Everything I've ever learned in Canadian classes regarding America history made it quite clear than American explorers and settlers at least incited
the hostilities with the natives. Just look at the doctrine of "Manifest Destiny".
1976 Tribe on Papua New Guinea meets white man for the first time. BEST VIDEO IVE SEEN IN A LONG TIM, page 18
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reply posted on 28-7-2011 @ 03:44 AM by TheWalkingFox
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Okay... I've read through a good chunk of this thread and I keep seeing comments like this. Know what it reminds me of?
The notion in the US and Canada that one can't "really" be an Indian unless you're "authentic" - that is, you can't be an Indian if you live off the rez, wear socks, and don't have feathers in your hair.
Basically there's the expectation that we need to freeze-frame our lives in a past time period, as determined by other people so that THEY can enjoy seeing us be "authentic" like a museum peice or something.
"Oh, don't give them nutritious food, better tools, medicine, and a sense of a larger world, you'll just mess up their 'pure' culture!" strikes me as the most selfish, paternalist load of horse crap anyone could ever say. You want them to keep scraping dirt for grubs and dying of malaria because YOU think it's cool that they are so "primitive."
Trust me folks, if people didn't want to have machetes, cell phones, and razors... we wouldn't use them. Just like how if you guys didn't want corn, hygiene, and rhythm, you wouldn't use them. We don't useholy wars, you don't use headhunting... see?
Cultures are not "corrupted." There is no moment of "pristine" - a culture is always growing and changing and interacting with other cultures it meets, trading and discarding and developing ideas, tools, notions, and ways of doing things.
Okay... I've read through a good chunk of this thread and I keep seeing comments like this. Know what it reminds me of?
The notion in the US and Canada that one can't "really" be an Indian unless you're "authentic" - that is, you can't be an Indian if you live off the rez, wear socks, and don't have feathers in your hair.
Basically there's the expectation that we need to freeze-frame our lives in a past time period, as determined by other people so that THEY can enjoy seeing us be "authentic" like a museum peice or something.
"Oh, don't give them nutritious food, better tools, medicine, and a sense of a larger world, you'll just mess up their 'pure' culture!" strikes me as the most selfish, paternalist load of horse crap anyone could ever say. You want them to keep scraping dirt for grubs and dying of malaria because YOU think it's cool that they are so "primitive."
Trust me folks, if people didn't want to have machetes, cell phones, and razors... we wouldn't use them. Just like how if you guys didn't want corn, hygiene, and rhythm, you wouldn't use them. We don't useholy wars, you don't use headhunting... see?
Cultures are not "corrupted." There is no moment of "pristine" - a culture is always growing and changing and interacting with other cultures it meets, trading and discarding and developing ideas, tools, notions, and ways of doing things.
reply posted on 29-7-2011 @ 03:16 PM by 0bserver1
reply to post by TheWalkingFox
I can agree on that part but did it stay with friendly trading back in the old days ? think not , if the Indians had a fair chance of evolving on their own their would be a very spiritual and maybe a significant change in this future and we probably would have learn-th great things we now have lost due to wars with the natives. I know you cant compare this documentary with the native indians, because we live in different times but do you think these people need cellphones and color TV ? you know if they had gold in their village they probably would have died a long time ago.
The notion in the US and Canada that one can't "really" be an Indian unless you're "authentic" - that is, you can't be an Indian if you live off the rez, wear socks, and don't have feathers in your hair.
I can agree on that part but did it stay with friendly trading back in the old days ? think not , if the Indians had a fair chance of evolving on their own their would be a very spiritual and maybe a significant change in this future and we probably would have learn-th great things we now have lost due to wars with the natives. I know you cant compare this documentary with the native indians, because we live in different times but do you think these people need cellphones and color TV ? you know if they had gold in their village they probably would have died a long time ago.
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reply posted on 3-8-2011 @ 05:13 AM by kindred
Lost in translation. A British TV company faked scenes and mistranslated quotes from an Amazonian tribe to make them look 'savage' and
'sex-obsessed', anthropologists claim.
We all know what the media is like in the west, so it wouldn't surprise me if there was some truth to this article, then again it's the Daily Mail who aren't exactly renown for their truth and honesty. Can't find the source, so who do you believe?
Absolutely disgraceful if true, but
what's new, considering we've had to put up with this crap for most of our lives.
www.dailymail.co.uk...
www.guardian.co.uk...
www.mediaite.com...
www.aaanet.org...
We all know what the media is like in the west, so it wouldn't surprise me if there was some truth to this article, then again it's the Daily Mail who aren't exactly renown for their truth and honesty. Can't find the source, so who do you believe?
Absolutely disgraceful if true, but
what's new, considering we've had to put up with this crap for most of our lives. www.dailymail.co.uk...
www.guardian.co.uk...
www.mediaite.com...
www.aaanet.org...
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