal contrails" cause by regular commercial air craft, then you cannot be reasoned with. You are likely also a 9/11 believer as well and I could probable see you your own house. You are more concerned with being right than what IS right. That mentality cannot be reasoned with.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 05:32 PM
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Uncinus touched on all the points that you are complaining that I didn't answer. If you aren't comfortable getting blasted by the burden of proof, don't post irreverant nonsense.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 05:32 PM
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brilliant post if i could add more than one star i would you hit the nail on the head perhaps that will hit home
Be ready for a personnel attack its the norm here when they can debunk the post.



posted on Jun, 23 2011 @ 05:38 PM
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Take a tip from me its never good to hide behind anther member when you've been caught out especially when the member you use has far more credit and respect than you do as it damages his image.
Nothing he has posted has debunked or proven anything i've posted as being false unlike you who has made so many false statements on a subject [i gave you the links to] you didn't even bother to research you are unworthy of my time and its my hope that others here can see just how useless your input really is here

and just for the record you dodged every question i asked you and didn't even manage to raise a question on my sources because there could be no questioning of said sources.
Admit defeat and perhaps we can move on.
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