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posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 05:23 PM
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I do not claim to believe Albert Pike summoned Satan through a ring. I posted a quote in another thread and I regret not having read all the way down. However, I still maintain my belief that Albert Pike was a Satanist.




posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 05:37 PM
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Originally posted by DetectivePerez
I do not claim to believe Albert Pike summoned Satan through a ring. I posted a quote in another thread and I regret not having read all the way down. However, I still maintain my belief that Albert Pike was a Satanist.


DetectivePerez,

Of course everyone may believe what he likes...but the fact is, Pike (who was deeply interested in ALL aspects of religion and esoteric thought) was a very devout Episcopalian.

Regards



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 05:50 PM
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Since I cannot prove to you that Albert Pike was a Satanist and you cannot prove to me that he wasn't isn't it safe to say that we can both agree that he supported the Confederacy? A confederacy that supported the Enslavement of African and Carribean Black people?

A devout Episcopalian would help a group that enslaved people? Really? I challenge his devoutness. Why was he not on the side of the Union during the Civil War?



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 05:59 PM
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Originally posted by DetectivePerez
I do not claim to believe Albert Pike summoned Satan through a ring. I posted a quote in another thread and I regret not having read all the way down. However, I still maintain my belief that Albert Pike was a Satanist.


And just upon what "evidence" do you base this foundless accusation? I'm not talking about the Taxil hoax, I'm talking about real life.

We know that Albert Pike was a member of Christ Episcopal Church in Washington, D.C.

We know that from his writings ("Morals and Dogma", p. 102) that he considered atheism and satanism to be the same thing.

We know that Pike was Provincial Grand Master of the Royal Order of Scotland and Supreme Magus of the Masonic Rosicrucian Society USA, both of these organizations being opened only to Freemasons who are Trinitarian Christians.

We also know that the "Masonic-Satanic" garbage has been debunked by scholars for over a hundred years, but the gullible still often fall for it. Even U.S. News ran an article on it last year in its "Famous Hoaxes" issue.
www.usnews.com...

Fiat Lvx.



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 06:03 PM
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Originally posted by DetectivePerez
Since I cannot prove to you that Albert Pike was a Satanist and you cannot prove to me that he wasn't


Well, maybe he can't prove to you that he wasn't, for the same reason he can't prove it to a stone or a carrot. But ordinary people might look at biographies of Pike, his baptismal certificates, his own writings, his marriage records, etc., etc.



isn't it safe to say that we can both agree that he supported the Confederacy? A confederacy that supported the Enslavement of African and Carribean Black people?


zOMG! He supported a gov't that supported slavery in the late 1800s! How can it be?!?!?!!? You do realise that the Union Gov't also supported wage slavery and indenture agreements which were actually as bad as the southern slavery in some cases, right?

You know, sometimes I wonder what they teach in school in the states if you folks don't even realise that the major question of the civil war was over state sovereignty vs. federal control. I mean, we even learn that UP HERE, for goodness' sake.

I might also note that Albert Pike risked his career in the Confederate Government by publicly speaking out against slavery, and that he was one of the first honourary native chiefs in North America. But of course none of this will mean anything to you, because any explanation that takes more time than a commercial just won't - sink - in!



A devout Episcopalian would help a group that enslaved people? Really? I challenge his devoutness. Why was he not on the side of the Union during the Civil War?


Do you know anything about history AT ALL? The very first Christians were members of a society that enslaved people (it was known as the Roman Empire... you may have heard of it). If you recall, no less a figure than St. Sebastian was a captain in the Roman Imperial Legion, which had quite a hand in enslaving people, I understand.

Why was Pike not on the side of the Union? Several reasons:

1) He believed States should have greater autonomy.
2) He wanted Native Bands to be paid their proper reparations, which the Union Gov't was unwilling to do, but which the Confederate Gov't stated it would do.
3) He LIVED IN THE SOUTH.

Maybe the question you should be asking yourself is why Pike was completely exhonerated after the war, and why the Federal Gov't erected a statue of him in Washington D.C.?



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 06:04 PM
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Originally posted by DetectivePerez
Really? I challenge his devoutness.


Then I suppose you also challenge the devoutness of God, who personally authorized the Israelites to take slaves, at least according to the Bible.

Before you begin slandering a noble man such as Pike, I suggest you do some research. Pike introduced a bill to the Confederate Congress that would outlaw the slave trade, and end domestic slavery entirely within 30 years. Pike had always been opposed to slavery, as his writings make clear.

Fiat Lvx.



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 06:12 PM
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Originally posted by DetectivePerez
Since I cannot prove to you that Albert Pike was a Satanist and you cannot prove to me that he wasn't isn't it safe to say that we can both agree that he supported the Confederacy? A confederacy that supported the Enslavement of African and Carribean Black people?

A devout Episcopalian would help a group that enslaved people? Really? I challenge his devoutness. Why was he not on the side of the Union during the Civil War?


Ok, a historian you clearly are not. Since I do have formal training in that field, may I humbly introduce you to a concept called "presentism."
Presentism is a logical fallacy peculiar to historical studies where the historian judges people from the past by todays standards. Although I agree that slavery is abhorrent, there were plenty of good people who owned slaves. It was an economic necessity (in the south.) At any rate, where do you get off attacking an entire organization over the ALLEGED sympathies of one member?



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 06:41 PM
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AlexKennedy writes:




You know, sometimes I wonder what they teach in school in the states if you folks don't even realise that the major question of the civil war was over state sovereignty vs. federal control. I mean, we even learn that UP HERE, for goodness' sake.


You would not believe the deplorable state of education in the US. Political correctness and marxist revisionists have deluded more than two generations here. When it comes to the Civil War, the Northerners are the worst, but it's creeping into the South, as well. The Blacks in New Orleans have taken to changing the names of all the schools there named after slave owners. That includes the one named after George Washington.

The personal writings of the Founding Fathers are replete with their personal struggles with the glaring inconsistency of slavery in a nation dedicated to legal equality. Many arranged for the emancipation of their slaves in their wills.







[edit on 04/8/9 by GradyPhilpott]



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 08:46 PM
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The only time Albert Pike's name came about was during a week discussion of Nietzche (sp?)



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 09:53 PM
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Well, for a man that does not consider Pike at all, you seem to have an over fascination with falsehoods regarding the man.

He was a stone genius, and revisionist history aside, if you are going to write on any subject, you might want to do a little research on it before you go inserting your foot down your gullet all the way to the shanks, eh?



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 10:49 PM
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DetectivePerez, are you calling Albert Pike a satanist becuase you think his activities are satanic from a christian point of view? Or do you think he was an actual satanist that worshiped satan or believed in the satanist idea of one's self being a god?



posted on Aug, 9 2004 @ 11:55 PM
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So much for your apology. You apologize, and then bascially negate it the next moment.



Joe: Hey Tim, I'm really sorry for eating your children. Really, I see now how wrong that was.

Tim; Hey man, no hard feelings.

Joe: Great. I'm just gonna go inside and have my way with your wife while I spit on the picture of your mother that's hanging on the wall, right beside your 15th century coin collection which I'm going to use as a doorstop.

Tim: Cool.



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 03:01 AM
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Originally posted by Masonic Light

Originally posted by DetectivePerez
Really? I challenge his devoutness.


Then I suppose you also challenge the devoutness of God, who personally authorized the Israelites to take slaves, at least according to the Bible.


what passage was this? Out of the book that was written to interperate the words of GOD. Then was re-written, written again, rewritten and written to suit the re-writers.

What power the re-writters of the book could have by changing a passage and saying GOD told us to do it. God said we were the chosen ones!

History might say GOD said it was okay to take slaves but my spirit tells me otherwise!



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 03:22 AM
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Originally posted by DetectivePerez
I do not claim to believe Albert Pike summoned Satan through a ring. I posted a quote in another thread and I regret not having read all the way down. However, I still maintain my belief that Albert Pike was a Satanist.


Bro you might be on to something but the one thing is this, the mohammud islam muslim camel jockey friends and blood brothers of the masons brought down the satan spirits of evil that year in 622, just as your partners in crime the christians have done so over and over again, guys and oh there are no girls allowed I forgot,,,,, anyhow you dorks can come out the closet and admit but , you'll rather be shown your place in hell rather than admit your dorks, for taking your rites, and guess what while my writer here documents my pieces, so too will the times of ancient step forward and tell of solomans closet workers, who kept good, until they betrayed the secrets of their friends, and sold thier souls to the satan, but hey beware not for the eye of G-D will save you and you will be free men when you enter your resting place, DORKS.........


Why do I despise you kats so much, because your just like your Christian buddies, wierd as it sounds your all just idol worshipping followers, of ancient rites that are nothing like the society of today....



But hey dont F#%K your brethren or ELSE they'll kiss and make it up to you, or wait maybe you can become a priest or better yet you'll get promoted directly to 72 virgin heaven........

Good luck Dorkmasins on you hell bent ending, glad to see you ship finally disappear under the horizon....

Oh there are survivors, who said, I dont see a soul///////////////



posted on Aug, 10 2004 @ 03:41 AM
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This thread is being locked.These issues are being dealt with on another thread.The apology should have been posted there.

JB1



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